U.S. Vice President JD Vance said on April 14 that he is proud of Washington cutting off funding to Ukraine amid Russian aggression, listing it among the Trump administration's top achievements.

Speaking at a Turning Point USA event in Athens, Georgia, Vance recalled being confronted by a Ukrainian-American over his calls to halt funding for Ukraine.

"And this person got really agitated at me because I was saying we should stop funding the Ukraine war," Vance said.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] 127 points 6 months ago (147 children)

Hey R voters and sitouts: proud yet?

  • source
  • hideshow 147 child comments
  • [–] [S] 78 points 6 months ago (89 children)

    But they had to sit out the election because of Palestine!

    Not that they care that Trump just lifted all restrictions on Bibi in Gaza, the morally important thing is to teach Harris a lesson!

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 89 child comments
  • [–] 40 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    And signal their inability to tell between different levels of evil, or to see things beyond a 14-day timeframe, apparently.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    They don't want to understand that harris was the lesser evil from where to start something new. But they are also coward enough to not admit that by not voting, they put pedohitler and harris at the same level.

    They won't ever admit it because they know it means that they couldn't see anything worse on the child rapist than in harris. In the end, for them, raping children and supporting israhell not worse than just supporting israhell, meaning that for them, raping children is not something to consider when voting for a president.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago

    There's the child-raping, and then there's the whole barreling towards a cyberpunk hellhole that Trump and the heritage foundation are engineering. This doesn't seem like a difficult choice to make, I honestly can't understand these people.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    I think when it comes to those people, my judgement is fair: they are amoral idiots who are maybe worse than trump supporters. Trump supporters proudly exclaim they're involved in fascism and everything else that history taught us is horrendous. The protest non voting "leftist" not only hides what they are, they seek to maximize the number of others who increase the damage. Then they want you to feel morally inferior if you didn't join them in helping to destroy the social fabric.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    People not wanting blood on their hands is not an endorsement of Republicans doing more of the same.

    Children... 😞

    Didn't Mom and Dad teach you about the US system of government? That a vote is for a better option not a perfect option? That you're voting for the public benefit? That it's sometimes about just keeping things from getting worse?

    "I didn't vote" means your didn't do even the bare minimum thing you could have done to have stopped Trump. You're culpable.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • load more comments (3 replies)
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] [S] 17 points 6 months ago (16 children)

    And then for the next 4 years you see nothing being done to prevent fascism

    While Biden should have done more, Trump was put on trial. The system could and should have worked, and Trump would be in prison, except for the corrupt judges instated by Republicans who sabotaged the trials. Especially SCROTUS.

    And now the sitouts, who you are sympathetic to, has just put Republicans in power again. And Republicans are appointing more corrupt judges, stacking the courts. All because of sitouts. And then when Democrats are in power again, sitouts will again complain about Democrats doing nothing when those corrupt judges block Democrats. Fuck sitouts, they are stupid.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 16 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] [S] 13 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Absolute low-hanging fruits like fixing the healthcare system and affordability.

    Voters did not give Democrats the votes in Congress for this.

    Sometimes I think Americans just don't know how democracy works at all. If you do not give a party legislative power, then you can't blame that party for not passing legislation.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] [S] 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Trump lies. Trump has just caused huge inflation, with the oil crisis caused by the Iran War. Would you be happy if Democrats just lied too?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • load more comments (3 replies)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    Hello! We offer you a child rapist, convicted felon who supports bibi the nazi, that plans to install nazism in your country and take you back 500 years in rights and quality of life OR a stablishment candidate that will keep things as they are now.

    Apparently, things before trump were so awfully worse than people had a hard time between staying the same and voting for the child rapist, convicted felon who supports bibi the nazi, that plans to install nazism in your country and take you back 500 years in rights and quality of life.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (2 replies)
  • [+] 7 points 6 months ago (18 children)
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [+] 6 points 6 months ago (16 children)
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • load more comments (10 replies)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (26 children)

    "bad things happened, fuck it I'll help more bad things happen" will never be the reasonable take you're trying to say it is.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 26 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    I find your focus on assfucking strange. It's almost as if you're as afraid of it as these sitouts are of admitting responsibility.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 9 child comments
  • load more comments (3 replies)
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    What primary happened in 2024? Also how did it work out in 2016 when Bernie was running and the party was effectively sabotaging him by backing Clinton instead.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • load more comments (2 replies)
  • load more comments (8 replies)
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (7 children)

    Probably because we thought through how ludicrous your argument was 20 years ago. Before you were born.

    And all this was discussed ad nauseum from 2023-2024. We don't need to prove any of the basic 4th grade logic to you.

    It's not really a hard concept that I said I'd ignore your future ramblings. It's for the benefit of other people thinking the same.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (4 replies)
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Strawman fallacy, these people do not support the genocide, they support electing the lesser evil.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    Are you referring to the 2022 bombing of a maternity hospital in Mariupol, the 2024 bombing of a maternity hospital in Kyiv, or the 2025 attacks against children’s hospitals in Kherson, Kharkiv, Kamianske, and Odessa? (These are just the results from the first page of search results.)

    Or are you referring to Russia literally stealing Ukrainian children from their families to try to erase their culture?

    I say those things to say this: We can all pretend to be stupid when it suits us. I know you weren’t thinking of Ukrainian children. It suits me right now to ensure those examples are fresh on your mind.

    The game of politics is still being played even if you chose to make moves that didn’t contribute strategically. The U.S. system is not democratic, and unless it is reformed, voters must compromise their morals to achieve some of their aims. It sucks, but it’s the reality.
    You made a call. You thought it was the most moral thing you could do at the time.

    Rather than attack your past decisions, or try to convince you to see things from my worldview — I want to ask if you could go back in time and explain the current state of the world to yourself do you think you would make the same voting decisions again?

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    How do you not understand those words? Lesser evil: the less evil one, which Biden is compared to Trump. And you voted on something that was never going to happen, which basically makes it a non-vote. Voting for Biden isn't anyone's end game, it's about doing what can be done with the current choices, then after that hope for an even lesser evil to vote and so on. This thread is about you, but you clearly don't comprehend that.

  • source
  • parent
  • load more comments (3 replies)
  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (24 children)

    So took you took action that helped the GOP, instead of biting the sour apple and trying to prevent the GOP from winning, you helped fracture the opposition to them, for what?

    The weird satisfaction of avoiding a hypothetical scenario that would have been less bad than the current one.

    Give yourself a nickel, you played yourself well.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 24 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (21 children)

    With the current political system in the US when you have a system based on FPTP, a ridiculously undemocratic system, you can't use normal democratic rules.

    You need to play the game within the rules.

    The green party has zero chance to get into congress or gain any influence, they will only steal votes from the Democrats, and that will only serve the GOP.

    Until the US rids it self from FPTP, any vote for any other party other than the Dems will gain the GOP.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 21 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (18 children)

    I get your feeling of hopelessness, the best you can do right now is to work to promote proportional representation over FPTP, and while doing that keep voting to keep the GOP out of power, meaning voting democrat.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 18 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I want you to limit the harm caused by the US.

    You are laser focused on Palestine, but look beyond that, would Kamela have kidnapped, Venezuela's president, would she have blockaded Cuba, would she have attacked Iran, alienated NATO and other allies, stopped helping Ukraine?

    There is more going on here than Palestine.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • load more comments (3 replies)
  • load more comments (11 replies)
  • load more comments (2 replies)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Republicans literally don't give a shit about Ukraine.

    I've made the mistake before of assuming they had a basic sense of human decency. I pointed out that trump and congressional republicans would pull funding for Ukrainian defense, and I was blindsided when someone responded to me as if they view that as a good thing.

    I was flabbergasted, dumbfounded. What do you even say to that? How do you even debate someone who lacks any semblance of logic or empathy?

    And yet the same people think it's fine that we're still giving bombs to Israel, and launching billion-dollar rockets at Iranian civilians.

    It's absolutely insane.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    A lot of them are proud of this. Many R voters were complaining about aid being sent to Ukraine. I know my mom was.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    I gave up trying to explain to the sitouts why they did wrong. But they refuse to understand even the most basic concept of the lesser evil. All you hear when you discuss with them is "lib", "libtard", some basic insults and a fixed set of "reasons" why they couldn't get to vote for harris and why it's not their fault at all that pedohitler is president.

    They are just cowards who refuse to admit they fucked up greatly. It's always someone else's fault with them.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 9 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Fine, let's work out a system that's better and get it in place. In the meantime, this is the system we have: a two-party system. In the case of the last election, one candidate was clearly far, far more abhorrent than the other. If you can't see or admit that, then we don't have anything to discuss. Anyone who saw that, yet didn't vote, is complicit in us ending up with the far worse option.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (3 replies)
  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Maybe there wouldnt be so many sit outs if the Democratic party actually tried to help people, or at least said they will. People are fucking stupid. Whether you think voting for the lesser evil is logically correct or not, that's evidently not how the average American feels. Running an uninspiring, pro genocide campaign doesn't encourage people who don't feel targeted by current politics to engage.

    If there's ever another fair election, they simply have to do better. The bar was in the floor and they couldn't clear it.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (6 replies)