I think you've read more into my reply than there is. The person I was responding to mentions the effect modern apiaries have on local ecology. If that is a factor you consider when determining if something is/isn't vegan, that would make many vegetables and plant products also not vegan. Personally, I don't see a big difference between destroying the environment of Oragutans so I can grow Quinoa and shooting that same orangutan or* somehow exploiting said oragutan for profit. I think, ultimately, I wonder if real veganism is even possible under capitalism.