A former BioWare employee says that EA's new management wasn't on board with the developer's inclusiveness.

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[–] 48 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Bigots' response to the flag is really interesting. It's like conceding that it happens but that you shouldn't be proud of it, or celebrate it or normalise it like straight romance.

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  • [–] 64 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

    It might be a big deal for removing a flag, but for me it doesn’t matter.

    Removing the flag is a symbolic victory for bigots. Even if the game still has queer representation, bigots still get to say, "We made you take down your flag to appease us" and that's a big win in their eyes. Like earlier this year when Philz Coffee planned to remove all employee decor LGBT flags from their locations, but then reversed course after backlash citing, "We had no idea that symbols of support and solidarity mattered so much to an oppressed community!" They knew. They just hoped they could withdraw their support symbolically before then withdrawing their support entirely.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 week ago

    Of course it doesn't matter to you.

    Congratulations for not being part of a marginalized group and for being completely ignorant to the privileges you have been arbitrarily bestowed.

    Maybe you should care that other groups are being erased from society by hateful people.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

    It is an action with considerable symbolic weight. It means EA is taking a hostile stance toward LGBTQIA+ inclusivity.

    If I weren't already boycotting them, I would start now.

    Perhaps this doesn't matter to you for a lack of empathy and care for the representation of LGBTQIA+ folks. Try being an oppressed minority group. Or, you know, having empathy for others.

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    The context was @thingsiplay@lemmmy.ml saying that it does not matter to them and implying that the removal was meaningless.

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    Removing a pride flag is most definitely anti―LGBTQIA+ freedom. Whether the gameplay loop changes doesn't modify that truth.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

    Removing the flag from Stonewall was still an anti-LGBTQIA+ action, despite gay marriage not being re-illegalized because of it. You are standing on fallacy in saying that the removal of the flag wasn't political because the gameplay didn't change.

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    The context was @thingsiplay@lemmy.ml saying that the removal of the Pride flag from the game was not an anti-LGBTQIA+ action, because it doesn't hinder the rights of queer folk.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

    I did not argue that the flag changes rights. I said that the censorship of the flag (which is a symbol of LGBTQIA+ rights), before or after development, is therefore symbolically a censorship of LGBTQIA+ rights. It carries political weight because it is a symbolic opposition to LGBTQIA+ rights. This is irrespective of time of removal and gameplay. Those are irrelevant to my argument, and you cannot rebut an argument in a case that does not really involve the gameplay or time of removal with the gameplay or time of removal.

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    The context was @thingsiplay@lemmy.ml saying that the censorship does not matter because it was before release and did not limit actual queer rights.

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    when I say something is irrelevant then you don’t accept it

    This is because so far, you have relied on fallacy to make those points.

    a non issue to me

    Whether it matters to you does not change its meaning.

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    I did not.

    You argued that because it was not important to you, it was meaningless. That is a non sequitur. You did.

    Because it matters to you, does not change its meaning either.

    True. I am not changing its meaning. The meaning of the Pride Flag has always been a simple symbol of LGBTQIA+ rights. Its removal is symbolic of a removal thereof. That has nothing to do with my personal view; I am simply stating the existing meaning, not trying to modify the purpose of the flag as you are simply discarding its symbolic meaning.

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