shout out to the lemmy developers for not making us be stuck on the other site

shout out to mastodon devs for making us have a better life than on Twitter

shout out to the pixelfed devs for allowing a actual photography platform to exist

shout out to the peertube devs for helping us not be stuck on youtube until the end of time

ETA: Shout out to the server operators who make the stuff be done

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[+] -10 points 23 hours ago (68 children)

LOL.

You might want to take a closer look at the Lemmy dev before getting too excited.

There was some drama with piefed dev too recently. Seems like loads of fediverse projects are run by weirdos.

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  • [–] 42 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

    Most cool things are the product of weirdos.

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    Fascism and communism are ideologically polar opposites. Horseshoe theory isn't real, and even among liberal academics is seen as a horrendous oversimplification that takes surface level similarities, like having a strong state, and completely glossing over the core, like having the capitalist class in control of the strong state, or the working class.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 23 hours ago (61 children)
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    People are upset when the find out the Lemmy lead devs are like straight up authoritarian communists.

    Mostly Third-Way-Reddit-liberal refugees who don’t realize they’re not progressive just because Fox News calls thier party “radical socialist leftists” constantly, these are the same people screeching that America only votes for leftists for Senate some places because there wasn’t another choice and that what b the country really wanted was moderate Dems.

    Also the Piefed devs; didn’t they get caught hardcoding a block list into Piefed or something? I know there was a lemmy front end that did that (Tesseract; I made the list yay!) but not long after that Piefed got caught doing something similar but I don’t recall exactly what it was; all I remember was that I decided I no longer trust Piefed and I won’t use it. Shit I’ll try and search it and see if I can come up with a better answer

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

    so is MBin or Pylova safe from this controversy

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  • [–] 6 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    Your choice of admin team is much more important than which software platform you use, especially if you use a third-party app like Voyager.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 hours ago

    Third party apps can take advantage of the software platform however. I’ve been testing the PyLova app and it’s got lots of stuff you can’t do in the Lemmy based apps.

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  • [–] 12 points 22 hours ago (1 child)

    Piefed dev for involved in a disagreement about something, made a post explaining how correct they were, and deleted responses from the b other parties involved.

    I don't remember the details but it's not constructive to a healthy community.

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  • [–] 5 points 18 hours ago

    Piefed dev for involved in a disagreement about something, made a post explaining how correct they were, and deleted responses from the b other parties involved.

    I don’t remember the details but it’s not constructive to a healthy community.

    Rimu made a platform to be as hostile as possible those who don't fit his image and bans anyone who questions it. But since he's not the Lemmy devs people here fawn over him as he is worse than anything the lemmy devs have done.

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  • [–] 2 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

    Fortunately, piefed’s controversial feature was a checkbox in the settings that an admin can easily toggle on/off, unlike Tesseract that had a hidden hardcoded list. And as you are probably aware, our .zip admin gives us users the autonomy to block stuff ourselves, so that wasn’t really that big of an issue.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 hours ago*

    That particular part of the PieFed controversy was disproven, yet continually shared as misinformation nonetheless.

    All of that kind of stuff is opt-in by the instance admins, nowhere close to hard-coded. Unlike the Tesseract situation. Also, Lemmy v1.0 will embedd a veto ability such that communities not acknowledged by Lemmy.ml will not be suggested to new instances - though this is opt-out as it can be configured from within the code, so also not hard-coded (though as opt-out rather than opt-in, is much closer to it).

    There are plenty of reasons to not use PieFed, which is quite opinionated software (though Lemmy likewise is somewhat opinionated also, yet on the spectrum perhaps less so overall), but hard-coded blocklists is not one of them. Like Lemmy where people rail against the tankie devs, people just have a hate-on for the PieFed antifa dev, and like to smear the software with unwarranted accusations (weirdly instead of actually valid ones, which do exist, but perhaps those resonate less well somehow?).

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  • [–] -4 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

    Lemmy devs aren't communists, they're state capitalists. The difference is they support the state, and Karl Marx said it's not communism if there's a state.

    Piefed didn't hardcode a blocklist, that was a hoax. There's an auto-federation tool that only admins can use, and it has optional limits on what communities it auto-imports. People took screenshots of that code and lied that it was a blocklist.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 hours ago

    Marx specifically referenced a state in lower-stage communism, which got clarified by later theorists as the socialist stage as transitional between capitalism and communism.

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  • [–] 16 points 23 hours ago* (15 children)

    Well, the lemmy devs are transphobic and the piefed dev Rimu is a bit of a jerk with additional accusations of a censorship list after a huge blowup surrounding a front-end called tesseract. There's other posts about it there during that same time frame.

    It's a big reason I switched to quokka.au as it uses a fork of piefed called PyLova which I find to be stable and good and the developer is way nicer.

    Edit: to be more clear, Tesseract was developed by someone else and that person snuck a secret censorship list into their project. While Rimu's filter was only slightly less problematic, it had a checkbox at least, it was very unclear what it actually did and caused a huge (well deserved) fuss.

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  • [–] 6 points 22 hours ago* (4 children)

    Well if I'm wrong about how that list worked then I apologize but Rimu also supposedly took code from the fork and failed to attribute it until he was called out about that too. It wasn't only the blocking thing that upset me, it was also the code misappropriation and the childish ban spree.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 hours ago

    I'm not convinced that what I said about that checkbox was misinformation. I remember the checkbox situation, I remember thinking it was weird, and I read enough posts from various instances at the time from multiple people that lead me to believe that it wasn't all that great and there was ambiguity about Rimu's motives for including it. Furthermore, his response about it wasn't convincing. So I'm not going to acquise and change my original post. Even in this thread there's no actual agreement on the subject. I understand you are trying to help, but what I said wasn't specifically a lie. Thanks for your comment.

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  • [–] 2 points 18 hours ago

    You aren't wrong, it's gone through many itterations from the initial block. Even now it's still the initial config hidden to users. Hell Grail is even saying it's still there but only idiots would keep it on. (ironic considering it's Rimu's default and piefed.socials setup)

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  • [–] 6 points 22 hours ago* (7 children)

    I've seen the accusation about transphobia before, but never seen a link. In the link you provide there is a lot of talk about transphobia. Some ragebating and people saying one of the devs is a transphobe. But I don't see a dev saying something transphobic in the first 50 posts I read. I am a communist. I left .world for .ml because of them blocking hexbear. I do however also find transphobia highly problematic

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  • [–] 12 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

    There's a screen shot of what Nutomic said in the post I linked.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

    That doesnt't seem transphobic only uninformed and like a shitty analysis

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago*

    It would be one thing if he actually tried to understand why what he said was "controversial" and made a real attempt to apologize instead of throwing up his hands and insisting he didn't want to talk about it anymore.

    This reminds me of the bigoted people that espouse their shitty opinions and then refuse to discuss it further when they realize what they are saying maybe sucks a lot.

    Telling me that ML has trans communities is akin to the racist that says "But I have a friend that's black!"

    In my opininion the developer got upset that his shitty opinions were going to cost them donations and tried to half-ass walk it back.

    I fear you and I will never see eye to eye on this, and that's ok. I won't judge you for your opinion and I thank you for being level headed during this discussion. But sadly I remain unconvinced that the developer actually learned anything from this experience other than being more careful next time to not say things that suck.

    🩷

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  • [–] 16 points 21 hours ago (1 child)

    You can literally see the screenshot where they say being transgender is actually a bourgeoisie conspiracy. Like full on denying trans people’s lived experiences for thousands of years, and in the same breath pretending people like Elon and JK Rowling aren’t pushing transphobia.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 hours ago

    Yeah I've seen the screenshot, it's a lazy take and reeks of lack of knowledge but it doesn't seem transphobic.

    If we are trying to get to a better and more enlightened future, there are a lot of people we do not agree with we have to meet with dialogue instead of judgement.

    I am not talking about forgiving og listening to people like Rowling. I am talking about showing would be comrades a more nuanced way of seeing the world instead of writing them off.

    That road always leads to a smaller and smaller select group that see the true way forward, but having a harder and harder time talking to anyone else. Eventually the group gets so small and isolated it doesn't means anything at all.

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  • [–] 5 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (25 children)

    They're Tankies.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

    You probably want to avoid their instances like lemmy.ml or lemmygrad.ml unless you like to root for the tanks in the Tianamen square massacre.

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  • [–] 6 points 21 hours ago* (3 children)

    Tankie was made by leftists to describe authcoms support for the Soviets after they used tanks on a student protest in Hungary.

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

    this is literal misinformation

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (3 children)

    just duckduckgo it

    1: the word "tankie" was made by reformist communistsm not nazis

    2: you have a million pieces of evidence about the tanks killing normal people

    3: and no, Democracy is a real thing, and capitalism can be regulated with rules (Genius for your chicken strips brain, but not for me), most of the EU is an example

    4: there is no thought in communism, communism is the most vague thing on earth, it cannot pair with democracy since it's so vague

    your odor lingers on

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  • [–] 1 point 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

    the word “tankie” was made by reformist communistsm not nazis

    Answered in the First link, calling the CGRB 'reformist communists' is the same as calling nazis 'reformist socialists' because they have socialist in the name.

    you have a million pieces of evidence about the tanks killing normal people

    No, you don't. In fact, you don't have a single one, because that was never the claim for Tiannamen square. The tanks sheltered the soldiers from gunfire during the rebellion. This is answered in the second link.

    and no, Democracy is a real thing,

    Correct, and all forms of socialism have democracy built in, as socialism is democracy applied to the economy.

    and capitalism can be regulated with rules (Genius for your chicken strips brain, but not for me), most of the EU is an example

    The same EU that uses slave labor for most of its wealth? [1]

    Regulated capitalism still requires exploitation in order to function, because it is still capitalism, which is exploitative by nature.

    there is no thought in communism

    There's more thought in communism than there is in capitalism, as communism is based on the scientific method, and capitalism is built on the idea some people are born better than others. [2]

    your odor lingers on

    I hope you realize your place and the fact you will never be a capitalist. Education is free and easy these days.

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  • [–] 2 points 21 hours ago
    1. They are all sourced.
    2. My links explicitly answer those sources and address them.
    3. All socialist countries that currently exist use democracy.
    4. That is hilariously naive little fascist.
    5. Why do you think that they do?
    6. Good argument little fascist.
    7. Why do you think this when all information about the government is public information in communist countries?
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  • [–] 6 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 child)

    The sources for the blog post in point number 3 are pretty spotty. They quote Western media like the Washington Post or a former Australian official without giving the proper links or citations. The citations to some “Western” sources like Amnesty International are there but these sources are only brought in so the authors can get nitpicky about their word choices. The only solid source I could find was the WikiLeaks source from the US embassy, but that doesn’t contradict the massacre narrative because the wire could have been sent before the violence peaked. The more substantive claims rely on YouTube videos or other blog posts for their sources.

    I’m not trying to be hostile by saying this; I’m willing to hear you out. But I will need a far higher standard of rigour before I’m willing to take any of these ideas seriously.

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  • [–] 5 points 22 hours ago (8 children)

    False:

    1. "Tankie" was coined by orthodox communists to describe and criticize party members who supported the Soviet Union's use of military tanks to brutally crush the Hungarian Revolution of 1956. And, since you really love sources,

    The term "tankie" was originally used by dissident Marxist–Leninists to describe members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who followed the party line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU). Specifically, it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out in defence of the Soviet use of tanks to suppress the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and the 1968 Prague Spring, or who more broadly adhered to pro-Soviet positions.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie 2. The Tiannamen Square protests are led by a vast majority of students. Reading the article you cited, it states: "...and are clear that the "protesters" (rioters) initiated the deadly violence in Beijing (none of which occurred in Tiananmen Square itself)." You can see that this mofo denies the massacre happening because it literally didn't happen in the Square (true, but a non-sequitur). Secondly, that the protestors initiated the violence. The protests were peaceful, until the Chinese government declared martial law and ordered thousands of People's Liberation Army (PLA) troops into Beijing. 3. Sure. The article is fucking misleading. Let's assume it is right, and even then, your (3) is yet again a non-sequitur: because the protestors initiated the violence does not make the massacre justified.

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  • [–] 1 point 22 hours ago* (4 children)

    Hi, yes. One of your sources, Hampton Think, is a leftist "proletariat" (self-described; on Hampton Think's about page). They are an open platform with no fact checking, so:

    1. Not only are you citing a leftist source, which, saying this by itself, is an ad hominem
    2. And they have no fact-checking or peer review
    3. You are using it to justify anti-capitalist and pro-socialist ideologies. This is circular logic; using anti-capitalist cherry-picked proof to reinforce your anti-capitalist ideology. Addendum: What do you think about "In defense of Communism", your second source? Yeah. Give me some real sources next time.
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