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What are you honestly tired of people bitching about by this point? (piefed.world)
submitted 5 months ago by to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world
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[–] 36 points 5 months ago (12 children)

"We need a revolution and vigilante justice should be meted out on the billionaire class"

I am so tired of seeing this repeated endlessly everywhere by people with no intent to actually fucking do it. Yes everything is shit but you are not improving or changing anything with these empty platitudes.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    These people also don't seem to know their history very well when they're using the French Revolution as an example.

    Once the common enemy was defeated the revolutionaries realized that they no longer have the thing that united them so they turned on eachother next. Just like the US and USSR turned on eachother once the Nazies were defeated.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The French revolutionary government had moderate and radical factions that coexisted peacefully for many years. The terror wasn't something that happened arbitrarily, it was an escalating conflict between radicals and (mostly) counter-revolutionaries acting in the interests the French burgeroise. During the course of the revolution, the government abolished an extremely oppressive system of feudalism, established universal rights for French citizens, established voting rights that would eventually lead to universal suffrage in France, and abolished slavery in the French colonies. That's not to say it was all good (terror, wars, economic hardship, etc) but it completely transformed the entire country in a matter of years, from feudalism to a limited form of democracy, which resembles our modern democratic states much more closely than the system that had been created during the American Revolution.

    If your take on the French Revolution is 'they didn't have a common enemy so they turned on eachother' then I would say that it's you who doesn't know their history very well.

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  • [+] [S] 17 points 5 months ago (7 children)
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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    Ugh yeah, also this.

    I've encountered a truly depressing amount of self proclaimed 'anarchists' who've gone on and fucking on about how if they could just organise their own paramilitaries and forcibly take over the governments to impose 'totally not fascist, we're the good guys!' mandatory regimes of wealth and resource redistribution on the public, they could really fix everything...

    And the worst part is that I get it, I was also once a naive and optimistic teenager who read Marx and thought that if I could just explain things to people the right way they'd get it too, and we could fix everything wrong with the world together because most people were fundamentally good and would want to make the world better, if I could just get them to understand Marxist theory...

    Lmao, it was fucking soul crushing realising that's not actually how anything works.

    At least back then I wasn't on about paramilitaty takeovers and 'anarchism' though, like I get why more people are armchair revolutionary-ing to those extremes now but that's just so much more fucking stupid than believing people are 'mostly good and should read Marx'.

    I try not to interract with these types of people any more, I just wish I could stop seeing them pop up so often.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    They mix up cause and effect. They think the system is making people shitty, but it's people making the system shitty.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Yes. Any system, ANY system that gets put in place will have to contend with human shittiness. The American Founding Father's tried to split the power 3 ways tri-force style to try and prevent any serious abuses from happening, and yet they are still happening.

    No matter what system you devise, these fucking sociopaths will never stop trying to break it for their own personal gain.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Isn't that why the Occupy protests never really went anywhere? There was no plan for afterward.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Occupy made a number of bad decisions that doomed the movement, not least of which is that they made it about literally occupying a specific place, which made most people feel like they couldn't be part of the movement.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Yeah I was one of those people. I still kinda am. But I agree with your sentiment. The biggest risk of turning things violent is that there's more likely a chance for an authoritarian system to emerge than a truly egalitarian socialist one.

    So I've decided that the best thing is to try to figure out ways to develop alternative stuff to market systems. Grow your own vegetables. Host your own cloud storage/streaming service. Try to contribute to ongoing projects in your community to help realize that(volunteer at free clinics, food pantries) and try to join an organization.

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