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can we shout out to the fediverse developers, for making the fediverse possible (thelemmy.club)
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shout out to the lemmy developers for not making us be stuck on the other site

shout out to mastodon devs for making us have a better life than on Twitter

shout out to the pixelfed devs for allowing a actual photography platform to exist

shout out to the peertube devs for helping us not be stuck on youtube until the end of time

ETA: Shout out to the server operators who make the stuff be done

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[–] 2 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

In the thread under the screenshot, there is another screenshot from where Nutomic explain, that the topic was clearly more complicated than they had understood earlier and they did not want to discuss it further.

Unless people give me reason to do otherwise I will keep seeing people as trying to do the best they can with what they got. Otherwise it would not be worth discussing at all. That is to say I choose to believe he has learned a thing or two. Especially because the there are several safe communities on lemmy.ml

But in the end I think what irks me about the entire discussion is the fact that someone tried to make a positive post about community the people enabling it and the first thing that happens are people throwing shit at the people making us even being able to have this discussion.

I do however choose to believe that people get offended and get knee jerk reactions because we are so used to the ton shit the internet hurls at us as soon as we open a browser. And thus that there actually is something to discuss in good fate.

That is why I read the thread about Nutomic stupid microblog (admittedly not in detail, most of it was just people with opinions) and that is why I chose to comment. Some people have stupid takes for various good reasons e.g. bad education. That is not the real problem, the problems start if they are unwilling to try to nuance that view or accept it is possible to see things differently. We all can get stubborn or be too indoctrinated to see through stuff, but the real problems start if people double down on criticism, or if they start acting on shitty takes or worldviews. That is not what I am seeing here.

I've written this to get my head straight about the situation, but I hope whoever read this far down the thread can use this for something.

And finally. Thank you dear developers, hosts, admins, mods, programmers and posters for making the Fediverse a real alternative to Reddit and in time hopefully to all our incorporated social media. If a contributor asks for support please support them if you can.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 hours ago* (2 children)

    It would be one thing if he actually tried to understand why what he said was "controversial" and made a real attempt to apologize instead of throwing up his hands and insisting he didn't want to talk about it anymore.

    This reminds me of the bigoted people that espouse their shitty opinions and then refuse to discuss it further when they realize what they are saying maybe sucks a lot.

    Telling me that ML has trans communities is akin to the racist that says "But I have a friend that's black!"

    In my opininion the developer got upset that his shitty opinions were going to cost them donations and tried to half-ass walk it back.

    I fear you and I will never see eye to eye on this, and that's ok. I won't judge you for your opinion and I thank you for being level headed during this discussion. But sadly I remain unconvinced that the developer actually learned anything from this experience other than being more careful next time to not say things that suck.

    🩷

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago (1 child)

    And now we have come to an impassé. There is no easy way to find out if you are right about Nutomic has changed his mind and only have backed down for convience. I can say once again, that I haven't seen anything else pointing in that direction, but that won't persuade you.

    I do understand fear of prosecution. I will never ever tell anyone not to listen to that fear. Sadly that has turned out to be dangerous at times. Safety and feeling secure always comes first. Transphobia as well as many other kinds of hatred exist and sometimes thrive among the very people who should have felt like home. I cannot remove that fear from you, I can only tell you that I haven't seen bigotry on lemmy.ml unless you count that one microblog, and I obviously don't.

    It also makes me sad that you, you fear me, but I get a feeling that I cannot change that neither. I am a little allergic to bullshit, but I don't see that from you and that is why I am trying to formulate something instead of just leaving it at that. I don't think you are fair in comparing me to racists and I am sorry that you don't feel safe on lemmy.ml

    Since this is the internet and no one has no clue on what is going on on the other side of the screen I will just ask you to consider that people are people, weak, prone to mistakes and opinionated. Sometimes it actually helps to talk instead of judging. I know it fucking sucks and it can be so draining. And a lot of times it is a waste of effort. But I do believe that we as humans are strongest because of our differences if we are able to understand each other despite them. I take it that most people on lemmy.ml are socialists and computer geeks. I mean its mainly an instance about computers and IT politics. I also believe that socialists strive to be open-minded, failing as we sometimes are, because our very ideology is built upon the idea that every human being is a thing to be treasured and that we are all equal. Once again I am not asking you to do anything, but maybe consider your views once in a while and I promise you I will try to do the same.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago

    I wasn't trying to compare you with racists, I could have worded that sentence better. I meant that just having the existence of trans coms on his instance isn't some kind of shield for his comments and lack of apology. There is no clear statement that I have seen from him that he really understood that what he said was harmful. Instead he delivered a cop out response and literally said he didn't want to talk about it anymore. That statement was in no way a recanting of his previous statement, and it is pretty clear to me that he learned nothing and just wanted the controversy that he stirred up to go away.

    I find it sad that you would go to such lengths to defend this so I'm sorry but I'll have to block you now. You've made your opinion clear and it's not congruent with the reality of the situation.

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