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[–] 2 points 1 month ago (31 children)

Nah man, the planet would be really better off without the Abrahamic religions, if you don't think so, you're not paying attention

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (30 children)

    And i fully agree, the world would be better off without all the religious doctrines. Not just the abrahamic ones.

    What i disagree with is that having any form private religious contemplations means you are immediately part of a death cult and a horrible person.

    Same like not being a vegetarian doesn’t mean you hate all animals.

    Getting fulfilment from your job doesn’t mean you agree with capitalism.

    Life has nuance, so do personal experiences. Not all forms of religions even require you to have literal believes.But some people want to act like their is no alternative then religious zealot and Anti-religious zealot.

    There is a huge moment of post religion out there that is helping humans get out of superstition. Atheism is one form of that, but not the only one. Grouping them all together as just as bad as the religious abusers is simply not right.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontheism

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (25 children)

    So long as your flaws are your problems, you choose to live worse for some reason. But it is not just religion, but any kind of magical thinking. Like when someone refuses psych medicine because they believe they are special, and can overpower the disease with willpower.

    You put people at risk willingly by making irrational choices, just because they are convenient.

    Having said that, I have little issue with Cristian atheism, as it's not an actual religion, but an ideology.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (24 children)

    For the majority of people that identify as religious, it is just a philosophy/ideology.

    That why i take a stand when people shout that “everyone who identifies as religious is part of a death cult”

    I am fortunate not to live in an area where zealots are a majority. I only know a single person who actually believes in anything magical (angels) and she does not think that they can intervent in everyday life.

    I do know plenty of people who still identify as religious. My Christian teacher who explained me that the bible is just some old book not to take literal.

    Even the priests who baptised my son (atheist parents baptising their kids is very common where i live) does not personify god as a separate Devine entity and the one time i heard him preach it was more pro socialism and warning for social isolation by new technology then anything magical.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (23 children)

    That is concerning, given that the actual religious folk's religion is based on an anectodal book, that means they can twist it to whatever suits them.

    Like the prospherity gosspel. It is so easy to influence people.

    I mean, that's what MAGA is doing, treating their own religion book as "communist propaganda".

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (22 children)

    I think it’s part of post-theism actually. It’s nothing to be concerned about.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-theism

    Its includes things like atheism. Christian atheism and cultural Christians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Christians

    There are similar branches in other religions, some have even be older then Roman Catholicism itself.

    When statistically more than half of people who identify as Christian proclaim that experience is entirely personal. I am inclined to belief they are a part of this. All the religious people i know treat the bible just like any other historical book on traditional philosophy. They don’t go to church (outside special occasions), they aren’t followers of anyone but themselves. They are still considered Christians by themselves and those around them.

    The pure definition of “Christianity” in a modern context seems to be nothing more then “having doubts that death will be the end of your conscious experience + some abstract feeling of the universe being an everlasting singularity”

    Whether people do good or bad, is entirely up to the people.

    To compare with communism. I very much oppose the ussr and ccpr, but that doesn’t mean das kapital by marx is a source of evil.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (21 children)

    I think it’s part of post-theism actually. It’s nothing to be concerned about.

    It's literally what the bible says, and believers are killing people every day because THAT'S WHAT THE RELIGION IS ABOUT.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (20 children)

    What the bible says doesn’t matter to religious people who don’t follow that bible.

    I think it’s because of your protestant cult upbringing, where the pastor’s bible was absolute truth. That’s a particularly conservative strand, one that denies the Vatican any interpretive authority. Its official role is to interpret a closed revelation, one that supposedly ended when the last apostle died, not to speak as God. Not a defence, just factual information.

    I’ve told you before that I’ve read about 3 different bibles. Both the catholic school I went to and my atheist parents considered all of them bibles. But to the extremists you’re talking about, all 3 would be condemned as heretical socialist texts that aren’t the bible at all.

    A minority doesn’t get to describe a majority. If we allow that, we lose what we stand for, because people who are malicious will always twist it to evil.

    On your nazi argument, compare it with communism. The USSR and the CCP both claim to be socialist and both murder any countering voices. The truth is they aren’t communist, because they have a political class separate from the people.

    Fascists have always done this. Embrace, extend, extinguish. With Christianity it started with the Romans, who took three centuries of history that had held no centralised or institutional power and narrowed it down. what was left was the version where the afterlife is a threat you hold over people. This is what most resembles “a death cult”, an institutional invention and not the original philosophy. It’s one of the reasons I got interested in the non-roman branches that warned against scripture, though those have been coopted by evil figures plenty of times too.

    The roman cult, and especially the protestant branches, have done an insane amount of harm to people over the years. Yet the original philosophies survived all of it, and in a modern context, mostly in Europe, they’ve turned into the non theological and personal forms of Christianity that exist today.

    It’s still called Christianity because the original stories use Jesus as the character who is the example of good. A bit like a mask in Greek theatre that tells you what the character stands for.

    A lot of the good ideas are still there, not just in bible interpretations but in how people actually experience morality. Helping those in need, showing compassion without judgement, finding some personal peace in a chaotic world. None of that needs an afterlife to work, which is sort of the point.

    I prefer “spiritual” myself, but I can’t fault people who are surrounded by likeminded rational people who all call themselves Christians for labelling the extremist an outsider and the church old fashioned.

    What really made the difference is that people can now compare translations and read the different materials themselves instead of getting one interpretation from one source.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (19 children)

    A minority doesn’t get to describe a majority.

    A majority of christians believe the bible, for fuck's sake. Stop pretending my situation is some kind of fluke. Stop running cover for literal death cultists, abusers. Stop choosing death.

    Three-quarters of Christians say they believe the Bible is the word of God.

    While about four-in-ten Christians (39%) say the Bible’s text is the word of God and should be taken literally, 36% say it should not be interpreted literally or express another or no opinion. A separate 18% of Christians view the Bible as a book written by men, not God.

    They hide their stupid beliefs or they take the cowardly approach of trying to leave every possibility open instead of having consistent values.

    In 2014, about four-in-ten Christians (42%) said reading the Bible or other religious materials is an essential part of what being Christian means to them personally. An additional 37% say reading the Bible is important but not essential to being a Christian, and 21% say reading the Bible is not an important part of their Christian identity.

    So 79% think reading the bible is important. The bible is hate speech. Please stop defending it and the people who consult it for guidance.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/04/14/5-facts-on-how-americans-view-the-bible-and-other-religious-texts/

    The USSR and the CCP both claim to be socialist and both murder any countering voices. The truth is they aren’t communist, because they have a political class separate from the people.

    And you can see through their bullshit because of the evidence. Why can't you do that for christianity? How many tales of parents abusing their children per the bible's explicit instructions do you need to hear before you acknowledge it is a problem? Fuck you for throwing my life away, selfish coward.

    what was left was the version where the afterlife is a threat you hold over people.

    Again, HAVE YOU READ THE BIBLE? It has been a death cult since Genesis. Yahweh is an authoritarian death god. Christ is yahweh. Christianity is fascist.

    It’s still called Christianity because the original stories use Jesus as the character who is the example of good.

    This is the problem. Jesus is not good. It is not loving to demand complete submission under threat of eternal punishment. It is not loving to tell deadly lies.

    I prefer “spiritual” myself

    How selfish. Try using your brain. Magic isn't real. Souls and spirits are not real.

    What really made the difference is that people can now compare translations and read the different materials themselves instead of getting one interpretation from one source.

    In every translation, in every version, it's a fucking death cult.

    Fuck you for choosing willful ignorance. Fuck you for choosing death for innocent people. The blood on your hands will never come off. The least you could do is stop fucking killing.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (18 children)

    Stop pretending that the 75% of humans who are ascribe to some form of religion are all part of a death cult and none of them worth defending when they are attacked with blind hate.

    You are conflating these numbers.

    Using your numbers

    42% says its important to them personally to read a form of bible (but we cannot even agree on which texts counts towards the definition of bible, not even Christians agree on that)

    37% says its important but not essential to read the bible

    There is going to be very strong overlap here, you cannot add these numbers up. Of course it would be weird to call yourself Christian and never touch any of there philosophical texts.

    Only 39% (which is like the exact number of the protestant branch which yeah deserves pretty much all you are throwing out here) Claims the philosophy is a written by a magical being.

    Its a big number but may i remind you that post-theism branches that rejected for example genesis, existed since before Protestant existed, before the roman church was founded.

    They are still flow from the same philosophical source. Which is a handful of philosophical myths that describe the same story but also don’t agree with each-other. (At least one of them believed Jesus was a the human son of Joseph)

    My first comment to you was to clarify that the bible and Christianity are an entire umbrella of different works, beliefs and ideas. You cannot pick one and claim it speaks for all of them. Not even the church agrees on it.

    Like i said i have read multiple but you would not consider them bibles because they do not glorify death in any shape or form. The one i found most influential did not even mention the afterlife. It was just about a cool guy being trying to do what was right.

    I don’t believe in magical thinking, i dont ascribe to doctorine in any shape or form. Whats is selfish about correctly Labeling meditation a form spiritually?

    Is that a bad word now too? If this hate is directed at every word that has some vague link to historical dogma i have bad news. But this does feel like arguing sementics (which i admit to often get caught up with, but so do you)

    I am not and have never defended a death cults, no one of the many people i know is in a death cult, and it certainly is not what the majority christians are about. Citing a bible that is not the one they read/believe in is not going to change that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (17 children)

    Stop pretending that the 75% of humans who are ascribe to some form of religion are all part of a death cult and none of them worth defending when they are attacked with blind hate.

    IT'S NOT PRETENDING AND IT'S NOT BLIND.

    READ THE GODDAM BIBLE.

    IT IS A DEATH CULT.

    FUCK YOU FOR LYING ABOUT THIS.

    FUCK YOU FOR CHOOSING DEATH AGAIN AND AGAIN. USE YOUR GODDAM BRAIN, YOU SELFISH PIECE OF SHIT.

    I was abused because you reject reality.

    A song for you: https://snoopsqueak.com/videos/fys

    Like i said i have read multiple but you would not consider them bibles because they do not glorify death in any shape or form.

    Name them.

    The one i found most influential did not even mention the afterlife. It was just about a cool guy being trying to do what was right.

    BY LYING TO EVERYONE AND DEMANDING THEY JOIN HIS DEATH CULT. STOP SANEWASHING THIS.

    I don’t believe in magical thinking

    Evidently, you do, and as a result you are rejecting reality so you can preserve your deadly stupidity.

    Whats is selfish about correctly Labeling meditation a form spiritually?

    Because nothing is "spiritual". It's a bullshit word. Describe your experiences in the context of reality, please. By not doing so, you are normalizing magical thinking. You are enabling my parents and worse, all so you can feel Very Special.

    You are very special. You don't need the bullshit. Grow the fuck up and take a stand for the truth, your cowardice is KILLING PEOPLE.

    Is that a bad word now too?

    It's a deadly mindset.

    If this hate is directed at every word that has some vague link to historical dogma i have bad news.

    STOP APPEALING TO POPULARITY. Just because many people have done it for a long time does not make it right.

    And stop pretending I am the aggressor. I am defending real life against your fake, stupid bullshit.

    I am not and have never defended a death cults

    Liar, you've done it all throughout these comments and you're still doing it.

    no one of the many people i know is in a death cult

    Liar, every christian you know is.

    and it certainly is not what the majority christians are about.

    Liar, it's the definition of christ.

    Citing a bible that is not the one they read/believe in is not going to change that.

    The bible describes a death god, encourages everyone to join a death cult, and real people really believe it. What part of this are you not getting? STOP REJECTING EVIDENCE, YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (16 children)

    Here we go again. Insulting me for having a nuance that you fail to understand. Calling me a liar while i have been nothing but honest

    It is blind because you refuse to see the difference between a book writen by one philosopher in one time versus one writen by a different philosopher in another time.

    There is no such thing as a singular bible. There is no such thing as a singular christian identity (which i am not part of)

    You seem to believe that there and that it somehow has the “magic” to turn people evil but i will tell you all the evils are man made and burning books is not going to help you at all.

    No i do not know the name of the book i read 22 years ago. Also its not in English.

    You dont get to dictate what words mean, and if you try you will only find that everyone will stop listening to you.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (15 children)

    Insulting me for having a nuance that you fail to understand. Calling me a liar while i have been nothing but honest

    It's not nuanced, you're defending death cults.

    You are lying, and I highlighted each lie.

    Contrary to popular belief, lies do not require intent. If someone else told a lie and you repeat it earnestly, I'm still hearing a lie.

    It is blind because you refuse to see the difference between a book writen by one philosopher in one time versus one writen by a different philosopher in another time.

    It's not blind, because I see the text of the bible explicitly commanding abuse. You're pretending it doesn't exist, that it doesn't cause harm, while people are dying as a result of others' belief in it.

    There is no such thing as a singular bible.

    We are talking about christianity. The christian bible.

    There is no such thing as a singular christian identity (which i am not part of)

    It's in the name. They believe in christ, magical savior human sacrifice whom they must submit to if they want to avoid punishment.

    You seem to believe that there and that it somehow has the “magic” to turn people evil but i will tell you all the evils are man made and burning books is not going to help you at all.

    Read the bible and stop putting words in my mouth. I'd be happy if the damn thing had a "fiction" label, but many real human beings are pretending it is true.

    No i do not know the name of the book i read 22 years ago. Also its not in English.

    Useless, then. Focus on my points.

    You dont get to dictate what words mean, and if you try you will only find that everyone will stop listening to you.

    Neither do you. Think really hard about what "christianity" means, what "christ" is in context.

    It's a death cult.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (14 children)

    More delusional and hateful then the average religious person.

    Your point is that some interpretations of the bible which is not at all the interpretation of modern christians somehow speaks for them.

    You want me to adress your point but you habe yet to provide a single coherent point except “old book = bad”

    Christ is the character central to the philosophy. Thats pretty obvious.

    The gnostics are against god but christ is still their main guy.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (13 children)

    More delusional and hateful then the average religious person.

    Mr. Spiritual thinks I'm delusional.

    MAGIC ISN'T REAL, DUMB FUCK.

    I hate abusers, as everyone should. Stop defending them.

    I am not delusional. There is evidence for my claims, but you keep rejecting it because you're a lazy, selfish coward. Think harder. Look closer.

    Your point is that some interpretations of the bible which is not at all the interpretation of modern christians somehow speaks for them.

    No, my point is that every version of the bible explicitly instructs abuse, and many adults believe that.

    The ones who try to find a nicer "interpretation" are still directly enabling the others. Magical thinking is deadly.

    You want me to adress your point but you habe yet to provide a single coherent point except “old book = bad”

    HAVE YOU READ IT? Do you think slave rape is good? God does, therefore christ does.

    Christ is the character central to the philosophy.

    That's the problem. What is "christ"? According to the bible you keep ignoring, the one most people believe, christ is the human incarnation of an abusive god that we should all submit to.

    The gnostics are against god but christ is still their main guy.

    That's really fucking stupid. "Christ" is rooted in god. We can talk about Jesus instead, but he's also a piece of shit because he told deadly lies.

    Please use your brain and stop outsourcing your thinking. Examine the foundations more closely, look beneath the labels.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    MAGIC ISN'T REAL,

    Who are you arguing against?

    Are these believes of magic in the room with us right now?

    spiritualily is not religion nor is it magic, its simply a human experience. Meditation is an example.

    Stop acting like an abuser so i can stop feeling that you need someone to defend you.

    Think harder about what? Some dogmatic scripture you call the bible?

    Lets see i think god is absolute evil just from jacobs story alone.

    I also think authority or one human holding power over another is evil.

    Do you think i think slave rape is good? Think harder. Use your brain.

    Good to know you take specific offence to christ over Jesus. I already mentioned I suspected we where arguing sementics. I’ll say Jesus instead which is what i would usualy name the character. I only used Christ because you used it and i try to use the same terms to avoid confusion.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (11 children)

    Who are you arguing against?

    You, slimy dipshit.

    Are these believes of magic in the room with us right now?

    You, "spiritual" dumbass.

    spiritualily is not religion nor is it magic, its simply a human experience.

    It's the misrepresentation of human experience. Spirits aren't real.

    Meditation is an example.

    Meditation is a thought exercise. It's a mental activity, not a magical one.

    Stop acting like an abuser so i can stop feeling that you need someone to defend you.

    Stop defending death cults, dumb shit. You'll get more like me.

    Think harder about what? Some dogmatic scripture you call the bible?

    YES. THE ONE CHRISTIAN FAITH IS BASED ON.

    Lets see i think god is absolute evil just from jacobs story alone.

    Then you understand why christ is an abusive concept.

    I also think authority or one human holding power over another is evil.

    Then stop defending fascism.

    Do you think i think slave rape is good?

    Yes, since you think christianity is acceptable amd christianity begins with slave rape.

    Do you know why they're called abrahamic faiths? Because abraham was one of god's first chosen people.

    Do you know how Abraham conceived his child, a line that supposedly led to Jesus?

    It was slave rape, explicitly condoned by god.

    Good to know you take specific offence to christ over Jesus. I already mentioned I suspected we where arguing sementics. I’ll say Jesus instead which is what i would usualy name the character. I only used Christ because you used it and i try to use the same terms to avoid confusion.

    Right, that's why CHRISTIANITY is a death cult.

    For fuck's sake.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Spirituality isn’t magic your just arguing sementics of terminology you arent mature/sober enough to understand

    It has nothing to do with spirits in a modern psychological context

    YES. THE ONE CHRISTIAN FAITH IS BASED ON.

    Depending on which cult thats somewhere between 27 and 80 completely different books.

    Your argument is a cherry picked needle in a haystack but go on smart ass i have detached myself from feeling sympathy and am curiouss.

    Explain to me, what the concept of “christ” is.

    After you are done think about who told you that/gave you the book that explained it and thinking about wether they where a good person/teacher.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (9 children)

    Spirituality isn’t magic your just arguing sementics of terminology you arent mature/sober enough to understand

    Spirits don't exist.

    Did you know that having an alcohol dependency does not mean I'm drunk all the time?

    You: "I want to be your friend."

    Me: "Here is what I am going through and why."

    You: "I'm going to immediately use that against you instead of engaging with your points."

    You should shut the fuck up.

    It has nothing to do with spirits in a modern psychological context

    THEN USE A BETTER WORD. Define "spirituality."

    Depending on which cult thats somewhere between 27 and 80 completely different books. Your argument is a cherry picked needle in a haystack but go on smart ass i have detached myself from feeling sympathy and am curiouss.

    No, shitbag, I did not cherry pick the most popular christian bible in the world, the best-selling book of all time. You are exercising willful ignorance by pretending it does not have significant influence.

    Explain to me, what the concept of “christ” is.

    I have. "Christ Jesus" means "the messiah Jesus". In abrahamic religions, from judaism to christianity to islam, a messiah is a savior, heavenly sovereign, king of prophets. In judaism, upon which christianity is founded, the messiah is specifically a descendant of king David who will one day unite the tribes of Israel.

    Christianity asserts that christ is the son of god and god the son, the same god from Genesis onward. The new testament claims that god sent himself in the form of his son Jesus to die as a sacrifice to atone for the world's sins, because god has demanded blood sacrifices since the old testament. That's the system he chose, for some reason.

    1 John 2:

    He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

    The famous John 3:16:

    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

    Luke 9, "die for me":

    For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will save it.

    Matthew 3 affirms Jesus's special connection with yahweh:

    And behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

    Mark 1 emphasizes that Jesus is the messiah:

    The beginning of the good news about Jesus the Messiah, the Son of God, as it is written in Isaiah the prophet

    And it echoes Matthew 3:

    And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”

    And it describes Jesus preaching the good news of yahweh the abuser:

    Jesus went into Galilee, proclaiming the good news of God. “The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!”

    What more would you like? Verses about his sacrifice, about sin?

    After you are done think about who told you that/gave you the book that explained it and thinking about wether they where a good person/teacher.

    That's my point. They were death cultists, and you are directly enabling them by defending christianity. The bible is hate speech. Do not pretend otherwise.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Spirits don't exist.

    No shit.

    There is no single agreed upon definition of spirituality, this one feels all right.

    Spirituality is a broad human experience that involves meaning, purpose, and a connection to something larger than oneself

    I told you i consider myself spiritual and you instantly went for the attack without even knowing what i mean with. So the gloves are off, The moment you started verbally abusing me again you get tit for tat.

    But also your not the first person with this problem that i deal with in life.

    Maybe i should start preaching about how alcohol is killing people and everyone who has an occasional sip enables abuse by alcoholics? Or would the irony get lost on you?

    On the actual topic of the bible versus.

    So they are the “canonical gospels” after all. Those we have discussed do not even agree with eachother and who’s interpretation can change on a whim with a new pope.

    Not exactly set in stone on top of a mountain is it (no i dont think those are real either)

    That is very much cherry picking because I don’t know any sensible christian who takes those literally.

    The people who told you that all christians take this stuff literally you already know are abusive liars. Do not believe them. They dont speak for the personal experience of others.

    Stop allowing them to have a hold over you.

    I bet the asshole that manipulated your parents is proud of you, their work. Spewing hate and attacking others of your class instead of the capitalist iceholes and ice who are only using religion as a cover and laugh in your face for taking the bait.

    Also Stop telling people what to do and how to think you are the definition of a non religious zealot.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (7 children)

    There is no single agreed upon definition of spirituality, this one feels all right.

    Dumb fuck. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. If it is a real thing, describe it in real terms. My father believes the christian bible because it "feels right" despite evidence to the contrary.

    STOP NORMALIZING MAGICAL THINKING, YOU ARE KILLING PEOPLE.

    Spirituality is a broad human experience that involves meaning, purpose, and a connection to something larger than oneself

    Bootlicking? "Larger" how? It's meaningless bullshit because you want to feel special. You don't need that.

    I told you i consider myself spiritual and you instantly went for the attack without even knowing what i mean with.

    Apparently I did know what you mean, your definition is pathetic.

    So the gloves are off, The moment you started verbally abusing me again you get tit for tat.

    Your death will be a relief to us all. I attack your arguments. I call you stupid because you reject logic. I call you selfish because you think your imaginary spirituality is worth more than my real life. I call you a coward because you side with the abusers instead of the victims.

    Ayybe i should start preaching about how alcohol is killing people and everyone who has an occasional sip enables abuse by alcoholics?

    Do it! It's a bigger problem than people realize.

    Or would the irony get lost on you?

    I acknowledge it's a poison. It's exactly why I'm getting treatment for it.

    Again, fuck off with your false equivalences. This is not a game, people are dying.

    So they are the “canonical gospels” after all. Those we have discussed do not even agree with eachother and who’s interpretation can change on a whim with a new pope.

    Have. You. Read. The. Text?

    Not exactly set in stone on top of a mountain is it (no i dont think those are real either)

    Literally was carved into stone at one point, dipshit.

    Why are bibles still being printed, sold, and read with practically no changes?

    That is very much cherry picking because I don’t know any sensible christian who takes those literally.

    Here's what you're missing: no christian is sensible. They all believe in abusive blood magic. Dumbass.

    The people who told you that all christians take this stuff literally you already know are abusive liars.

    If a person doesn't believe in christ, they should not call themselves christian.

    Do not believe them. They dont speak for the personal experience of others.

    I don't take people at their word. I examine the evidence.

    Belief in christ is harmful. Everyone should do better.

    Stop allowing them to have a hold over you.

    STOP DEFENDING THEM.

    Do you think I "allowed" myself to be abused? No, I asked my parents not to hit me. They hit me and told me it was good for me until I had to believe it or they'd hurt me even more.

    Did I choose a christofascist regime? No, I voted against it. But I was outvoted by a population too stupid to recognize that they're acting against their own best interests. Many of them have been brainwashed by the same book as I was. The bible teaches them hatred as love, submission to authority.

    Why are you pretending these connections don't exist?

    I bet the asshole that manipulated your parents is proud of you, their work. Spewing hate and attacking others of your class instead of the capitalist iceholes and ice who are only using religion as a cover and laugh in your face for taking the bait.

    You're pretending there's one evil voice in their ears. We moved a lot and attended multiple churches. My mother even said, "it's so hard to find a good church." Yet we kept going anyway, because they think a bad church is better than no church.

    I have listened to many different men yell at us about sin, hell, and redemption through christ.

    It's a bigger problem than you realize.

    Also Stop telling people what to do and how to think you are the definition of a non religious zealot.

    No. I will continue telling people to do better and why. That is how we save lives, not by rolling over and letting them slaughter us. If you had a spine, you'd join me. Say, wait a second... You're a complete fucking hypocrite. You should "Stop telling people what to do and how to think you are the definition of a non religious zealot". Fuck off.

    And I'm not a zealot. I'm a human being trying to help other human beings, and you're in the goddam way. Stop trying to dismiss me with bullshit labels and focus on the truth.

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    Your father is moron.

    Stop changing the context to something that is not ground in reality.

    I am not the embodiment of magical thinking. I don’t believe in magic. but i am getting convinced that you do because you keep citing some old book like it has magic powers over people.

    Your arguing against personal experiences of conciousness there is no definition.

    If you want everyone to have the same thoughts and perspectives then your advocating FOR doctorine. Again you are closer to those you hate then you think. You resemble them.

    Oh your calling for my death now. How mature of you.

    Maybe You Should stop Reading The Stupid Text That Poisoned Your parents

    Why still printed I assume to sell to american psychos. I haven’t actually seen a physical bible in at least a decade.

    Zealots also claim there helping people.

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    Your father is moron.

    Correct.

    What you don't seem to realize, and what our previous presidential election has proved, is that the United States is a nation of morons by design.

    Stop changing the context to something that is not ground in reality.

    What do you mean? You're the one doing that by insisting spirituality is a real thing.

    I am not the embodiment of magical thinking. I don’t believe in magic.

    You do. You believe in something "larger" than you, whatever that means, because it feels good, not because there is any evidence for it.

    i am getting convinced that you do because you keep citing some old book like it has magic powers over people.

    It has influence over people. Reading and writing is not magic, but it does affect our minds. You're a dipshit for pretending otherwise.

    Your arguing against personal experiences of conciousness there is no definition.

    What a stupid thing to say.

    Consciousness: "the state of being aware of and responsive to one's surroundings"

    If you want everyone to have the same thoughts and perspectives then your advocating FOR doctorine.

    No, you're the one making it personal.

    I want everyone, myself included, to align our beliefs as closely to reality as possible. That is how we make the best choices. That is how we avoid the needless suffering and death caused by magical thinking.

    Again you are closer to those you hate then you think. You resemble them.

    Stop ignoring the crucial difference: there is evidence for my claims.

    I was violently brainwashed from a young age by southern baptists. That doesn't just go away, they broke a human being. I am trying to use my broken pieces to do some good.

    Oh your calling for my death now. How mature of you.

    You started it. Quit defending death cults.

    Maybe You Should stop Reading The Stupid Text That Poisoned Your parents

    OTHER PEOPLE ARE READING IT AND USING IT AS JUSTIFICATION TO KILL US ALL, DUMBASS.

    I assume to sell to american psychos. I haven’t actually seen a physical bible in at least a decade.

    It's everywhere.

    In 2024, Bible sales in the United States alone reached a 21-year high, with 19 million units sold, marking a 12% increase from the previous year. This surge is part of a broader trend where Bible sales have more than doubled since 2019 and have consistently grown by double digits since 2021.

    This growth is not limited to the U.S. In the United Kingdom, Bible sales in 2025 were 134% higher than the first tracked year in 2008. Globally, Bibles are estimated to have sold between 5 to 7 billion copies in over 700 languages, cementing their status as the best-selling book of all time.

    https://www.accio.com/business/total-number-of-best-selling-bibles-worldwide

    China prints over 100 million Bibles yearly

    India saw 20 million Bibles distributed/sold in 2022

    https://wifitalents.com/bible-sales-statistics/

    Zealots also claim there helping people.

    Which is why I said to quit trying to label and dismiss and focus on the arguments. The closer we all get to reality, the better off we all are. Most religions take people farther from reality, everyone is incentivized to choose whatever flavor of lie feels right to them. It's a source of endless division, and it threatens all life because all life exists in reality.

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    You keep attacking me for believing in some form of magic, which i don’t.

    How i personally identify my own conciousness experiences is just that. I can define things my own way for myself.

    I was trying to make an example of non religious conciousness experience which can use similar philosophies critically without believe in magic.

    And obviously it failed because you attack it just the same. I kinda ran out of taboo words to further explain this part to you so i am gonna stop trying.

    No, you're the one making it personal.

    I have been defending the personal experience of others since the beginning, it was a mistake to be openhearted about my own but I really am trying to be your friend.

    why I said to quit trying to label and dismiss

    The irony is lost on you. Thats not even a question.

    Or you are a troll/ai in which case well, i really hope not.

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    You keep attacking me for believing in some form of magic, which i don’t.

    You do, by your own admission.

    How i personally identify my own conciousness experiences is just that. I can define things my own way for myself.

    Tell us more about your spirituality.

    I was trying to make an example of non religious conciousness experience which can use similar philosophies critically without believe in magic.

    But it is belief in magic.

    And obviously it failed because you attack it just the same.

    Because it's the same baseless magical thinking.

    What evidence do you have that something "larger" than you exists?

    No, you're the one making it personal.

    No, I am criticizing beliefs. Christianity is a death cult. You took that so personally, you still won't shut up about it.

    I have been defending the personal experience of others since the beginning

    The personal experiences that compel them to hurt others. That's attacking, not defending.

    it was a mistake to be openhearted about my own but I really am trying to be your friend.

    If that is true, stop defending death cults. As I said, I cannot be friends with liars. I've made that mistake before. It nearly killed me.

    The irony is lost on you.

    Your false equivalences are fucking disgusting. Your brain doesn't work.

    Or you are a troll/ai in which case well, i really hope not.

    Sure, I'm paying every month to host videos I made about my real life for the lols. Do you think I faked my little brother threatening mass violence? Search Christopher Stowe San Antonio yourself, see what you find.

    No, I'm putting myself out there, warts and all, on the off-chance it helps even one person avoid what I suffered.

    You can lie about me, but you can't erase me, and FUCK YOURSELF TO DEATH for trying.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Spiritual = \ = magic.

    If i believed in magic i would say so.

    See what i mean with if all words have the same meaning they become useless

    Fuck myself to death? Now who is preaching a death cult?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    The client I'm using (Raccoon) allows me to reply to direct messages, but I am unsure how to send one, so I am commenting here.

    In addition to my SnoopSqueak website, channel, and streams, I do a weekly stream every Friday specifically about atheism and religious beliefs. I'm starting one now, they tend to go for 6+ hours. You're welcome to come chat if you like. I don't monetize my videos, I encourage the use of ad blockers.

    It might be easier for us to have a civil discussion when it's not purely text. I think I can keep my cool on camera.

    Links if you are interested:

    https://www.twitch.tv/openatheist

    https://www.youtube.com/@OpenAtheist

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    Spiritual = \ = magic.

    Explain what it is again. Last time you appealed to vague descriptions that aren't rooted in reality.

    If i believed in magic i would say so.

    Not necessarily. Due to the magical thinking, you don't realize you're engaging in magical thinking, just like my parents.

    See what i mean with if all words have the same meaning they become useless

    I'm not suggesting all words should have the seem meaning. I'm really tired of dismantling your lazy straw men.

    In fact, I would like you to use more words, words grounded in observable reality, to describe your beliefs.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    No doubt painting it all with one brush is reductionist, there are good people in all corners of the world. What I would say is, even the genuinely good actors practicing these faiths are all acting as cover for the monsters, whether they want to or not. The most devout people should rather denounce their faith as to not enable the evil that gets perpetrated in their name.

    Of course that won't happen, but I don't know how else we can reconcile with the idea that these faiths are far, far, far, more destructive than productive, just accounting for the few vile wolves in sheep's clothing that are actively working towards the destruction of this planet despite the rest of us.

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    Why would someone who already denounces the church and the evils of institutional religion. But happens to have private contemplations of a spiritual nature, Denounce that personal experience also? Especially if it is their private experience that makes them understand how evil the church is?

    (This does not describe me but does describe multiple people who consider themselves religious that i know)

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    Why would someone who already denounces the church and the evils of institutional religion. But happens to have private contemplations of a spiritual nature, Denounce that personal experience also?

    Because it's more honest, and the closer we get to the truth, the more lives we can save.

    Nothing is "spiritual". Reframe the experience in reality. I promise you can keep all the benefits, just get rid of the needless risk.

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