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I'm so tired (lemmy.ml)
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[–] [S] 15 points 6 months ago* (12 children)

Fascist should not be treated the same as a normal political opponent. You NEED to purge them from your government as soon as possible. You can spot proto-fascists, it is possible. Why in gods green earth would you wait until they have established power to challenge them, that's stupid as hell. I'm sorry if it disturbs your liberal sensibilities but fascists deserve to be oppressed. They won't hesitate to oppress you when they get power

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  • [+] -9 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    Unfortunately, everyone can call anyone a fascist. That's the entire problem.

    Any system wherein one group can just dismantle another because of their politics will be abused. If whatever magical law/mechanism your nonsense required existed and had been used after the 2020 election, trump's successor would simply have done the same thing to the Democrats next time but we'd be even worse off as there would be no constraints on their power and no viable opposition, unlike the Dems who now stand a Puncher's chance in the goddamn Senate.

    Being the good guy is difficult but the road you propose inexorably leads to authoritarianism.

    I get that politics is slow and boring but this isn't a video game.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (9 children)

    Pacifism is not a virtue in and of itself. These people are going to murder me and the people who are supposed to prevent that have done nothing of value. I'm sorry your precious liberal values stop you from defending yourself. If liberal democracy can do nothing to prevent fascism then liberal democracy should be replaced.

    my other commentMy problem is not with the individual my issue is with the deomcratic party. You are correct that there wasn't anything Biden could actually do on his own. It would take a collective effort and likely military cooperation. It would cause political mayhem and be detrimental to the country as a whole and possibly destroyed the democratic party. It could prevent fascism though. I'm not saying any of this is easy or legal but it could have prevented fascism. Instead they did nothing of consequence.

    I am personally of the opinion that fascism is incapable of being prevented through official means under capitalist liberal democracy so everything I say here is effectively meaningless. I'm sort of arguing that people in a system incapable of stopping fascism should have just done it anyway. Point is, you either have to accept that the democrats did nothing to stop fascism or that capitalist liberal democracy is incapable of stopping it and should be abandoned. Assuming you agree that the Trump administration is fascist.

    You would probably refer to me as an authoritarian yeah but I think the term is meaningless. As far as I'm concerned all states are authoritarian and my endgoal is the dissolution of all states.

    Edit: Roe v Wade should have been codified far before they had the chance to dismantle it but the democrats used it like a carrot on a stick.

    for added detail

    I understand not wanting to do violence, trust me I do. I hope I never have to hurt anyone in my life, so far I haven't done so physically or on purpose. It does need to be done though. We are having violence done to us and it is okay to respond violently.

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  • [–] -5 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    You would probably refer to me as an authoritarian yeah

    You are correct

    And the answer to rising fascism is not trying to replace a popular authoritarian with an unpopular one.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Then you expose your utter lack of understanding of what the term "authoritarian" means.

    Violence is not inherently authoritarian. Violence is a valid means of self defense against those who are violent.

    Or do you wish to try and say that anarchists are authoritarian?

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  • [+] -6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    You should probably read what OP wrote and what I responded to.

    Military control to prevent an opponent from taking power is almost literally the definition of authoritarian.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    You should probably go re-read what else they wrote and follow past that to their actual beliefs rather than stopping at their explanation of Democrat's inaction and lack of utilization of their own powers to oppose fascism through the system they are a part of.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Just because you like why they'd do it doesn't make it less authoritarian.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Are you so naive to think the US government isn't already authoritarian in its current structure? They explained how an AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENT possessed the means to prevent fascism yet neglected to use those means because they care more about holding power than stopping fascism.

    You clearly neglected to read their full comment, as they explicitly said it WAS authoritarian methods by which the Democrats could have stopped the rise of fascism.

    They also explicitly stated that they were against the system entirely and explained their own personal perspective but you clearly have ignored all of that to continue to be a pedantic twat who can't tell the difference between an explanation and personal support of something

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