cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/72685299

I discovered this after upgrading our instance yesterday, which also upgraded all frontends to their latest versions as well. After I did, our Tesseract frontend stopped working and I noticed immediately as it's been my primary for a while. Initially I thought it was an API version mismatch, but no, it was much worse.

Someone pointed out that the developer of the frontend added an explicit hidden and unmodifiably blacklist which includes any and all instances to the left of Kissinger. There's a commit which also explains their specious reasoning about our instance specifically, as it seems we've been on their shit list for a bit longer than that.

This instance and its admin staff encourages identity politics, groupthink, mob mentality, and extremist solutions to societal problems. Users who advocate violence are not moderated so long as the admins agree with the target. Caution and critical thinking are advised when interacting with this instance or its users.

When you use tesseract to connect to one blacklisted such instance , you just get a message informing you that Tesseract is "incompatible with that instance" which leads one to think of a technical issue, like an API mismatch, rather than the dev being an opinionated coward.

Isn't it funny how all the software developed by turbolibs, like Piefed and Tesseract, end up with hidden control mechanisms from developers who think they know better than everyone else? That they don't just think they deserve to tell you what you should think, but they should manipulate you to think it? Isn't it funny how libs go on about how bad it is to support lemmy due to the ideology of the devs behind it, and yet lemmy has 0 opinions as a software? It does make one think...

Anyway, I forked - it as one does - and disabled the blacklist, but since this is a massively ideologically compromised software, I'll doubt I'll keep this frontend up after Lemmy 1.0. I think we'll bring up mlmym again now that someone's maintaining it again.

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[–] 51 points 3 months ago (102 children)

I noticed this post on Mastodon, wanted to open it in the threadiverse, which nowadays I usually do through Piefed.social.

  • Copied link
  • In Piefed, Search > Retrieve remote post
  • "Post not found". Me: what? Did the author or mod delete it already???
  • Clicked on the link to try, it opened on the native instance (lemmy.world) just fine! Neither author nor mod has deleted it. I read the article.
  • After, I investigate a bit more. On Piefed.social, I am subscribed to !fediverse@lemmy.world , I can open that /c & can see posts there. But not this post. It's missing.
  • Come to my Lemmy instance (lemmy.ca) with Alex front-end, confirm I can see the post from here. Twice even.

So why can't I see it on Piefed.social??? Can I not rely on Piefed.social? Censorship, or just an innocent federation issue?

Piefed.social - "Post not found"

Fediverse@lemmy.world viewed via Lemmy.ca/Alex frontend - post present, twice even

Fediverse@lemmy.world viewed via Piefed.social - post missing

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  • [–] 86 points 3 months ago* (52 children)

    Piefed.social is run by an admin with similar views on censoring leftists as the Tesseract devs. There was a whole fiasco about it a few months back, where the lead Dev of Piefed kept lists of Leftists and other users they permabanned for pointing out issues with Piefed's code.

    OP is on that list.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Can confirm. I believe I'm explicitly on their blocklist.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (42 children)

    Liberalism is right wing, and is allowed. Anything to the left of liberalism, from anarchism to socialism to communism, is censored. It's clear as day that Piefed is right-wing at the developer level. The fact that the far right is also censored does not make it left wing.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (40 children)

    It doesn't, though, outlets like BBC, the New York Times, etc. are allowed.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    New York Times is precisely as left wing as liberalism. You've been raised to implicitly think of liberalism as the "normal amount of left", and that is not accurate. That's my assumption at any rate, because I was raised that way and carried around a similar misconception.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

    If everyone but you agrees...

    ...in this case, you simply need to expand your definition of "everyone".

    Roughly everyone in the US is conditioned to see our tiny slice of the political spectrum this way, as you're describing. Democrats left, Republicans right, the precise middle between them being...what? "Moderate"?

    US politics sits within several broader contexts - it is not some magical thing with the power to redefine global and historical political thought. We simply grew up thinking it's mostly all there was and probably the ~best out of other worse sets of ideas.

    And all of us suffer for that, you help us all suffer for that, by simply accepting (defending!) the self-defeating idea that Democrats are as far left as one should go. While Republicans just sprint further right, without penalty. And complicit orgs like the New York Times "report" like everything is mostly normal, instead of a goddamn historic, violent assertion of all the worst fucking things that basically NO ONE agrees with, going on today.

    Okay. Democrats are left-wing. How?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    You are so wrong it's amazing. Sounds malicious, even deceitful, frankly. Think we're all done huh?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    By dropping due process in a hundred ways, by openly murdering people they want to deport, by dismantling election safeguards, by destroying the Department of Education, by installing a fucking quack as the head of our health department and attacking vaccination, by the executive branch refusing to answer to the other branches of government in all the legal ways it is required to, by weakening protections against predatory financial schemes, by discarding truth and nakedly lying as a constant mode of operation, by dismantling the separation of church and state, by rolling back civil rights and Roe v Wade, by facilitating ever-greater mergers and monopolization, by demonizing and attacking protected 1A speech as "left wing terror", by SELLING FUCKING SCAM COINS FOR PRIVILEGED ACCESS TO THE WHITE HOUSE

    Look, I am simply tired of typing - this is nowhere NEAR the list of evidence for the sharp slide right.

    You are either so clueless you should never comment on American politics, or you're acting in bad faith. Either way, go fuck yourself.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    By attacking and crippling fucking Sesame Street, AKA the entire LIBRARY of magnificent culture, available and permanently useful to the poorest folks, especially children, provided by PBS.

    By literally violently capturing the head of state from another country that posed zero risks to the one that went aggro. By making it super fucking clear that the only goal there is imperialist extraction.

    By reversing the obviously improving relations with Cuba, in a disgustingly violent way, by simply depriving the literal island of the resources required to uphold a functioning society.

    By cutting off foreign aid like a fucking guillotine, with ZERO prep given for the sudden "guess you can just go die, then, we are done helping".

    Ran outta words I felt like typing again, maybe I'll say more.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (25 children)

    Both are right-wing. Both uphold capitalism, imperialism, and Zionist genocide. Leftism begins at socialism.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (23 children)

    I'm not redefining it. Historically, leftism has been used to describe those who wish to advance to the next mode of production historically, ie those who are progressive, while rightism is to conserve or turn the clock backwards. BBC and NYT are both on the side of dying capitalism, wishing to drag the moribund body of capitalism, while leftists would be the socialists and communists. In the French revolution, capitalism was left, because it represented a movement beyond the monarchy and into capitalism.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    No it is unfortunately you who does not understand what left right and centre means. The centre is those who hold up the status quo. The right are those who long for tradition and a return to the old. The left are those who strive for progress and the new. Liberals lie between upholding the status quo and wishing for a return to status quo of a few years ago when imperialism was less nakedly obvious. Liberals are thus centre-centre right.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    It's literally exactly what they mean.

    LeftWing: Socialism Communism Anarchism Etc All trying to push society to progress beyond the now to new modes of production and organisation.

    RightWing: Conservatism(liberalism) Nazism Libertarianism Feudalism Etc All trying to return to the mode of production and organisation from their imagined golden age.

    The centre then if course is simply upholding the status quo of the current mode of production and organisation be that through inaction or actively.

    You seem think left right and centre are concrete static labels floating above reality as opposed to what they are in reality which is a quick way to note the direction of an ideology in regards to the present.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I’m glad you’re not getting downvoted for this. When I pointed this out, people yelled, “BUT YOU CAN DISABLE ALL THIS!”

    What’s the point of defaults even being there if you can disable them?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Honestly it can be a coin flip, but I'm also banned from many of the instances that agree with Rimu thanks to the fiasco. That's also why I tend to not be downvoted so much anymore, they literally cannot see my comments from Piefed.social.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago

    Piefed has a shadowban/defederation tool. Like, I can post in piefed.social communities but they don't federate for anyone to see except for the individual user responded to. It's a way of moderating without it showing up in modlogs.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 months ago (43 children)

    What the fuck is going on with Piefed lately.

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  • [–] 59 points 3 months ago (28 children)

    Lead Dev is a crusader for establishment liberalism, essentially. Hates conservatives but also hates leftists. This puts them at odds with much of the fediverse, who lean more left than liberal.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 months ago (24 children)

    It's definitely funny in an ironic kind of way that Piefed began as at least partly a reaction towards the politics of the Lemmy devs, but ended up themselves doing the very thing they feared (ie: letting politics affect the code). Meanwhile Lemmy still has never suffered from this, as far as I know.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 months ago (20 children)

    I'm definitely biased as I'm a communist myself, but I'd argue this is more reflective of the politics of both sets of devs. Lemmy devs truly believe in the communist principles underlying the FOSS, federated project they have, while Piefed is unapologetically biased against that and towards liberalism. In other words, the principles speak for themselves in both projects.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    While excesses have been committed in socialist countries, they absolutely pale in comparison to the atrocities committed for capitalism and colonialism. I won't weap for landlords, capitalists, and fascists that were killed or imprisoned for their crimes against the working classes, and I will celebrate the immense gains made by the working classes after successfully gaining political power.

    Everywhere the working classes have taken power, life expectancies, literacy rates, housing rates, and more have all dramatically climbed, while food insecurity and poverty dramatically declined. Every single time. The sheer effectiveness of socialism in uplifting the people is undeniable, and while it's unfortunate that this can only be successfully established via revolutionary and therefore violent means, this violence is a response to the daily brutalization of the working classes

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    There is no class.

    Well, that's a new one on me. I've seen people argue that the earth is flat, but this is the first time I've seen somebody argue that being rich is the same as being poor. So, congrats on originality, I guess.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    "Mass murder" is dishonest. Revolution is violent, but is a response to violence. It's self-defense. Either way, those are the groups most harmed by socialism historically, so when someone tells me they wish these groups haunt me, I can only say that I won't shed a tear for them. Same as the United Healthcare CEO that got Luigi'd.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    No? I said I support using the state to suppress them. That can include killing them, but it does not necessitate it. The working classes should have full authority over the state, and be able to use it to forcibly appropriate property from the owning classes. Those that violently resist, the working classes should be able to respond in kind.

    You have a clearly dishonest view of what I said. Are you imagining a state just killing landlords for fun? Why resort to violence when unnecessary?

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I have never said "state sponsored murder is a good thing." I'd love to see a link, but either way, I guarantee it was a response in a similar context, stating that killing violent fascists and the like to protect the gains of socialism is a necessary measure. I never said "kill all owning classes," such a dogmatic and reductive stance is wrong. You cannot kill your way to a collectivized economy, you have to develop into one. You still have to protect socialism, but making it state policy to kill all owning classes is a reductive take.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    I'd appreciate if you included the parent comment you responded to:

    I perceived your comment as being in bad-faith, and responded curtly. Still, I never once said "kill all xyz," I said force is necessary to protect the gains of socialism.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Socialists do not "uninvent the market," or "require people to willingly forget what they know," and certainly not "give up any possession of value." Socialists solve the contradiction between socialized production, which markets are great at establishing, and private appropriation of the spoils of production, which creates the tiny and wealthy capitalist class. This is not an "un-invention" of the productive forces created by markets, but a solution to markets that have already fulfilled their historic role in creating socialized production.

    Those that have their property appropriated are the owning classes, the capitalists, landlords, etc. This isn't "anything of value," it's specifically the means of production and distribution, to create a better society for everyone based on the labor they actually perform and contribute to society.

    Further still, socialism is democratic. Capitalism cannot be. Those kept in fear in socialism and deprived of power are the formerly and present owning classes. For the proletariat, the workers, socialism is the first taste of actual democracy. Violent, revolutionary means are necessary to gain this democracy and end the oppression of capitalism, which keeps workers in fear and dictatorial control.

    States are inherently monopolies on violence. Either capitalists control the state, or the working classes do. Either there's capitalism, or socialism. Only once class has been abolished can the state wither away.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Deafboy dramatically and intentionally misrepresented the point, but all states are monopolies on violence, all are "authoritarian." The excesses committed in socialist States are genuine excesses of socialism.

    That being said, "concentration camps" is a bit disingenuous. No socialist state has had industrialized mass murder like the Nazis, UK, US, etc. Most deaths in prisons in the Soviet Union, for example, happened due to starvation during World War II, after the Nazis took Ukraine, the USSR's breadbasket.

    Contributing famine to socialism is even more disingenuous. In all instances of famine in socialist countries, these have been in countries historically food insecure with common famine, and the socialists were the ones to end the cycle of famine. Socialism did not cause the famines, weather disaster and underdeveloped agricultural forces did. Mismanagement often played a part, but not in a way intrinsic to socialism nor in a manner that would have made capitalism preferable.

    As for cultural purges, this is more vague. The cultural revolution in China, for example, is recognized as a mistake by the CPC. This is all I can really think of, though, when it comes to "cultural purges."

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago

    Extremism is a matter of perspective and has no quality other than „far away from this arbitrary fix point“.

    Why don’t you call all capitalists and their liberal enablers extremists for enslaving and annihilating the world and its inhabitants?

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago* (12 children)

    My strong guess would be that the turbolib Zionist mods/admins of lemmy.world are at it again.

    lemmy.world of course being... you know, mostly ex reddit power mods, from the US.

    On an unrelated note: We all know Ghislaine Maxwell was also a reddit power mod, right?

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Sure, the links are there

    I mean, we had Joe Biden force the sale of TikTok to a cartel of Silicon Valley fascists based on some spurious links to Chinese communism. If you can get from "Tankie TikTok Post" -> "President Xi Jinping undermined US electoral security" and enshrine that belief in federal communication policies, I don't think "Shitty Piefed Dev" -> "Ghislaine Maxwell" is that big of a joke.

    Double, extra, plus, too, you need to keep in mind how much influence Steve Bannon had back in 2016, largely by organizing and deploying white nationalists out of 4chan and the grosser corners of Reddit. And Bannon was bosom buddies with Epstein.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Moot met with Epstein, and shortly after, /pol/ was created. Coincidence?

    Ghislaine Maxwell's father was instrumental in establishing the abusive scientific publishing model we all suffer from today.

    The facts of these despicable people wanting to shape and control societal thought in surprisingly diverse and far-reaching ways - that evidence exists. Benefit of the doubt is a foolish thing to apply to these folks.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    I think its pretty obvious that I'm just throwing out something that is almost certainly not related, at the end.

    I did literally say its 'unrelated'.

    Because sometimes I'm a petty little bitch, just like you'd have to be to surreptitiously write an ideological ban list into some open source software.

    I'm just illustrating a similar level of dirty play here... if that confuses idiots, I don't care, in fact that's part of the point.

    Also, why am I talking to a throwaway acount right now?

    Too cowardly to say something on your real account?

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