▲ 298 ▼ Flock Safety's controversial CEO just got a taste of his own medicine (www.neowin.net) submitted 2 months ago by cantankerous_cashew@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 61 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 months ago (14 children) big tech CEOs are not people. they are rats. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] noxypaws@pawb.social 21 points 2 months ago (1 child) Nah. They are human. To deny that is to deny that which makes a person stoop so low as to become a CEO (rhyme initially not intended but damnit I'll still take credit for it) Plus, I respect rats too much to demean them like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 5318008@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago Rats are good people permalink fedilink source parent [–] bss03@infosec.pub 17 points 2 months ago* (9 children) This is dehumanization. It is the tool of the enemy. We do not need it. We will not use it. Batman_breaks_rifle.jpegxl -- If you dehumanize persons, you aren't a leftist or revolutionary or the resistance or an activist. You are a fascist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (2 children) Ok, I see your point but in a fascist society, what else can you do to stop him? Harsh language? A lawsuit you can't afford? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bss03@infosec.pub 17 points 2 months ago (1 child) Oh, violence, even lethal violence might be necessary in defense of self or others. But, we must not deny that we are dealing with persons. I'm not even saying don't dox the guy, I'm saying that don't forget that you are doxing a person. The focus should be on rehabilitating the person and remediating any harm they have caused, not on returning harm with harm. Of course, if they are being violent or legitimately threatening violence, defensive violence SHOULD be taken to contain/control/remove the threat. Violating his privacy might be a good lesson in how "we should balance privacy and safety" as part of his rehabilitation, but we can do that without dehumanization. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] markjamestwn1301@scribe.disroot.org 3 points 2 months ago Agreed. And as @noxypaws@pawb.social have said, it is important to realise and remain vigilant that humans can be capable of great harm, and that we ourselves are not immune if we're not carefully with ourselves. Otherwise we might ourselves becomes grown complacent and reproduce those harms on others in some form or another. permalink fedilink source parent [–] THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago (4 children) Nah, dehumanizing actual fascists is okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] noxypaws@pawb.social 14 points 2 months ago I don't wasn't fascists dehumanized. I do want lots of things for them but humanity doesn't get to ignore its worst aspects. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) I deally I want to go with the batman thing but you see so many of them ok with such cruelty for money and actually sometimes for no real return they just seem to like it. Certainly looks like monsters to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago Yeah but that wasn't the point. Besides, it may feel righteous but it doesn't do us any good, quite the opposite. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago The veneer of civilization is paper thin. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 months ago You are a fascist. whatever. so be it. those persons have lost their humanity. they are doing anything to the detriment of the common people, for the sake of it. we well get nowhere until they can continue what they are doing, guaranteed. no, that's not even true, we are literally going backwards to the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent [–] marzhall@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago They're paperclip optimizers. We've designed an economy that said "make people compete for dollars, it'll give us the best products" and sure enough the people who rise to the top do nothing but ruthlessly compete on getting dollars. And just like the thought experiment, in the race to gather more dollars, they trample the human race. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 2 months ago Parasites. Scrape them off, crush them with your boot. They require no more consideration than that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 21 points 2 months ago (1 child) Nah. They are human. To deny that is to deny that which makes a person stoop so low as to become a CEO (rhyme initially not intended but damnit I'll still take credit for it) Plus, I respect rats too much to demean them like that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 5318008@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago Rats are good people permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bss03@infosec.pub 17 points 2 months ago* (9 children) This is dehumanization. It is the tool of the enemy. We do not need it. We will not use it. Batman_breaks_rifle.jpegxl -- If you dehumanize persons, you aren't a leftist or revolutionary or the resistance or an activist. You are a fascist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (2 children) Ok, I see your point but in a fascist society, what else can you do to stop him? Harsh language? A lawsuit you can't afford? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bss03@infosec.pub 17 points 2 months ago (1 child) Oh, violence, even lethal violence might be necessary in defense of self or others. But, we must not deny that we are dealing with persons. I'm not even saying don't dox the guy, I'm saying that don't forget that you are doxing a person. The focus should be on rehabilitating the person and remediating any harm they have caused, not on returning harm with harm. Of course, if they are being violent or legitimately threatening violence, defensive violence SHOULD be taken to contain/control/remove the threat. Violating his privacy might be a good lesson in how "we should balance privacy and safety" as part of his rehabilitation, but we can do that without dehumanization. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] markjamestwn1301@scribe.disroot.org 3 points 2 months ago Agreed. And as @noxypaws@pawb.social have said, it is important to realise and remain vigilant that humans can be capable of great harm, and that we ourselves are not immune if we're not carefully with ourselves. Otherwise we might ourselves becomes grown complacent and reproduce those harms on others in some form or another. permalink fedilink source parent [–] THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago (4 children) Nah, dehumanizing actual fascists is okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] noxypaws@pawb.social 14 points 2 months ago I don't wasn't fascists dehumanized. I do want lots of things for them but humanity doesn't get to ignore its worst aspects. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) I deally I want to go with the batman thing but you see so many of them ok with such cruelty for money and actually sometimes for no real return they just seem to like it. Certainly looks like monsters to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago Yeah but that wasn't the point. Besides, it may feel righteous but it doesn't do us any good, quite the opposite. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago The veneer of civilization is paper thin. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 months ago You are a fascist. whatever. so be it. those persons have lost their humanity. they are doing anything to the detriment of the common people, for the sake of it. we well get nowhere until they can continue what they are doing, guaranteed. no, that's not even true, we are literally going backwards to the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (2 children) Ok, I see your point but in a fascist society, what else can you do to stop him? Harsh language? A lawsuit you can't afford? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bss03@infosec.pub 17 points 2 months ago (1 child) Oh, violence, even lethal violence might be necessary in defense of self or others. But, we must not deny that we are dealing with persons. I'm not even saying don't dox the guy, I'm saying that don't forget that you are doxing a person. The focus should be on rehabilitating the person and remediating any harm they have caused, not on returning harm with harm. Of course, if they are being violent or legitimately threatening violence, defensive violence SHOULD be taken to contain/control/remove the threat. Violating his privacy might be a good lesson in how "we should balance privacy and safety" as part of his rehabilitation, but we can do that without dehumanization. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] markjamestwn1301@scribe.disroot.org 3 points 2 months ago Agreed. And as @noxypaws@pawb.social have said, it is important to realise and remain vigilant that humans can be capable of great harm, and that we ourselves are not immune if we're not carefully with ourselves. Otherwise we might ourselves becomes grown complacent and reproduce those harms on others in some form or another. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bss03@infosec.pub 17 points 2 months ago (1 child) Oh, violence, even lethal violence might be necessary in defense of self or others. But, we must not deny that we are dealing with persons. I'm not even saying don't dox the guy, I'm saying that don't forget that you are doxing a person. The focus should be on rehabilitating the person and remediating any harm they have caused, not on returning harm with harm. Of course, if they are being violent or legitimately threatening violence, defensive violence SHOULD be taken to contain/control/remove the threat. Violating his privacy might be a good lesson in how "we should balance privacy and safety" as part of his rehabilitation, but we can do that without dehumanization. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] markjamestwn1301@scribe.disroot.org 3 points 2 months ago Agreed. And as @noxypaws@pawb.social have said, it is important to realise and remain vigilant that humans can be capable of great harm, and that we ourselves are not immune if we're not carefully with ourselves. Otherwise we might ourselves becomes grown complacent and reproduce those harms on others in some form or another. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] markjamestwn1301@scribe.disroot.org 3 points 2 months ago Agreed. And as @noxypaws@pawb.social have said, it is important to realise and remain vigilant that humans can be capable of great harm, and that we ourselves are not immune if we're not carefully with ourselves. Otherwise we might ourselves becomes grown complacent and reproduce those harms on others in some form or another. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago (4 children) Nah, dehumanizing actual fascists is okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] noxypaws@pawb.social 14 points 2 months ago I don't wasn't fascists dehumanized. I do want lots of things for them but humanity doesn't get to ignore its worst aspects. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) I deally I want to go with the batman thing but you see so many of them ok with such cruelty for money and actually sometimes for no real return they just seem to like it. Certainly looks like monsters to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago Yeah but that wasn't the point. Besides, it may feel righteous but it doesn't do us any good, quite the opposite. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago The veneer of civilization is paper thin. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 14 points 2 months ago I don't wasn't fascists dehumanized. I do want lots of things for them but humanity doesn't get to ignore its worst aspects. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) I deally I want to go with the batman thing but you see so many of them ok with such cruelty for money and actually sometimes for no real return they just seem to like it. Certainly looks like monsters to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago Yeah but that wasn't the point. Besides, it may feel righteous but it doesn't do us any good, quite the opposite. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frongt@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago The veneer of civilization is paper thin. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago Yeah but that wasn't the point. Besides, it may feel righteous but it doesn't do us any good, quite the opposite. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago The veneer of civilization is paper thin. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 months ago You are a fascist. whatever. so be it. those persons have lost their humanity. they are doing anything to the detriment of the common people, for the sake of it. we well get nowhere until they can continue what they are doing, guaranteed. no, that's not even true, we are literally going backwards to the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marzhall@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago They're paperclip optimizers. We've designed an economy that said "make people compete for dollars, it'll give us the best products" and sure enough the people who rise to the top do nothing but ruthlessly compete on getting dollars. And just like the thought experiment, in the race to gather more dollars, they trample the human race. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 2 months ago Parasites. Scrape them off, crush them with your boot. They require no more consideration than that. permalink fedilink source parent