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  • [–] 35 points 8 months ago* (35 children)

    Show me the data that proves piracy actually causes a tangible loss for the developer for DRM to actually be needed.

    (hint: it doesn't exist. It instead shows most pirates weren't going to buy the thing anyway, so they don't make any more money by adding garbage like Denuvo)

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (32 children)

    Why is pirating inherently dishonest in your opinion?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (21 children)

    Since we all know your actual thought without even being told: Making a copy is not theft.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (19 children)

    I'm not going to argue with you about it

    Yeah... Because you don't have a leg to stand on. 🙄

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (16 children)

    Then why the fuck do you keep running your mouth?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    I’m typing words. Haven’t said a thing. And I’m done with this. You clearly want to argue and I’m not about that.

    Maybe chill out a bit and accept that some people might disagree with you.

    Lol

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  • [+] [S] 4 points 8 months ago (9 children)
  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Denuvo has been caught astroturfing on social media before. It wouldn't surprise me if they actually were being paid.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I thought you said you were done. Why you still here? Working overtime?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Shame. It's a more nuanced discussion than you seem to believe.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    You think game developers don’t deserve to be paid for their work.

    I literally do not think that though. This is that nuance I was talking about that you're afraid to engage with. Not everybody pirates games and then never buys them.

    I'm very tight on money and cannot buy every game I'm interested in. So I pirate games and treat them as demos. If I dislike the game, I stop playing it, and no harm is done since I would have either never bought it or refunded it regardless. If I like the game, I'll buy it at the first opportunity.

    Esoteric Ebb is the most recent example of that, I played it for a few hours and it immediately jumped to the #2 spot on my wishlist. I haven't bought it yet, but I plan to soon. It's also recently happened with Schedule I, and this one I actually got. Me pirating the game has literally earned them a sale they otherwise would not have gotten.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    You know, I had a bunch of screenshots ready of me talking to a friend about pirating the game on discord, talking about my thoughts on the game after doing so, and then screenshots of me getting the game on steam the very next day. But this is already way too much effort put into a discussion with somebody as unserious as you. So I'm going to respect my own privacy and just not do that. Have fun living your life without nuance I guess.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago* (6 children)

    Denuvo adds an obscene amount of checks to the executable, which manifests as an increased CPU load (compare Assassin's Creed Origins with and without it) and poorer performance. It also restricts the game's availability to legitimate paying customers if there's any issue with the "is this a new installation" detector.

    Would-be pirates were never going to pay for it.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    You... either completely missed or completely ignored the point. The point being that, in order to attack the pirates who wouldn't have bought the game anyway, regular paying users are getting screwed over by a significant performance hit.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Denvuo can cause issues for Linux users trying to switch proton versions. Denuvo is also terrible for game preservation. It's not just pirates that are affected negatively.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago (11 children)
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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    What an argument to credible sources disproving you wrong. Trump supporter logic.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    Some of that does sound like Trump supporter logic though. Sounds like a lot of negativity when you talk w people too.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    No no, Rheori has told people that anyone who disagrees with him is actually a Tankie/Trump supporter/Pirate.

    And I'm sure you'll be on his list of enemies too for calling him out. No one is allowed to question him. Only liars do that.

    If one person you meet smells like dogshit, that person probably smells like dogshit. If everyone you meet smells like dogshit, check your shoes.

    And Rhoeri would say everyone else is dogshit, and his shoes don't need cleaned.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    My first Final Fantasy game was a rom a friend all but insisted I play. Before that the idea of random encounters and turned-based combat were a huge turnoff to me, and I had no interest in buying it. Since then I’ve purchased a copy of nearly every game in the series, some more than once for different platforms. Same story for the Trails games and some others.

    That’s a lot of money those companies would never had received if it weren’t for just a little bit of piracy to make a fan out of someone.

    Typically the people I know who pirate because they want to play without paying are doing so because they don’t have the money. As mentioned countless times before, they would not have bought the game otherwise because they probably couldn’t afford it in the first place. Denuvo may (or may not, I don’t actually know) block pirates, but it doesn’t ensure the publisher is making any more money. It does however ensure that regular paying folks get a worse product. I think people have the right to be upset about that. They could just use a different DRM.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Okay just ignore the personal anecdote on how a little bit of piracy actually helped create a long-time paying customer of multiple franchises, I guess.

    (gollumnotlistening.gif)

    But furthermore…

    When Denuvo survives for at least 12 weeks, piracy leads to nearly zero total revenue loss on average. The results suggest that Denuvo does protect legitimate sales to an estimated mean of 15 percent of total revenue and median of 20 percent, but there is little justification to employ Denuvo long-term (i.e. for more than three months), especially given that Denuvo can have negative technical side effects and is generally disliked by users.

    The study itself, linked in the article, states that Denuvo is effective at protecting sales for only about 12 weeks, then it does more long-term harm than good.

    If that’s the case, I wonder how much Denuvo suppresses sales of a game over its lifetime once those 12 weeks are over?

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  • [–] 39 points 8 months ago (15 children)

    Go back to the Steam forums where you belong, bootlicker.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (13 children)

    Except when people provide you with evidence and reasoning you just go "lmao" and leave it at that too.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Sure, just don't pretend you're engaging in logical discussion.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago* (9 children)

    Logic is objective, so saying it's logical "to you" is illogical.

    A sense of humour is irrelevant to a discussion from a logical standpoint. Furthermore, we literally have data and studies that show that piracy doesn't hurt the sales of games— when provided with this evidence in the comments, you just "laughed" at it.

    You ask for reasoning/evidence, and when provided, just laugh at it. Laughter doesn't dismiss evidence.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    The consensus isn't a dislike of DRM in general but a special hatred of Denuvo. Denuvo is especially bad because of how much a performance hog it is. The idea that it's protection will be circumvented eventually but the people who bought copies will have worse performance is the frustrating part. Additionally, Linux users who change their proton version can be slapped with lock outs(usually temp) on games they purchased with no recourse.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    It doesn't hurt the sales of the games, that's an unscientific assertion you are asserting that directly contradicts research.

    If you want to play it for free, nobody's stopping you from pirating it too. It seems like resentment here rather than logical rigour in your argument. It's not a slap in the face for gamers who want to support the developers. If you don't, there's no reason why you should be obligated to purchase the game.

    Games are made and developed for-profit, they only continue production if they are profitable. They've remained profitable despite piracy forever.

    This has nothing to do with the argument that all games should be free or that developers don't need paychecks. It's an entirely different set of claims which nobody is making here.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Let's look at one study and ignore the consensus of studies, right?

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    The developers have a lot of choices in their approach to piracy and they chose a company that makes performance killing restraints that runs concurrent to the software causing poor performance. The game could be fun and run well but it is saddled by the poor business choices of the developer.

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  • [+] [S] 10 points 8 months ago (16 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Speaking of things that Trumpers do… Falsely accuse all opponents of being domestic terrorists or radical leftists and refuse to accept that they might be wrong.

    What if I told you that's exactly what they do and get very mad at you calling it out? Where they have an alt also do that to you? @Rhoeri@piefed.world got banned from a community for doing that, and then cried fowl for them breaking the rules.

    While still insisting I'm an alt of some users. Medication and therapy isn't enough for him. Boomer Facebook brainrot.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

    You made great points!

    @rhoeri@lemmy.world 's entire post history seems to be comments arguing w people. His comment history is a wild ride. I have no idea what it would be like to be that angry and negative all day.

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