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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

They weren't the losing side, they were the side that committed crimes. Punishing criminals for their crimes isn't a step too far. The mere fact that wealthy powerful people are not punished for their crimes is the fucking problem. That's not a feature of democracy. That's a failure of democracy.

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[–] DisgruntledGorillaGang@reddthat.com 9 points 6 months ago

Just because a fascist hasn't been completely successful left that doesn't mean they're not a fascist. Trump literally staged an insurrection. The fuck bullshit is this.

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

That is the trumpiest and scariest line of thinking possible. Elections are not meant to punish the losing side.

The department of justice is supposed to enforce the laws of this country.

And yes, you fucking coward, that includes arresting, trying and convicting an insurrectionist leader who tried to take over our country.

Now go ahead, explain how that’s “political” and why we can’t have justice.

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[–] Capable_Coping@piefed.social 22 points 6 months ago (4 children)

The very facy the Dems won in an election is a demonstration that they weren't battling fascists yet.

Trump and crew literally attempted to overturn the election and the Dems did next to nothing. If we can't recognize fascist actors before they've fully seized control of government then we will never have effective resistance to these types of movements.

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[+] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca -10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Trump and crew literally attempted to overturn the election and the Dems did next to nothing

Are you forgetting how almost everyone who stormed the Capitol was arrested?

Politically, they Impeached trump and only craven Republicans saved him.

The rest is supposed to be on the voters, more than half of whom decided they were okay with what had happened. As is their unfortunate democratic right, that's literally how it works.

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Useless pawns. The man who organized it is now POTUS

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[+] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca -7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

Like I said:

Politically, they Impeached trump and only craven Republicans saved him.

You know what could have given trump problems? More Dems in the Senate either time he was Impeached!

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

To be clear: they didn't convict because he was leaving office in a few days anyway. because there was no need for a political solution when the doj can just do what it exists to do.

there was no need to impeach him at that point.

Hey, you know, it might be political if you don't suck trump off.

Maybe you should get on that. wouldn't want to be political.

(Fun fact, not doing something because it might be political is a political act, coward.)

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml [S] 15 points 6 months ago* (12 children)

Fascist should not be treated the same as a normal political opponent. You NEED to purge them from your government as soon as possible. You can spot proto-fascists, it is possible. Why in gods green earth would you wait until they have established power to challenge them, that's stupid as hell. I'm sorry if it disturbs your liberal sensibilities but fascists deserve to be oppressed. They won't hesitate to oppress you when they get power

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[+] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca -9 points 6 months ago (11 children)

Unfortunately, everyone can call anyone a fascist. That's the entire problem.

Any system wherein one group can just dismantle another because of their politics will be abused. If whatever magical law/mechanism your nonsense required existed and had been used after the 2020 election, trump's successor would simply have done the same thing to the Democrats next time but we'd be even worse off as there would be no constraints on their power and no viable opposition, unlike the Dems who now stand a Puncher's chance in the goddamn Senate.

Being the good guy is difficult but the road you propose inexorably leads to authoritarianism.

I get that politics is slow and boring but this isn't a video game.

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[–] DisgruntledGorillaGang@reddthat.com 7 points 6 months ago

Unfortunately, everyone can call anyone a fascist. That's the entire problem.

Its not. There are actual academic definitions for what a fascist is. Calling someone a fascist doesn't mean they meet any of the criteria.

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml [S] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (9 children)

Pacifism is not a virtue in and of itself. These people are going to murder me and the people who are supposed to prevent that have done nothing of value. I'm sorry your precious liberal values stop you from defending yourself. If liberal democracy can do nothing to prevent fascism then liberal democracy should be replaced.

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My problem is not with the individual my issue is with the deomcratic party. You are correct that there wasn't anything Biden could actually do on his own. It would take a collective effort and likely military cooperation. It would cause political mayhem and be detrimental to the country as a whole and possibly destroyed the democratic party. It could prevent fascism though. I'm not saying any of this is easy or legal but it could have prevented fascism. Instead they did nothing of consequence.

I am personally of the opinion that fascism is incapable of being prevented through official means under capitalist liberal democracy so everything I say here is effectively meaningless. I'm sort of arguing that people in a system incapable of stopping fascism should have just done it anyway. Point is, you either have to accept that the democrats did nothing to stop fascism or that capitalist liberal democracy is incapable of stopping it and should be abandoned. Assuming you agree that the Trump administration is fascist.

You would probably refer to me as an authoritarian yeah but I think the term is meaningless. As far as I'm concerned all states are authoritarian and my endgoal is the dissolution of all states.

Edit: Roe v Wade should have been codified far before they had the chance to dismantle it but the democrats used it like a carrot on a stick.

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I understand not wanting to do violence, trust me I do. I hope I never have to hurt anyone in my life, so far I haven't done so physically or on purpose. It does need to be done though. We are having violence done to us and it is okay to respond violently.

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[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca -5 points 6 months ago (8 children)

You would probably refer to me as an authoritarian yeah

You are correct

And the answer to rising fascism is not trying to replace a popular authoritarian with an unpopular one.

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[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Then you expose your utter lack of understanding of what the term "authoritarian" means.

Violence is not inherently authoritarian. Violence is a valid means of self defense against those who are violent.

Or do you wish to try and say that anarchists are authoritarian?

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[+] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca -6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

You should probably read what OP wrote and what I responded to.

Military control to prevent an opponent from taking power is almost literally the definition of authoritarian.

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[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You should probably go re-read what else they wrote and follow past that to their actual beliefs rather than stopping at their explanation of Democrat's inaction and lack of utilization of their own powers to oppose fascism through the system they are a part of.

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[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

Just because you like why they'd do it doesn't make it less authoritarian.

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[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 months ago

Are you so naive to think the US government isn't already authoritarian in its current structure? They explained how an AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENT possessed the means to prevent fascism yet neglected to use those means because they care more about holding power than stopping fascism.

You clearly neglected to read their full comment, as they explicitly said it WAS authoritarian methods by which the Democrats could have stopped the rise of fascism.

They also explicitly stated that they were against the system entirely and explained their own personal perspective but you clearly have ignored all of that to continue to be a pedantic twat who can't tell the difference between an explanation and personal support of something

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml [S] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I agree, the goal would be the authority of workers to be popular first.

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[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca -5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

No idea what you're trying to say.

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml [S] 5 points 6 months ago

Communism

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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

They committed treason and tried to overturn a free and fair election. They should have been given a kangaroo court show trial and publicly hanged on the national mall for their crimes.

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[–] Fedegenerate@fedinsfw.app 7 points 6 months ago (5 children)

The very fact the Dems won in an election is a demonstration that they weren't battling fascists yet.

Liberal's inability to recognise fascism until after the fact is part of the reason why liberals are so ineffective in the face of it.

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[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca -1 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Just like in Hungary this week?

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[–] mmcintyre@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

This week is definitely after the fact of Orban's 16 years in office.

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[–] Fedegenerate@fedinsfw.app 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The very fact the Dems won in an election is a demonstration that they weren't battling fascists yet.

This you?

You don't believe Hungary was battling fascism by virtue of them being defeated in an election.

Could you expand a little on why you believe Hungary, having an election, shows Liberals efficacy against fascism? While also believing that Dems, winning an election, shows they weren't battling fascism yet.

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[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 4 points 6 months ago*

The won after 16 years of corrupt rule. Hardly a shining example.

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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

That remains to be seen. First, a conservative defeated Orban, not someone liberal let alone progressive. But until Orban is in a jail cell, it remains to be seen whether the new guys actually intend to battle fascism. Or will they declare "it's time to move on" and let the fascists off the hook, thus ensuring they have another chance at it?