along with the strong censoring that has occurred on reddit throughout the years, they have now removed r/all from the app and while using a desktop/laptop browser. instead of being able to stumble upon new subreddits you never knew existed, it wants to curate what you're allowed to see

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[–] 15 points 7 months ago (84 children)

Mods here removed a quote from tropic thunder to describe Reddit.

Unfortunately the types of people that moderate community forms are overly sensitive losers and the word for slow in French.

This was a problem on reddit and is a problem here. The cancer that started there will recur as long as we have unaccountable unelected basement dwellers that want to play hall monitor online and can't get laid.

Fuck reddit. Fuck powertripping mods. Fuck hall monitor nerds that put their thumb on the scales of open dialogue on forums.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Unfortunately the types of people that moderate community forms are overly sensitive losers and the word for slow in French.

    Forum moderation corroded the human soul. It's a thankless job that mostly involves policing the most perverse, belligerent, and degenerate people.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago* (59 children)

    I get that it's a quote, one that many people find funny, but it is also rooted in ableism and hasn't exactly aged super well. It's not like your comment was removed for "wrongthink," it was removed for violating a social norm that has evolved since that movie came out. Just my two cents. 🤷‍♀️

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago* (22 children)

    whose social norm?

    this is the issue. you assume your social norms are shared by everyone. they aren't. and then mods and such impose their social norms on everyone else rather than let the users decide what content they want to see.

    i watched it happen countless times. community is pretty chill, but then a mod comes in and starts banning people who have been here for months/years over word choices or 'tone' or other petty nonsense because they want the community to only reflect their own personal norms and beliefs.

    in real life you can go from town to town and the details of the norms and language change, that's what's normal. in some towns saying some words in heinous, in others, nobody cares.

    it also doesn't take into account the concept of context, which again, doesn't exist for the sensitivity police who think all words mean the same things at all times and therefore must be banned from existence. let alone experiences, beliefs, or all the other things that actually make a community genuine diverse and interesting. the sensitivity police want to stamp out genuine diversity and create some weird linguistic police state nonsense where only certain things are permitted.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago*

    There are 2 broad categories of social contract. "Everything which is not forbidden is allowed", and "Everything which is not allowed is forbidden". Most modern societies hew to the former.

    Demanding a justification for use of a word is the latter. Demanding a justification for it's ban is the former.

    "Does one really have to ban the use of the word “retard” to make a community diverse and interesting?" is a more reasonable question. And since you just used the word, you should be against it's blanket ban.

    The hard truth of it is we can't reduce the social contract down to mechanistic rules. It fails at both allowing reasonable speech and stopping unreasonable people. You can't encode "don't be a jerk" into rules, it takes judgement to see if someone is being disruptive to a community.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    So, where the hell do you want to draw the lines, and why does that location not make you a product of exactly what you're accusing everyone else of?

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago* (6 children)

    I only draw lines for myself. I am not arrogant to claim to speak for anyone else.

    I also draw the lines based on context of the existing community, god forbid!

    If you don't like certain words, cool, don't interact go go to places that allow them. But the issue is your need to impose your personal beliefs on others who don't share them, and don't want to share them.

    Should I go into a black barber shop and start informing the community there how racist/ableist/sexist they all are based on their language use? Or would that just make me the racist?

    From where I stand, that would make me the racist POS if I did that. Trying to impose my bullshit on other people who never asked for it, who don't want it, and think it's total bullshit. Maybe I should go into the barber shop and 'educate' all those 'ignorant' black men about bell hooks!!! Clearly that will 'fix' their ignorance!!

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    I only draw lines for myself.

    Yet here you are telling people where they're not allowed to draw lines for others.

    I am not arrogant to claim to speak for anyone else.

    this is the issue. you assume your social norms are shared by everyone. they aren’t. and then mods and such impose their social norms on everyone else rather than let the users decide what content they want to see.

    That's you, speaking for everyone else.

    Trying to impose my bullshit on other people who never asked for it,

    nobody asked for what you're saying now.

    You're literally trying to define the social norm while telling eveyone else they should not get to pick the social norm.

    Advocating for eveyrone to refuse to censor anything is same trap as advocating for people to censor things.

    And there will always be lines. Gonna block outright harassment? Gonna block kiddie pics, Gonna block a bunch of people organizing how to cut the power to a town, kill people, get away with murder?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    It was a social norm to call black people the N word for generations... Social norms do not define good or bad behavior. They define what people find acceptable. Socially, the word you wish to be acceptable has made more and more people uncomfortable and has in fact become less and less socially acceptable to use casually. Many words you used to use are weird now. Growing up we used to say "frick" unironically. These days it would be a little strange to toss that in as a filler word. It's the same concept except for the fact that the word has not become a slur, it's just been outdated in its use.

    Language evolves and words become acceptable and others become unacceptable. It's the way it goes and is not a sign of sensitivity, instead a positive sign of progression of language. You are fighting against the nature of how language develops.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

    Using ableist terminology in quoting a dated joke is more than just "tone." Everyone should feel welcome on Lemmy, including people with intellectual disability. That type of language marginalizes such people and has moved into being unacceptable. This isn't stamping out diversity, it's protecting it.

    The logic here is pretty clear, it isn't just someone randomly playing weird linguistic police. I totally get where you're coming from, and I agree with you in principle, but I also feel like this particular case is just not the hill to die on.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    It’s not about logic. It’s about you waking up the fact you don’t get to dictate how other people live their lives or how they speak, and your need to do that is nothing more than a power-tripping projection.

    Oh dude, I grew up on 4chan. I don't personally give a single crap how you talk, I'm just saying why it is how it is. I have no desire to control your speech whatsoever.

    That’s why this type of identity political nonsense pisses most people off

    Pretty sure most people understand the reasoning and move on with their lives.

    Anyway, I'm gonna leave you with this and dip now.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

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    You're literally having an emotional crash out and there's no talking with you. You're projecting your preconceived notions onto me while ignoring anything I say. So I repeat, I hope your day gets better.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    I wasn't arguing, I was trying to have a discussion. I've already told you that I have no desire to police your speech and you just completely ignored me. You've angrily built up a crazy strawman argument just to tear it down despite the fact I'm not saying any of the things you seem to think that I am. You don't even care to try to see anything from someone else's perspective. Talk about empathy. I've shared that I see your point, and agree with it on many levels. You're a brick wall. Please learn to communicate. Sheesh.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago (35 children)

    "Ableism" I stopped reading here. I'm so tired of you armchair activists and your bullshit. Get a job. If someone says something you don't like, get over it!

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Do you know what "ableism" means? Like, have you ever stopped to think about it? Can you define it?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (25 children)

    Spoken like a true MAGA supporter.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    "I'm not a MAGAt, I'll have you knooooow I'm a proud liberal ;)" Cringe.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (6 children)

    You are having a freakout in this thread dude, take a break. Won't respond to anything else from this cringelord.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    flamewar

    Oh god. And to think you stopped reading at the word "ableism" lmao

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (19 children)

    Oh, you're mad that you can't use a slur? That's like, the powertripping? People leave reddit because of chuds like you hombre.

    Edit: check his account, its a ragebot or something.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (8 children)

    Bigoted man believes others are sensitive because he can't decide what is and is not a slur for everyone else. Beautiful.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Any word that expresses a negative connotation about a group becomes a slur over time. And then a new word is chosen, which becomes a slur eventually as well. I think trying to make ideas impossible to say by banning the words used to say them is futile.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (2 children)

    I don't say slurs. It's not nice.

    That doesn't mean I think trying to force others to behave like I do is moral or productive. (Or nice. A bit coercive.)

    This should not be hard to understand. I also don't drink, and would not ban booze.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (8 children)

    Language is an evolving, organic tool, and attempting to police it usually says more about the person doing the policing than the person speaking. When we start labeling certain verbiage as "correct" or "incorrect," we aren't actually protecting the language; we are just enforcing a personal or social preference.

    Communication is about the transmission of ideas. If the message was received, the language did its job. Whether it was delivered with a academic precision or through "crass" slang is irrelevant to its functional success. Demanding that everyone adhere to a specific aesthetic or moral standard of speech is just a subtle way of trying to control how others express their reality. If you make certain words the enemy, you're essentially arguing for a narrow, sterilized version of expression that leaves no room for the raw or the unconventional. It's better to engage with the actual argument being made rather than retreating into the safety of tone policing.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Threatening people with retribution doesn't prove the moral authority of your argument.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    you're right but i don't think he was threatening me, i think he's just being difficult because nuance is scary

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    "Go ahead and act how I disagree with and see what happens to you" is an indirect threat.

    And this is coming from someone who does not use slurs, and does not think others should. But trying to ban them is futile; the hate still exists and will be expressed otherwise even if you succeed.

    There are SO MANY things that people shouldn't do that it's wrong to stop them from doing.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (1 child)

    oh, you right.

    trying to ban them is futile

    as an author, slurs in dialogue are really handy. they're intensely evocative phrases when spoken in anger or hate, and humanizing when spoken in jest. i just really hate it when someone goes on the internet to shoulder the plight of every ethnicity and creed and shouts on their assumed behalf, "no one should use mean words ever"

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I think it's especially harmful; it's tantamount to pretending things don't happen. You need to show people being terrible in fiction for it to be a full portrayal of the human condition. It's part of what we were, it's part of what we are, and if we have any hope of making it not part of what we will be that's not going to come about by insisting we don't talk about it.

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