U.S. Vice President JD Vance said on April 14 that he is proud of Washington cutting off funding to Ukraine amid Russian aggression, listing it among the Trump administration's top achievements.

Speaking at a Turning Point USA event in Athens, Georgia, Vance recalled being confronted by a Ukrainian-American over his calls to halt funding for Ukraine.

"And this person got really agitated at me because I was saying we should stop funding the Ukraine war," Vance said.

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[–] 0 points 6 months ago (63 children)

I used to be critical of sitouts but over time I've grown more sympathetic towards them. Imagine voting out Trump with the expectation that Trump is going to come swinging next election and democrats will prepare to make sure fascism doesn't get a foothold in America. And then for the next 4 years you see nothing being done to prevent fascism and what worse, you see democrats capitulate to fascists and normalize fascism by moving to the right themselves. I too would get jaded about voting when there's no "I don't want fascists" option. What failed America weren't the sitouts. It's the decades of political apathy letting corporations take over politics, which has led to republicans going full fascist and democrats turning into controlled opposition.

Blaming the sitouts isn't going to solve anything because what are they supposed to do? Voting for democrats isn't going to get rid of the fascists, it's only going to delay until the democrats themselves turn openly fascist. Obviously they shouldn't vote for the republican party because that's a lost cause. Voting current third party candidates is kinda pointless because of how the political system works. So what's the solution you expect from the sitouts? I'dsay sitouts have nothing to do until there's a schism in the democratic party and the progressives split from the establishment democrats. Then sitouts should vote for the progressives and I imagine the vast majority of them will because then they'll actually have someone willing to represent them.

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 6 months ago (16 children)

    And then for the next 4 years you see nothing being done to prevent fascism

    While Biden should have done more, Trump was put on trial. The system could and should have worked, and Trump would be in prison, except for the corrupt judges instated by Republicans who sabotaged the trials. Especially SCROTUS.

    And now the sitouts, who you are sympathetic to, has just put Republicans in power again. And Republicans are appointing more corrupt judges, stacking the courts. All because of sitouts. And then when Democrats are in power again, sitouts will again complain about Democrats doing nothing when those corrupt judges block Democrats. Fuck sitouts, they are stupid.

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago (15 children)

    Do you know what would've kept Trump away? Absolute low-hanging fruits like fixing the healthcare system and affordability. Democrats could've taken a "what's a social democracy" checklist, put half of them as their campaign promises and had a landslide victory. The democrats didn't need to put Trump in prison to prevent him, all they needed to do was give the people what they need and they couldn't even do that because it would hurt their corporate overlords.

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Absolute low-hanging fruits like fixing the healthcare system and affordability.

    Voters did not give Democrats the votes in Congress for this.

    Sometimes I think Americans just don't know how democracy works at all. If you do not give a party legislative power, then you can't blame that party for not passing legislation.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    So Trump can run on affordability but democrats can't?

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Trump lies. Trump has just caused huge inflation, with the oil crisis caused by the Iran War. Would you be happy if Democrats just lied too?

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    Last time you gave Democrats the slimmest temporary filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, they passed Obamacare. Which while imperfect was a huge leap forward for health care for the poor in America.

    And it wasn't even a real majority - they had to court independent Lieberman, who demanded that Democrats drop the public option as a condition for his vote.

    If they actually tried to work towards getting those things to pass

    Are you aware of the policy plans Harris put forward? I haven't read them myself, but people who read them said they were quite good.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago

    Harris was on the right track in some points but even those those points weren't good enough and in some cases she ended up campaigning against her own points by refusing to distance herself from the Biden administration.

    • Child care should get better but her tax credit is kind of a drop in the bucket compared to the costs of having a child.
    • Healthcare should be free not get an extension of reduced premiums
    • First time homebuyer tax credit wasn't enough to make houses affordable
    • And her affordability plan wasn't to make things more affordable

    Furthermore people have a serious issue with the economy because things were getting more expensive while purchasing power was going down. Biden claimed everything was fine and Harris refused to oppose that though it was clear to everyone that things were bad. That is what Trump tapped into with his affordability claims. People responded better to a clear lie that acknowledged their hardship instead of ignoring the hardship all together.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    Hello! We offer you a child rapist, convicted felon who supports bibi the nazi, that plans to install nazism in your country and take you back 500 years in rights and quality of life OR a stablishment candidate that will keep things as they are now.

    Apparently, things before trump were so awfully worse than people had a hard time between staying the same and voting for the child rapist, convicted felon who supports bibi the nazi, that plans to install nazism in your country and take you back 500 years in rights and quality of life.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Do you want to go full fash in a couple of years? Or go slowly and maybe work in the meanwhile to change things?

    And, are you telling me that by the end of biden's presidency things were as bad as they are now?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You didn't have to choose pedohitler. He could have lost if all the sitouts voted against him. And for 2028 he would be dead.

    But by electing him in 2024, you probably killed democracy in the country. I guess it was better than electing a non-nazi candidate... Well, what to say? Enjoy your choice. The rest of the world is certainly enjoying it and can't wait to pay you back for all the enjoyment your choice is causing us.

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    As I pointed out in my other comment, they didn't need to throw Trump in jail. Had they campaigned on what people actually need (you know shit that is common sense in other western nations like free healthcare, affordable housing, workers rights, free education) they would've easily beaten Trump. This notion that they needed to lock up Trump to win is exactly what is wrong with the democratic party. It's not focusing on what they can do for the people, it's focusing on what they can do to be in power. Demand more from the democrats.

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  • [+] 6 points 6 months ago (16 children)
  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (10 children)

    And people don't vote for them because they never offer the voters what they want. Do you see the problem here?

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    That is not how representational democracy works. The politicians represents what you want and then you vote for them. It doesn't work the other way around where you vote for a politician and then maybe they'll do what you want them to do. Is it their job to know what you want BECAUSE IT IS THEIR JOB TO FUCKING REPRESENT YOU.

    It shouldn't come as a surprise that sympathy towards Israel is waning, there are multiple polls from multiples sources showing that. So why hasn't the democratic party taken a more anti-Israel stance? Is it because they're too fucking incompetent at their job to know what the people want (in which case why the fuck would you vote for them in the first place) or is it because they don't care what the people want because they get money from AIPAC?

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  • [+] 2 points 6 months ago (7 children)
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    One effective way to let them know is to vote the ones, who have forgotten, out and vote the ones, who know what their job is, in.

    And when your options are between voting for the ones who have forgotten and the ones who also have forgotten, what vote do you cast? It's almost like it doesn't matter which way you vote, so why vote at all? Maybe if the politicians cared about votes they'd figure out why they're not getting votes.

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  • [+] 5 points 6 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children)

    And you get the current American political landscape where democrats have no incentive to do what you want because what are you going to do? Vote for the fascist?

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  • [+] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    And how did voting against fascists work out in 2020? Did you feel like your life improved between 2020 and 2024 or did you feel like you're still getting the same shit every day except ever so slightly worse?

    You're not voting against fascists. You're just voting for the people paving the way for fascists. Because your material conditions are going to keep getting worse and worse until you're so desperate that you turn to fascism in hopes of getting a better life (which just to be clear is always going to be a lie) or you're going to drown in apathy and not vote and then the desperate voters vote fascism in.

    You're not seeing the big picture here. It doesn't matter which way you vote, both votes end up going for fascism. The only difference is whether the fascism happens now or later. And you could argue that later is still better because at least it's not now, but if there's no escape (which in the current political landscape there isn't as long as the democrats stay the way they are) that later might as well not exist because fascism would be inevitable. You're just kicking the can down the road and prolonging the suffering of everyone.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    This buys too far into the claim that Republicans are all hicks afraid of communism; something Russian bots suggest heavily to keep America divided. When Bernie and AOC toured the nation, they saw that people overwhelmingly support universal healthcare. Many of them, in 2024, foolishly believed vague claims by Trump that he was going to "revamp" healthcare, not cut it.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    Some morons yell communism and vote against them. Other morons cry that they didn't get a pony and stay home.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (26 children)

    "bad things happened, fuck it I'll help more bad things happen" will never be the reasonable take you're trying to say it is.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    "shit is bad and I have a choice between shit getting worse fast or slow, so I don't care which I choose because both options lead to shit going bad".

    This is so fucking ignorant. People are literally dying worldwide because of the actions of these people in 2025

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Yeah. And none of it would've happened if the democrats had actually tried to appeal to their voters instead of pulling the same "but our hands are tied so we won't even try" shit they've been doing for decades. Do you want a pad on the back for it happening in 2025 and not 2022-2023? Had Harris been voted it would be happening in 2029. You're missing the big picture. This was always going to happen because there's no pushback against fascism, there's only kicking the can down the road.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (22 children)

    You just illustrated in your own analogy perfectly what our point is. These people never had a real choice if they cared about the outcome, they just wanted to feel blameless for the bad choice they wanted to make.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    I find your focus on assfucking strange. It's almost as if you're as afraid of it as these sitouts are of admitting responsibility.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    I do want a dildo up my ass, why do you want to hate people for it?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (6 children)

    You do realize the dildo is an analogy for fascism and you just said you do want fascism?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Do you realize your analogy is homophobic as fuck and you're an idiot?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I can't say I care what a fascist thinks.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (3 children)

    Ok, in case you really are confused and not just trolling...

    Sex: a thing people do in private (mostly) for their personal fun and pleasure
    Fascism: an evil ideology

    These are not comparable in any way. I hope this helps, have a good day.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Apparently someone kidnapping you, tying you to a chair and sticking a dildo up your ass isn't torture, it's just sex. The more you know.

    How about this. I'll change my analogy just for you because your head is so in the gutter you can't see anything beyond sex. You get waterboarded for 9 minutes or 6 minutes. Do you think the choice matters?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    But you never wrote anything about being kidnapped, tied down or forced before this message, it was all in your idiot homophobe troll brain. Please try to be better.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    I also wrote nothing about sex, that was all in your sex-crazed mind.

    EDIT: You know what, while we're at it how about you explain how it's homophobic. I think it's actually more homophobic to assume only same sex people are into sticking things into their partners rectums, you know feels kinda like you're embracing reductive stereotypes here.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    Your analogy explicitly lays out the options and just whining about there not existing a third option does not change anything.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    If sitting out somehow resulted in a redo instead of the worse option winning, you'd have a point.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    You can cry about it all you want, but in the system we have right now one of two people was going to win and by not voting for Harris, you helped Trump win.

    All your analogies are fucking awful, by the way. A better one here would have been your town has two restaurants, a Chinese place and an Italian place. But you want Mexican so you decide to just not eat. Even that is still flawed because you'll come up with some BS answer like "I'll cook at home" to sidestep the problem.

    And if you think invading fucking Michigan and starting a war in Iraq after mass pardoning a bunch of insurrectionists (some of whom have since faced charges of child molestation) in addition to all the other horrendous shit Trump is doing is somehow not different from a milquetoast establishment candidate who would have maintained the status quo, then I don't think there's a sensible discussion to be had.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    What primary happened in 2024? Also how did it work out in 2016 when Bernie was running and the party was effectively sabotaging him by backing Clinton instead.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    Oh right. I forgot it actually happened because it was such a sham it might as well have not happened. That primary was the equivalent of a democratic election in Russia, which is to say the outcome was predetermined and the rest was just getting the apparatus to show that outcome. If you truly believe that primary would've changed anything you're delusional.

    Edit: I'll also add that the "vote blue no matter who" pretty quickly went to running Cuomo as an independent instead of giving full support to the primary winner, Mamdani. All the slogans of unity and standing together apply only when it's the candidate the establishment wants.

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