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[+] venusaur@lemmy.world -37 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (53 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source hideshow 53 child comments replies: [–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 40 points 8 months ago TIL "fuck nazis" is absolutist rhetoric that makes us equal to Bush Jr. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 46 points 8 months ago (29 children) What part of "fuck nazis" do you disagree with? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 29 child comments replies: [–] jafra@slrpnk.net 21 points 8 months ago Maybe its the space inbetween. He wants to be a fucknazi xD permalink fedilink source parent [+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (22 children) Don't think they disagreed with that part. I think it's just recognizing the complexity of a world where even nazis will call their enemies "nazis" if it's useful to them. The "if you are offended when I call you a nazi you are a nazi" is a weird take to begin with. I think the comment you are replying to isn't arguing with the fuck nazis part, but the behaviour where progressive groups can be divided and conquered by socializing animosity between them. Like when atheists were fighting against the heritage foundation, until they had to defend against claims of being bigots because "wanting to make circumcision generally illegal in the USA means you are pro FGM and you hate women, and if you argue otherwise it is an admission of guilt" And all of the progressives were shamed out until the very groups that were actively fighting groups like the heritage foundation were terraformed into actual incel chud hangouts, while academic feminists were drowned out by the same culture war bullshit, helping to generally paint feminists as cringe karens, rather than a bastion against political movements by groups like the heritage foundation. If you don't know why I keep talking about the heritage foundation, it's because they are the project 2025 people in no small part responsible for the current actual fascist push. But.. That's difficult to explain while confronted by absolutist tribalism. Don't be divided and conquered. It's harder for progressives to coordinate due to group complexity, but it's important not to do the work of the fascists for them. Progressives fighting progressives because its socially expedient to not think about the bigger picture is indeed a big part of why trump is in power, which that comment seems to indicate as a bad thing. That doesn't matter though if you just imagine their comment was "don't be mean to nazis!!" If you just pretend they said that, it's so much easier to do the social peacock thing that has kneecapped progressive/leftist groups, and we can just ignore the failures of this behavior, because self reflection is bad for some reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (4 children) I agree that we have to be careful about who we call nazis, and who they call nazis, but if you get offended by the phrase "fuck nazis", without further context or identifiers, then I'm ok with saying fuck off. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (2 children) But the second part didn't happen. You went straight from 1 to 3. You are jumping to defend nazis. Fuck nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) "you are jumping to defend nazis." where in your addled imagination did i say that? because i've said in several different ways "fuck nazis, and fuck the social mechanisms empowering nazis." but "this framing is bad and has actively helped the nazis." becomes "i love nazis" to people who can't fucking read. which is why they love the uneducated. and why the progressive movements actively fighting this shit for decades have been socially dogpiled into being "cringe," and chastised by insulting people with big words, because only nazis talk about framing and use big words. i often talk about jordon peterson types poisoning this particular well with their intentional bullshit. was it my support for atheist and feminist thinkers? was it my hate for the heritage foundation? what part of that is defending nazis exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago If you don't have a problem with "fuck nazis", then we're good. If you see "fuck nazis" and want to defend them, fuck off. If you're good with "fuck nazis" then we're good. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] dantel@programming.dev 27 points 8 months ago (13 children) There is no 'other part'. The meme literally is about making this one statement and waiting for people to be offended. There is no other statement here. Anything besides this is happening in your head. That's why it's working. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago the points you've shared are repeated ad nauseam by an overwhelming majority that have clearly reasoned them out of misinformation, triggering automatic disregard. (ie akin to the arguments like human nature prevents socialism). there's now doubt that it's willful ignorance given that you try to persist and explain them, but then again so too do the disingenuous. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago* (2 children) we can hate nazis while also being capable of communication past the hypersimplified binaries that are actively useful for nazis. So why are you being useful to Nazis by speaking up and having a hypothetical discourse and being a running dog for Nazism? Sometimes it's just better to not say anything as an antifascist and seeing Nazis show themselves (only Nazis would get triggered/baited to comment on a meme like this) social peacock thing that has kneecapped progressive/leftist groups Interesting lingo you use there Have you dipshit considered that fash seeing no "social peacock" might let them think they're in good company as they're unopposed? You think calling out "virtues signaling" is a good counter that fash have? Why are you doing this for them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago* i showed how this exact failing was useful for the current fascist movement. Yes you sure did show how you're useful for the current fascist movement. i get these concepts from… anti-fascist academics. Do those "anti-fascist academics" say that say that feminists are the real fascists because boobies in vidyagames don't make your pipi hard by any chance? i find this exhausting, because the inability for people to comprehend words past the social signalling is directly responsible for much of the recent fascist success. I don't need to comprehend the words that try to argue why "fuck Nazis" is bad. academics are mean for saying we have to think about context sometimes Have you dipshit considered your posts in the context of this thread? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] dantel@programming.dev 22 points 8 months ago* (7 children) It's so funny how you're using so many words, going out of your way spreading what you think is some ultra deep next level wisdom - just to somehow justify why it's ok to be triggered by 'fuck nazis'. Just so you know, a normal person see this, shrugs and is already on their way to the next thing on their mind. You don't have to have a political agenda to not be triggered by this. You're so simple minded that you don't notice how you're hooked by this primitive mind trick. And that you want to sound like some intellectual on top of that is just so hilarious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] dantel@programming.dev 22 points 8 months ago (5 children) Haha, you still don't get it. So let me explain it to you, real slow and simple. The meme instructs you to post 'fuck nazis' and wait for reactions. There is no engaging besides that one statement. No other context. No discussion. Just this two words. There is absolutely no reason to react to 'fuck nazis' with some deep philosophical discussion on how it might be problematic to call people nazis. This might sound wild to you, so believe it or not, but next to nobody on the planet is being called a nazi. That's not an experience the average person makes. So it's very telling when you actually are triggered. You are forcing a discussion on us nobody asked for. It's so painfully obvious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago Can you please type out the post word for word then explain exactly which line is telling people to call anyone Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dantel@programming.dev 16 points 8 months ago (2 children) Lol. No it doesn't. Here is what it literally says: Post 'fuck nazis'. Watch for the 'don't call people you disagree with nazis!' comments. You found the nazis. Nowhere does it tell you to call out people. The second point tells you to watch for specific kind of comments. That's 100% passive. You know, exactly those kind of comments you provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -8 points 8 months ago* (1 child) "i'm going to ignore all of your points and simplify things again in a way that's convenient for me." literally what MAGA cultists do. "don't call people you disagree with nazis!" is unfortunately also what people say when people call non-nazis 'nazis,' such as progressive groups like feminists or atheists. now suddenly both are nazis? and they have to fight each-other instead of the heritage foundation? why can't a single person here actually engage with this part of the conversation instead of the made up one they want to simplify to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dantel@programming.dev 15 points 8 months ago Lol, you're funny. Nobody is calling anybody a nazi here. Only people outing themselves. Let me spell it out for you again: being called a nazi is not some common experience people make. In general, people don't feel like this is some huge problem that needs a broad discussion. And of course I'm sure as fuck not engaging in your straw man discussions, haha. 'Uhhh, don't call people something they're not, uhhh'. We're not kindergarten children. It's funny to see you desperately trying to justify why the fuck you are so triggered by this to such an extent. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) A fellow Heritage Foundation enjoyer, I see! A rare treat! Let me introduce you to THE COUNCIL OF FOREIGN RELATIONS, which is the parent of the HF. https://www.cfr.org/ Please note the membership of both organizations are often the same people. This is public information available at both orgs. https://www.heritage.org/ The CFR is the parent organization, sponsoring many academic studies that support their agenda. The Heritage Foundation is "CFR for dummies". You'll note no academic studies there, it's more directly opinion pieces, often with a Christian spin. This has been very effective in the USA for obvious reasons. If you're adventurous, please note the sponsors of the CFR and so on... it's a rabbit hole. Be careful with the truth in mixed company online, as you can be banned for "conspiracies", even if it is public information that can easily be verified through the actual organizations themselves. They don't even bother to hide it... why bother? The public is easily manipulated (as your story re atheists vs. Heritage affirms) p.s. oh dear, the poster I responded to has been banned. things aren't looking good for Mulligrubs permalink fedilink source parent [+] Arctic_monkey@leminal.space -7 points 8 months ago* Hey, thanks for taking the time to express a nuanced and complex viewpoint. You're exactly the kind of person who gets lumped in with Nazis by the divisive, black-or-white stance championed in this post. I'd hoped that Lemmy would have more mature discussion like this, but as you can see in this thread, it's the same style of "join in the simplistic hatred or be considered the worst kind of enemy" bigotry here too. There're two claims being made here. Nazis are bad, we don't like them, and anyone who expresses disagreement with the statement "fuck Nazis" must be a Nazi. Most people agree with (1), but to many, me included, (2) is obviously false. There are many, many reasons people would disagree with "fuck Nazis or you are one", besides being a Nazi and wanting to defend them. Some just dislike profanity. Some don't want to generalize a historical term to today's distinct political factions. Others, like you, recognise that reality is complex, that this finger pointing, name calling strategy is something Nazis do too, or simply that it's not the way intelligent progressives should act. I genuinely believe that this"call everyone a Nazi" bullshit is part of what's fissioning our social network into antagonistic factions and causing us to waste our meagre collective political capital arguing about which bathroom a few people should use instead of solving our real, pressing global economic and environmental crises. Now, queue someone replying to insist I must be a Nazi because I didn't just jump on the hate bandwagon... permalink fedilink source parent [+] jdr@lemmy.ml -12 points 8 months ago Nuance? Sounds awfully like Nazi! It feels better to make cartoon villains out of people who are wrong than to entertain any differences between the worst thing you can think of and someone who doesn't happen to share your views (however obviously correct they may seem). permalink fedilink source parent [+] venusaur@lemmy.world -24 points 8 months ago (4 children) Nothing. I disagree with the sentiment of the post. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (3 children) The sentiment of the post is "fuck nazis". What do you disagree with about that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] venusaur@lemmy.world -23 points 8 months ago (2 children) No the sentiment is anybody who disagrees with calling people nazis is a nazi. We all know this term gets thrown around very loosely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago Nah, fuck nazis. If someone does nazi shit, they are nazis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago We all know you hear it a lot. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] dantel@programming.dev 43 points 8 months ago (2 children) It's so funny how good this works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 21 points 8 months ago i find it scary permalink fedilink source parent [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 28 points 8 months ago every time permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 28 points 8 months ago (10 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] venusaur@lemmy.world -23 points 8 months ago (9 children) Nothing. I disagree with the sentiment of the post. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 27 points 8 months ago (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 34 points 8 months ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 27 points 8 months ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 8 months ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] lemonwood@lemmy.ml 15 points 8 months ago Do you agree, that actual, genuine Nazis exist in the real world today? That they are more than ghosts from the past? Yes? Well, it's those actual, real existing, Nazis that this post is about. Who else but other Nazis would defend them? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 8 months ago (4 children) The post is we hate nazis and one way to find who they may be is say that and see who complains about being mean to nazis. The entire point is see who responds that's mean not call anyone specific a nazi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] venusaur@lemmy.world -19 points 8 months ago (3 children) Nobody is going to say “don’t call people you disagree with Nazis” unless you’re calling people you disagree with Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Arcadeep@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago First off, nobody said anything about calling people you disagree with Nazis besides you. Source: the meme OP posted. You can even read it yourself. Secondly, if someone disagrees with saying Nazis are bad, then they are in agreement with Nazi ideals which is the only real requirement to be a modern Nazi, therefore, disagreeing with that specific statement literally means you are a Nazi Thirdly, fuck Nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 8 months ago And yet multiple people in this very thread are doing exactly that at the thought of someone saying fuck nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago* Except for the last 10 years of nazis using it to hide behind the guise of SiMpLy DiSaGrEeInG, of course. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml 21 points 8 months ago (7 children) Classic lib.world allowing fascists on their instance. Why am I not surprised? Post hog permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 25 points 8 months ago (2 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 18 points 8 months ago (1 child) LOL every time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] whelk@retrolemmy.com 4 points 8 months ago Thank you for your service permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tippy@sh.itjust.works 19 points 8 months ago (2 children) I have no dog in this fight, but you've literally been arguing for three hours that you definitely didn't mean to get upset at nazis being called out, after clearly getting upset about nazis being called out. Maybe you should put the phone down and do some self reflection rather than parroting right wing talking points and having a meltdown over something that should be easy to agree with (fuck nazis). The fact that you sling leftist around like an insult despite it being the most common political identifier in the world makes me think you'll likely just spew angry word vomit at me to make yourself feel justified that I'm an evil socialist, despite not knowing anything about me 🤷 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago (1 child) Didn't realize they used leftist as an insult, it's hilarious permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 8 months ago That honestly explains so much permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 40 points 8 months ago TIL "fuck nazis" is absolutist rhetoric that makes us equal to Bush Jr. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 46 points 8 months ago (29 children) What part of "fuck nazis" do you disagree with? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 29 child comments replies: [–] jafra@slrpnk.net 21 points 8 months ago Maybe its the space inbetween. He wants to be a fucknazi xD permalink fedilink source parent [+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (22 children) Don't think they disagreed with that part. I think it's just recognizing the complexity of a world where even nazis will call their enemies "nazis" if it's useful to them. The "if you are offended when I call you a nazi you are a nazi" is a weird take to begin with. I think the comment you are replying to isn't arguing with the fuck nazis part, but the behaviour where progressive groups can be divided and conquered by socializing animosity between them. Like when atheists were fighting against the heritage foundation, until they had to defend against claims of being bigots because "wanting to make circumcision generally illegal in the USA means you are pro FGM and you hate women, and if you argue otherwise it is an admission of guilt" And all of the progressives were shamed out until the very groups that were actively fighting groups like the heritage foundation were terraformed into actual incel chud hangouts, while academic feminists were drowned out by the same culture war bullshit, helping to generally paint feminists as cringe karens, rather than a bastion against political movements by groups like the heritage foundation. If you don't know why I keep talking about the heritage foundation, it's because they are the project 2025 people in no small part responsible for the current actual fascist push. But.. That's difficult to explain while confronted by absolutist tribalism. Don't be divided and conquered. It's harder for progressives to coordinate due to group complexity, but it's important not to do the work of the fascists for them. Progressives fighting progressives because its socially expedient to not think about the bigger picture is indeed a big part of why trump is in power, which that comment seems to indicate as a bad thing. That doesn't matter though if you just imagine their comment was "don't be mean to nazis!!" If you just pretend they said that, it's so much easier to do the social peacock thing that has kneecapped progressive/leftist groups, and we can just ignore the failures of this behavior, because self reflection is bad for some reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (4 children) I agree that we have to be careful about who we call nazis, and who they call nazis, but if you get offended by the phrase "fuck nazis", without further context or identifiers, then I'm ok with saying fuck off. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (2 children) But the second part didn't happen. You went straight from 1 to 3. You are jumping to defend nazis. Fuck nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) "you are jumping to defend nazis." where in your addled imagination did i say that? because i've said in several different ways "fuck nazis, and fuck the social mechanisms empowering nazis." but "this framing is bad and has actively helped the nazis." becomes "i love nazis" to people who can't fucking read. which is why they love the uneducated. and why the progressive movements actively fighting this shit for decades have been socially dogpiled into being "cringe," and chastised by insulting people with big words, because only nazis talk about framing and use big words. i often talk about jordon peterson types poisoning this particular well with their intentional bullshit. was it my support for atheist and feminist thinkers? was it my hate for the heritage foundation? what part of that is defending nazis exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago If you don't have a problem with "fuck nazis", then we're good. If you see "fuck nazis" and want to defend them, fuck off. If you're good with "fuck nazis" then we're good. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] dantel@programming.dev 27 points 8 months ago (13 children) There is no 'other part'. The meme literally is about making this one statement and waiting for people to be offended. There is no other statement here. Anything besides this is happening in your head. That's why it's working. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago the points you've shared are repeated ad nauseam by an overwhelming majority that have clearly reasoned them out of misinformation, triggering automatic disregard. (ie akin to the arguments like human nature prevents socialism). there's now doubt that it's willful ignorance given that you try to persist and explain them, but then again so too do the disingenuous. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago* (2 children) we can hate nazis while also being capable of communication past the hypersimplified binaries that are actively useful for nazis. So why are you being useful to Nazis by speaking up and having a hypothetical discourse and being a running dog for Nazism? Sometimes it's just better to not say anything as an antifascist and seeing Nazis show themselves (only Nazis would get triggered/baited to comment on a meme like this) social peacock thing that has kneecapped progressive/leftist groups Interesting lingo you use there Have you dipshit considered that fash seeing no "social peacock" might let them think they're in good company as they're unopposed? You think calling out "virtues signaling" is a good counter that fash have? Why are you doing this for them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago* i showed how this exact failing was useful for the current fascist movement. Yes you sure did show how you're useful for the current fascist movement. i get these concepts from… anti-fascist academics. Do those "anti-fascist academics" say that say that feminists are the real fascists because boobies in vidyagames don't make your pipi hard by any chance? i find this exhausting, because the inability for people to comprehend words past the social signalling is directly responsible for much of the recent fascist success. I don't need to comprehend the words that try to argue why "fuck Nazis" is bad. academics are mean for saying we have to think about context sometimes Have you dipshit considered your posts in the context of this thread? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] dantel@programming.dev 22 points 8 months ago* (7 children) It's so funny how you're using so many words, going out of your way spreading what you think is some ultra deep next level wisdom - just to somehow justify why it's ok to be triggered by 'fuck nazis'. Just so you know, a normal person see this, shrugs and is already on their way to the next thing on their mind. You don't have to have a political agenda to not be triggered by this. You're so simple minded that you don't notice how you're hooked by this primitive mind trick. And that you want to sound like some intellectual on top of that is just so hilarious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] dantel@programming.dev 22 points 8 months ago (5 children) Haha, you still don't get it. So let me explain it to you, real slow and simple. The meme instructs you to post 'fuck nazis' and wait for reactions. There is no engaging besides that one statement. No other context. No discussion. Just this two words. There is absolutely no reason to react to 'fuck nazis' with some deep philosophical discussion on how it might be problematic to call people nazis. This might sound wild to you, so believe it or not, but next to nobody on the planet is being called a nazi. That's not an experience the average person makes. So it's very telling when you actually are triggered. You are forcing a discussion on us nobody asked for. It's so painfully obvious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago Can you please type out the post word for word then explain exactly which line is telling people to call anyone Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dantel@programming.dev 16 points 8 months ago (2 children) Lol. No it doesn't. Here is what it literally says: Post 'fuck nazis'. Watch for the 'don't call people you disagree with nazis!' comments. You found the nazis. Nowhere does it tell you to call out people. The second point tells you to watch for specific kind of comments. That's 100% passive. You know, exactly those kind of comments you provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -8 points 8 months ago* (1 child) "i'm going to ignore all of your points and simplify things again in a way that's convenient for me." literally what MAGA cultists do. "don't call people you disagree with nazis!" is unfortunately also what people say when people call non-nazis 'nazis,' such as progressive groups like feminists or atheists. now suddenly both are nazis? and they have to fight each-other instead of the heritage foundation? why can't a single person here actually engage with this part of the conversation instead of the made up one they want to simplify to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dantel@programming.dev 15 points 8 months ago Lol, you're funny. Nobody is calling anybody a nazi here. Only people outing themselves. Let me spell it out for you again: being called a nazi is not some common experience people make. In general, people don't feel like this is some huge problem that needs a broad discussion. And of course I'm sure as fuck not engaging in your straw man discussions, haha. 'Uhhh, don't call people something they're not, uhhh'. We're not kindergarten children. It's funny to see you desperately trying to justify why the fuck you are so triggered by this to such an extent. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) A fellow Heritage Foundation enjoyer, I see! A rare treat! Let me introduce you to THE COUNCIL OF FOREIGN RELATIONS, which is the parent of the HF. https://www.cfr.org/ Please note the membership of both organizations are often the same people. This is public information available at both orgs. https://www.heritage.org/ The CFR is the parent organization, sponsoring many academic studies that support their agenda. The Heritage Foundation is "CFR for dummies". You'll note no academic studies there, it's more directly opinion pieces, often with a Christian spin. This has been very effective in the USA for obvious reasons. If you're adventurous, please note the sponsors of the CFR and so on... it's a rabbit hole. Be careful with the truth in mixed company online, as you can be banned for "conspiracies", even if it is public information that can easily be verified through the actual organizations themselves. They don't even bother to hide it... why bother? The public is easily manipulated (as your story re atheists vs. Heritage affirms) p.s. oh dear, the poster I responded to has been banned. things aren't looking good for Mulligrubs permalink fedilink source parent [+] Arctic_monkey@leminal.space -7 points 8 months ago* Hey, thanks for taking the time to express a nuanced and complex viewpoint. You're exactly the kind of person who gets lumped in with Nazis by the divisive, black-or-white stance championed in this post. I'd hoped that Lemmy would have more mature discussion like this, but as you can see in this thread, it's the same style of "join in the simplistic hatred or be considered the worst kind of enemy" bigotry here too. There're two claims being made here. Nazis are bad, we don't like them, and anyone who expresses disagreement with the statement "fuck Nazis" must be a Nazi. Most people agree with (1), but to many, me included, (2) is obviously false. There are many, many reasons people would disagree with "fuck Nazis or you are one", besides being a Nazi and wanting to defend them. Some just dislike profanity. Some don't want to generalize a historical term to today's distinct political factions. Others, like you, recognise that reality is complex, that this finger pointing, name calling strategy is something Nazis do too, or simply that it's not the way intelligent progressives should act. I genuinely believe that this"call everyone a Nazi" bullshit is part of what's fissioning our social network into antagonistic factions and causing us to waste our meagre collective political capital arguing about which bathroom a few people should use instead of solving our real, pressing global economic and environmental crises. Now, queue someone replying to insist I must be a Nazi because I didn't just jump on the hate bandwagon... permalink fedilink source parent [+] jdr@lemmy.ml -12 points 8 months ago Nuance? Sounds awfully like Nazi! It feels better to make cartoon villains out of people who are wrong than to entertain any differences between the worst thing you can think of and someone who doesn't happen to share your views (however obviously correct they may seem). permalink fedilink source parent [+] venusaur@lemmy.world -24 points 8 months ago (4 children) Nothing. I disagree with the sentiment of the post. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (3 children) The sentiment of the post is "fuck nazis". What do you disagree with about that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] venusaur@lemmy.world -23 points 8 months ago (2 children) No the sentiment is anybody who disagrees with calling people nazis is a nazi. We all know this term gets thrown around very loosely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago Nah, fuck nazis. If someone does nazi shit, they are nazis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago We all know you hear it a lot. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jafra@slrpnk.net 21 points 8 months ago Maybe its the space inbetween. He wants to be a fucknazi xD permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (22 children) Don't think they disagreed with that part. I think it's just recognizing the complexity of a world where even nazis will call their enemies "nazis" if it's useful to them. The "if you are offended when I call you a nazi you are a nazi" is a weird take to begin with. I think the comment you are replying to isn't arguing with the fuck nazis part, but the behaviour where progressive groups can be divided and conquered by socializing animosity between them. Like when atheists were fighting against the heritage foundation, until they had to defend against claims of being bigots because "wanting to make circumcision generally illegal in the USA means you are pro FGM and you hate women, and if you argue otherwise it is an admission of guilt" And all of the progressives were shamed out until the very groups that were actively fighting groups like the heritage foundation were terraformed into actual incel chud hangouts, while academic feminists were drowned out by the same culture war bullshit, helping to generally paint feminists as cringe karens, rather than a bastion against political movements by groups like the heritage foundation. If you don't know why I keep talking about the heritage foundation, it's because they are the project 2025 people in no small part responsible for the current actual fascist push. But.. That's difficult to explain while confronted by absolutist tribalism. Don't be divided and conquered. It's harder for progressives to coordinate due to group complexity, but it's important not to do the work of the fascists for them. Progressives fighting progressives because its socially expedient to not think about the bigger picture is indeed a big part of why trump is in power, which that comment seems to indicate as a bad thing. That doesn't matter though if you just imagine their comment was "don't be mean to nazis!!" If you just pretend they said that, it's so much easier to do the social peacock thing that has kneecapped progressive/leftist groups, and we can just ignore the failures of this behavior, because self reflection is bad for some reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (4 children) I agree that we have to be careful about who we call nazis, and who they call nazis, but if you get offended by the phrase "fuck nazis", without further context or identifiers, then I'm ok with saying fuck off. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (2 children) But the second part didn't happen. You went straight from 1 to 3. You are jumping to defend nazis. Fuck nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) "you are jumping to defend nazis." where in your addled imagination did i say that? because i've said in several different ways "fuck nazis, and fuck the social mechanisms empowering nazis." but "this framing is bad and has actively helped the nazis." becomes "i love nazis" to people who can't fucking read. which is why they love the uneducated. and why the progressive movements actively fighting this shit for decades have been socially dogpiled into being "cringe," and chastised by insulting people with big words, because only nazis talk about framing and use big words. i often talk about jordon peterson types poisoning this particular well with their intentional bullshit. was it my support for atheist and feminist thinkers? was it my hate for the heritage foundation? what part of that is defending nazis exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago If you don't have a problem with "fuck nazis", then we're good. If you see "fuck nazis" and want to defend them, fuck off. If you're good with "fuck nazis" then we're good. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] dantel@programming.dev 27 points 8 months ago (13 children) There is no 'other part'. The meme literally is about making this one statement and waiting for people to be offended. There is no other statement here. Anything besides this is happening in your head. That's why it's working. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago the points you've shared are repeated ad nauseam by an overwhelming majority that have clearly reasoned them out of misinformation, triggering automatic disregard. (ie akin to the arguments like human nature prevents socialism). there's now doubt that it's willful ignorance given that you try to persist and explain them, but then again so too do the disingenuous. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago* (2 children) we can hate nazis while also being capable of communication past the hypersimplified binaries that are actively useful for nazis. So why are you being useful to Nazis by speaking up and having a hypothetical discourse and being a running dog for Nazism? Sometimes it's just better to not say anything as an antifascist and seeing Nazis show themselves (only Nazis would get triggered/baited to comment on a meme like this) social peacock thing that has kneecapped progressive/leftist groups Interesting lingo you use there Have you dipshit considered that fash seeing no "social peacock" might let them think they're in good company as they're unopposed? You think calling out "virtues signaling" is a good counter that fash have? Why are you doing this for them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago* i showed how this exact failing was useful for the current fascist movement. Yes you sure did show how you're useful for the current fascist movement. i get these concepts from… anti-fascist academics. Do those "anti-fascist academics" say that say that feminists are the real fascists because boobies in vidyagames don't make your pipi hard by any chance? i find this exhausting, because the inability for people to comprehend words past the social signalling is directly responsible for much of the recent fascist success. I don't need to comprehend the words that try to argue why "fuck Nazis" is bad. academics are mean for saying we have to think about context sometimes Have you dipshit considered your posts in the context of this thread? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] dantel@programming.dev 22 points 8 months ago* (7 children) It's so funny how you're using so many words, going out of your way spreading what you think is some ultra deep next level wisdom - just to somehow justify why it's ok to be triggered by 'fuck nazis'. Just so you know, a normal person see this, shrugs and is already on their way to the next thing on their mind. You don't have to have a political agenda to not be triggered by this. You're so simple minded that you don't notice how you're hooked by this primitive mind trick. And that you want to sound like some intellectual on top of that is just so hilarious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] dantel@programming.dev 22 points 8 months ago (5 children) Haha, you still don't get it. So let me explain it to you, real slow and simple. The meme instructs you to post 'fuck nazis' and wait for reactions. There is no engaging besides that one statement. No other context. No discussion. Just this two words. There is absolutely no reason to react to 'fuck nazis' with some deep philosophical discussion on how it might be problematic to call people nazis. This might sound wild to you, so believe it or not, but next to nobody on the planet is being called a nazi. That's not an experience the average person makes. So it's very telling when you actually are triggered. You are forcing a discussion on us nobody asked for. It's so painfully obvious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago Can you please type out the post word for word then explain exactly which line is telling people to call anyone Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dantel@programming.dev 16 points 8 months ago (2 children) Lol. No it doesn't. Here is what it literally says: Post 'fuck nazis'. Watch for the 'don't call people you disagree with nazis!' comments. You found the nazis. Nowhere does it tell you to call out people. The second point tells you to watch for specific kind of comments. That's 100% passive. You know, exactly those kind of comments you provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -8 points 8 months ago* (1 child) "i'm going to ignore all of your points and simplify things again in a way that's convenient for me." literally what MAGA cultists do. "don't call people you disagree with nazis!" is unfortunately also what people say when people call non-nazis 'nazis,' such as progressive groups like feminists or atheists. now suddenly both are nazis? and they have to fight each-other instead of the heritage foundation? why can't a single person here actually engage with this part of the conversation instead of the made up one they want to simplify to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dantel@programming.dev 15 points 8 months ago Lol, you're funny. Nobody is calling anybody a nazi here. Only people outing themselves. Let me spell it out for you again: being called a nazi is not some common experience people make. In general, people don't feel like this is some huge problem that needs a broad discussion. And of course I'm sure as fuck not engaging in your straw man discussions, haha. 'Uhhh, don't call people something they're not, uhhh'. We're not kindergarten children. It's funny to see you desperately trying to justify why the fuck you are so triggered by this to such an extent. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) A fellow Heritage Foundation enjoyer, I see! A rare treat! Let me introduce you to THE COUNCIL OF FOREIGN RELATIONS, which is the parent of the HF. https://www.cfr.org/ Please note the membership of both organizations are often the same people. This is public information available at both orgs. https://www.heritage.org/ The CFR is the parent organization, sponsoring many academic studies that support their agenda. The Heritage Foundation is "CFR for dummies". You'll note no academic studies there, it's more directly opinion pieces, often with a Christian spin. This has been very effective in the USA for obvious reasons. If you're adventurous, please note the sponsors of the CFR and so on... it's a rabbit hole. Be careful with the truth in mixed company online, as you can be banned for "conspiracies", even if it is public information that can easily be verified through the actual organizations themselves. They don't even bother to hide it... why bother? The public is easily manipulated (as your story re atheists vs. Heritage affirms) p.s. oh dear, the poster I responded to has been banned. things aren't looking good for Mulligrubs permalink fedilink source parent [+] Arctic_monkey@leminal.space -7 points 8 months ago* Hey, thanks for taking the time to express a nuanced and complex viewpoint. You're exactly the kind of person who gets lumped in with Nazis by the divisive, black-or-white stance championed in this post. I'd hoped that Lemmy would have more mature discussion like this, but as you can see in this thread, it's the same style of "join in the simplistic hatred or be considered the worst kind of enemy" bigotry here too. There're two claims being made here. Nazis are bad, we don't like them, and anyone who expresses disagreement with the statement "fuck Nazis" must be a Nazi. Most people agree with (1), but to many, me included, (2) is obviously false. There are many, many reasons people would disagree with "fuck Nazis or you are one", besides being a Nazi and wanting to defend them. Some just dislike profanity. Some don't want to generalize a historical term to today's distinct political factions. Others, like you, recognise that reality is complex, that this finger pointing, name calling strategy is something Nazis do too, or simply that it's not the way intelligent progressives should act. I genuinely believe that this"call everyone a Nazi" bullshit is part of what's fissioning our social network into antagonistic factions and causing us to waste our meagre collective political capital arguing about which bathroom a few people should use instead of solving our real, pressing global economic and environmental crises. Now, queue someone replying to insist I must be a Nazi because I didn't just jump on the hate bandwagon... permalink fedilink source parent [+] jdr@lemmy.ml -12 points 8 months ago Nuance? Sounds awfully like Nazi! It feels better to make cartoon villains out of people who are wrong than to entertain any differences between the worst thing you can think of and someone who doesn't happen to share your views (however obviously correct they may seem). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (4 children) I agree that we have to be careful about who we call nazis, and who they call nazis, but if you get offended by the phrase "fuck nazis", without further context or identifiers, then I'm ok with saying fuck off. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (2 children) But the second part didn't happen. You went straight from 1 to 3. You are jumping to defend nazis. Fuck nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) "you are jumping to defend nazis." where in your addled imagination did i say that? because i've said in several different ways "fuck nazis, and fuck the social mechanisms empowering nazis." but "this framing is bad and has actively helped the nazis." becomes "i love nazis" to people who can't fucking read. which is why they love the uneducated. and why the progressive movements actively fighting this shit for decades have been socially dogpiled into being "cringe," and chastised by insulting people with big words, because only nazis talk about framing and use big words. i often talk about jordon peterson types poisoning this particular well with their intentional bullshit. was it my support for atheist and feminist thinkers? was it my hate for the heritage foundation? what part of that is defending nazis exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago If you don't have a problem with "fuck nazis", then we're good. If you see "fuck nazis" and want to defend them, fuck off. If you're good with "fuck nazis" then we're good. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (2 children) But the second part didn't happen. You went straight from 1 to 3. You are jumping to defend nazis. Fuck nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) "you are jumping to defend nazis." where in your addled imagination did i say that? because i've said in several different ways "fuck nazis, and fuck the social mechanisms empowering nazis." but "this framing is bad and has actively helped the nazis." becomes "i love nazis" to people who can't fucking read. which is why they love the uneducated. and why the progressive movements actively fighting this shit for decades have been socially dogpiled into being "cringe," and chastised by insulting people with big words, because only nazis talk about framing and use big words. i often talk about jordon peterson types poisoning this particular well with their intentional bullshit. was it my support for atheist and feminist thinkers? was it my hate for the heritage foundation? what part of that is defending nazis exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago If you don't have a problem with "fuck nazis", then we're good. If you see "fuck nazis" and want to defend them, fuck off. If you're good with "fuck nazis" then we're good. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (2 children) But the second part didn't happen. You went straight from 1 to 3. You are jumping to defend nazis. Fuck nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) "you are jumping to defend nazis." where in your addled imagination did i say that? because i've said in several different ways "fuck nazis, and fuck the social mechanisms empowering nazis." but "this framing is bad and has actively helped the nazis." becomes "i love nazis" to people who can't fucking read. which is why they love the uneducated. and why the progressive movements actively fighting this shit for decades have been socially dogpiled into being "cringe," and chastised by insulting people with big words, because only nazis talk about framing and use big words. i often talk about jordon peterson types poisoning this particular well with their intentional bullshit. was it my support for atheist and feminist thinkers? was it my hate for the heritage foundation? what part of that is defending nazis exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago If you don't have a problem with "fuck nazis", then we're good. If you see "fuck nazis" and want to defend them, fuck off. If you're good with "fuck nazis" then we're good. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) "you are jumping to defend nazis." where in your addled imagination did i say that? because i've said in several different ways "fuck nazis, and fuck the social mechanisms empowering nazis." but "this framing is bad and has actively helped the nazis." becomes "i love nazis" to people who can't fucking read. which is why they love the uneducated. and why the progressive movements actively fighting this shit for decades have been socially dogpiled into being "cringe," and chastised by insulting people with big words, because only nazis talk about framing and use big words. i often talk about jordon peterson types poisoning this particular well with their intentional bullshit. was it my support for atheist and feminist thinkers? was it my hate for the heritage foundation? what part of that is defending nazis exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago If you don't have a problem with "fuck nazis", then we're good. If you see "fuck nazis" and want to defend them, fuck off. If you're good with "fuck nazis" then we're good. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago If you don't have a problem with "fuck nazis", then we're good. If you see "fuck nazis" and want to defend them, fuck off. If you're good with "fuck nazis" then we're good. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dantel@programming.dev 27 points 8 months ago (13 children) There is no 'other part'. The meme literally is about making this one statement and waiting for people to be offended. There is no other statement here. Anything besides this is happening in your head. That's why it's working. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago the points you've shared are repeated ad nauseam by an overwhelming majority that have clearly reasoned them out of misinformation, triggering automatic disregard. (ie akin to the arguments like human nature prevents socialism). there's now doubt that it's willful ignorance given that you try to persist and explain them, but then again so too do the disingenuous. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago* (2 children) we can hate nazis while also being capable of communication past the hypersimplified binaries that are actively useful for nazis. So why are you being useful to Nazis by speaking up and having a hypothetical discourse and being a running dog for Nazism? Sometimes it's just better to not say anything as an antifascist and seeing Nazis show themselves (only Nazis would get triggered/baited to comment on a meme like this) social peacock thing that has kneecapped progressive/leftist groups Interesting lingo you use there Have you dipshit considered that fash seeing no "social peacock" might let them think they're in good company as they're unopposed? You think calling out "virtues signaling" is a good counter that fash have? Why are you doing this for them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago* i showed how this exact failing was useful for the current fascist movement. Yes you sure did show how you're useful for the current fascist movement. i get these concepts from… anti-fascist academics. Do those "anti-fascist academics" say that say that feminists are the real fascists because boobies in vidyagames don't make your pipi hard by any chance? i find this exhausting, because the inability for people to comprehend words past the social signalling is directly responsible for much of the recent fascist success. I don't need to comprehend the words that try to argue why "fuck Nazis" is bad. academics are mean for saying we have to think about context sometimes Have you dipshit considered your posts in the context of this thread? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] dantel@programming.dev 22 points 8 months ago* (7 children) It's so funny how you're using so many words, going out of your way spreading what you think is some ultra deep next level wisdom - just to somehow justify why it's ok to be triggered by 'fuck nazis'. Just so you know, a normal person see this, shrugs and is already on their way to the next thing on their mind. You don't have to have a political agenda to not be triggered by this. You're so simple minded that you don't notice how you're hooked by this primitive mind trick. And that you want to sound like some intellectual on top of that is just so hilarious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] dantel@programming.dev 22 points 8 months ago (5 children) Haha, you still don't get it. So let me explain it to you, real slow and simple. The meme instructs you to post 'fuck nazis' and wait for reactions. There is no engaging besides that one statement. No other context. No discussion. Just this two words. There is absolutely no reason to react to 'fuck nazis' with some deep philosophical discussion on how it might be problematic to call people nazis. This might sound wild to you, so believe it or not, but next to nobody on the planet is being called a nazi. That's not an experience the average person makes. So it's very telling when you actually are triggered. You are forcing a discussion on us nobody asked for. It's so painfully obvious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago Can you please type out the post word for word then explain exactly which line is telling people to call anyone Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dantel@programming.dev 16 points 8 months ago (2 children) Lol. No it doesn't. Here is what it literally says: Post 'fuck nazis'. Watch for the 'don't call people you disagree with nazis!' comments. You found the nazis. Nowhere does it tell you to call out people. The second point tells you to watch for specific kind of comments. That's 100% passive. You know, exactly those kind of comments you provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -8 points 8 months ago* (1 child) "i'm going to ignore all of your points and simplify things again in a way that's convenient for me." literally what MAGA cultists do. "don't call people you disagree with nazis!" is unfortunately also what people say when people call non-nazis 'nazis,' such as progressive groups like feminists or atheists. now suddenly both are nazis? and they have to fight each-other instead of the heritage foundation? why can't a single person here actually engage with this part of the conversation instead of the made up one they want to simplify to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dantel@programming.dev 15 points 8 months ago Lol, you're funny. Nobody is calling anybody a nazi here. Only people outing themselves. Let me spell it out for you again: being called a nazi is not some common experience people make. In general, people don't feel like this is some huge problem that needs a broad discussion. And of course I'm sure as fuck not engaging in your straw man discussions, haha. 'Uhhh, don't call people something they're not, uhhh'. We're not kindergarten children. It's funny to see you desperately trying to justify why the fuck you are so triggered by this to such an extent. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago the points you've shared are repeated ad nauseam by an overwhelming majority that have clearly reasoned them out of misinformation, triggering automatic disregard. (ie akin to the arguments like human nature prevents socialism). there's now doubt that it's willful ignorance given that you try to persist and explain them, but then again so too do the disingenuous. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago* (2 children) we can hate nazis while also being capable of communication past the hypersimplified binaries that are actively useful for nazis. So why are you being useful to Nazis by speaking up and having a hypothetical discourse and being a running dog for Nazism? Sometimes it's just better to not say anything as an antifascist and seeing Nazis show themselves (only Nazis would get triggered/baited to comment on a meme like this) social peacock thing that has kneecapped progressive/leftist groups Interesting lingo you use there Have you dipshit considered that fash seeing no "social peacock" might let them think they're in good company as they're unopposed? You think calling out "virtues signaling" is a good counter that fash have? Why are you doing this for them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago* i showed how this exact failing was useful for the current fascist movement. Yes you sure did show how you're useful for the current fascist movement. i get these concepts from… anti-fascist academics. Do those "anti-fascist academics" say that say that feminists are the real fascists because boobies in vidyagames don't make your pipi hard by any chance? i find this exhausting, because the inability for people to comprehend words past the social signalling is directly responsible for much of the recent fascist success. I don't need to comprehend the words that try to argue why "fuck Nazis" is bad. academics are mean for saying we have to think about context sometimes Have you dipshit considered your posts in the context of this thread? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] dantel@programming.dev 22 points 8 months ago* (7 children) It's so funny how you're using so many words, going out of your way spreading what you think is some ultra deep next level wisdom - just to somehow justify why it's ok to be triggered by 'fuck nazis'. Just so you know, a normal person see this, shrugs and is already on their way to the next thing on their mind. You don't have to have a political agenda to not be triggered by this. You're so simple minded that you don't notice how you're hooked by this primitive mind trick. And that you want to sound like some intellectual on top of that is just so hilarious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] dantel@programming.dev 22 points 8 months ago (5 children) Haha, you still don't get it. So let me explain it to you, real slow and simple. The meme instructs you to post 'fuck nazis' and wait for reactions. There is no engaging besides that one statement. No other context. No discussion. Just this two words. There is absolutely no reason to react to 'fuck nazis' with some deep philosophical discussion on how it might be problematic to call people nazis. This might sound wild to you, so believe it or not, but next to nobody on the planet is being called a nazi. That's not an experience the average person makes. So it's very telling when you actually are triggered. You are forcing a discussion on us nobody asked for. It's so painfully obvious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago Can you please type out the post word for word then explain exactly which line is telling people to call anyone Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dantel@programming.dev 16 points 8 months ago (2 children) Lol. No it doesn't. Here is what it literally says: Post 'fuck nazis'. Watch for the 'don't call people you disagree with nazis!' comments. You found the nazis. Nowhere does it tell you to call out people. The second point tells you to watch for specific kind of comments. That's 100% passive. You know, exactly those kind of comments you provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -8 points 8 months ago* (1 child) "i'm going to ignore all of your points and simplify things again in a way that's convenient for me." literally what MAGA cultists do. "don't call people you disagree with nazis!" is unfortunately also what people say when people call non-nazis 'nazis,' such as progressive groups like feminists or atheists. now suddenly both are nazis? and they have to fight each-other instead of the heritage foundation? why can't a single person here actually engage with this part of the conversation instead of the made up one they want to simplify to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dantel@programming.dev 15 points 8 months ago Lol, you're funny. Nobody is calling anybody a nazi here. Only people outing themselves. Let me spell it out for you again: being called a nazi is not some common experience people make. In general, people don't feel like this is some huge problem that needs a broad discussion. And of course I'm sure as fuck not engaging in your straw man discussions, haha. 'Uhhh, don't call people something they're not, uhhh'. We're not kindergarten children. It's funny to see you desperately trying to justify why the fuck you are so triggered by this to such an extent. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago the points you've shared are repeated ad nauseam by an overwhelming majority that have clearly reasoned them out of misinformation, triggering automatic disregard. (ie akin to the arguments like human nature prevents socialism). there's now doubt that it's willful ignorance given that you try to persist and explain them, but then again so too do the disingenuous. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago* (2 children) we can hate nazis while also being capable of communication past the hypersimplified binaries that are actively useful for nazis. So why are you being useful to Nazis by speaking up and having a hypothetical discourse and being a running dog for Nazism? Sometimes it's just better to not say anything as an antifascist and seeing Nazis show themselves (only Nazis would get triggered/baited to comment on a meme like this) social peacock thing that has kneecapped progressive/leftist groups Interesting lingo you use there Have you dipshit considered that fash seeing no "social peacock" might let them think they're in good company as they're unopposed? You think calling out "virtues signaling" is a good counter that fash have? Why are you doing this for them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago* i showed how this exact failing was useful for the current fascist movement. Yes you sure did show how you're useful for the current fascist movement. i get these concepts from… anti-fascist academics. Do those "anti-fascist academics" say that say that feminists are the real fascists because boobies in vidyagames don't make your pipi hard by any chance? i find this exhausting, because the inability for people to comprehend words past the social signalling is directly responsible for much of the recent fascist success. I don't need to comprehend the words that try to argue why "fuck Nazis" is bad. academics are mean for saying we have to think about context sometimes Have you dipshit considered your posts in the context of this thread? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago* i showed how this exact failing was useful for the current fascist movement. Yes you sure did show how you're useful for the current fascist movement. i get these concepts from… anti-fascist academics. Do those "anti-fascist academics" say that say that feminists are the real fascists because boobies in vidyagames don't make your pipi hard by any chance? i find this exhausting, because the inability for people to comprehend words past the social signalling is directly responsible for much of the recent fascist success. I don't need to comprehend the words that try to argue why "fuck Nazis" is bad. academics are mean for saying we have to think about context sometimes Have you dipshit considered your posts in the context of this thread? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago* i showed how this exact failing was useful for the current fascist movement. Yes you sure did show how you're useful for the current fascist movement. i get these concepts from… anti-fascist academics. Do those "anti-fascist academics" say that say that feminists are the real fascists because boobies in vidyagames don't make your pipi hard by any chance? i find this exhausting, because the inability for people to comprehend words past the social signalling is directly responsible for much of the recent fascist success. I don't need to comprehend the words that try to argue why "fuck Nazis" is bad. academics are mean for saying we have to think about context sometimes Have you dipshit considered your posts in the context of this thread? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dantel@programming.dev 22 points 8 months ago* (7 children) It's so funny how you're using so many words, going out of your way spreading what you think is some ultra deep next level wisdom - just to somehow justify why it's ok to be triggered by 'fuck nazis'. Just so you know, a normal person see this, shrugs and is already on their way to the next thing on their mind. You don't have to have a political agenda to not be triggered by this. You're so simple minded that you don't notice how you're hooked by this primitive mind trick. And that you want to sound like some intellectual on top of that is just so hilarious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] dantel@programming.dev 22 points 8 months ago (5 children) Haha, you still don't get it. So let me explain it to you, real slow and simple. The meme instructs you to post 'fuck nazis' and wait for reactions. There is no engaging besides that one statement. No other context. No discussion. Just this two words. There is absolutely no reason to react to 'fuck nazis' with some deep philosophical discussion on how it might be problematic to call people nazis. This might sound wild to you, so believe it or not, but next to nobody on the planet is being called a nazi. That's not an experience the average person makes. So it's very telling when you actually are triggered. You are forcing a discussion on us nobody asked for. It's so painfully obvious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago Can you please type out the post word for word then explain exactly which line is telling people to call anyone Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dantel@programming.dev 16 points 8 months ago (2 children) Lol. No it doesn't. Here is what it literally says: Post 'fuck nazis'. Watch for the 'don't call people you disagree with nazis!' comments. You found the nazis. Nowhere does it tell you to call out people. The second point tells you to watch for specific kind of comments. That's 100% passive. You know, exactly those kind of comments you provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -8 points 8 months ago* (1 child) "i'm going to ignore all of your points and simplify things again in a way that's convenient for me." literally what MAGA cultists do. "don't call people you disagree with nazis!" is unfortunately also what people say when people call non-nazis 'nazis,' such as progressive groups like feminists or atheists. now suddenly both are nazis? and they have to fight each-other instead of the heritage foundation? why can't a single person here actually engage with this part of the conversation instead of the made up one they want to simplify to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dantel@programming.dev 15 points 8 months ago Lol, you're funny. Nobody is calling anybody a nazi here. Only people outing themselves. Let me spell it out for you again: being called a nazi is not some common experience people make. In general, people don't feel like this is some huge problem that needs a broad discussion. And of course I'm sure as fuck not engaging in your straw man discussions, haha. 'Uhhh, don't call people something they're not, uhhh'. We're not kindergarten children. It's funny to see you desperately trying to justify why the fuck you are so triggered by this to such an extent. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] dantel@programming.dev 22 points 8 months ago (5 children) Haha, you still don't get it. So let me explain it to you, real slow and simple. The meme instructs you to post 'fuck nazis' and wait for reactions. There is no engaging besides that one statement. No other context. No discussion. Just this two words. There is absolutely no reason to react to 'fuck nazis' with some deep philosophical discussion on how it might be problematic to call people nazis. This might sound wild to you, so believe it or not, but next to nobody on the planet is being called a nazi. That's not an experience the average person makes. So it's very telling when you actually are triggered. You are forcing a discussion on us nobody asked for. It's so painfully obvious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago Can you please type out the post word for word then explain exactly which line is telling people to call anyone Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dantel@programming.dev 16 points 8 months ago (2 children) Lol. No it doesn't. Here is what it literally says: Post 'fuck nazis'. Watch for the 'don't call people you disagree with nazis!' comments. You found the nazis. Nowhere does it tell you to call out people. The second point tells you to watch for specific kind of comments. That's 100% passive. You know, exactly those kind of comments you provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -8 points 8 months ago* (1 child) "i'm going to ignore all of your points and simplify things again in a way that's convenient for me." literally what MAGA cultists do. "don't call people you disagree with nazis!" is unfortunately also what people say when people call non-nazis 'nazis,' such as progressive groups like feminists or atheists. now suddenly both are nazis? and they have to fight each-other instead of the heritage foundation? why can't a single person here actually engage with this part of the conversation instead of the made up one they want to simplify to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dantel@programming.dev 15 points 8 months ago Lol, you're funny. Nobody is calling anybody a nazi here. Only people outing themselves. Let me spell it out for you again: being called a nazi is not some common experience people make. In general, people don't feel like this is some huge problem that needs a broad discussion. And of course I'm sure as fuck not engaging in your straw man discussions, haha. 'Uhhh, don't call people something they're not, uhhh'. We're not kindergarten children. It's funny to see you desperately trying to justify why the fuck you are so triggered by this to such an extent. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] dantel@programming.dev 22 points 8 months ago (5 children) Haha, you still don't get it. So let me explain it to you, real slow and simple. The meme instructs you to post 'fuck nazis' and wait for reactions. There is no engaging besides that one statement. No other context. No discussion. Just this two words. There is absolutely no reason to react to 'fuck nazis' with some deep philosophical discussion on how it might be problematic to call people nazis. This might sound wild to you, so believe it or not, but next to nobody on the planet is being called a nazi. That's not an experience the average person makes. So it's very telling when you actually are triggered. You are forcing a discussion on us nobody asked for. It's so painfully obvious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago Can you please type out the post word for word then explain exactly which line is telling people to call anyone Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dantel@programming.dev 16 points 8 months ago (2 children) Lol. No it doesn't. Here is what it literally says: Post 'fuck nazis'. Watch for the 'don't call people you disagree with nazis!' comments. You found the nazis. Nowhere does it tell you to call out people. The second point tells you to watch for specific kind of comments. That's 100% passive. You know, exactly those kind of comments you provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -8 points 8 months ago* (1 child) "i'm going to ignore all of your points and simplify things again in a way that's convenient for me." literally what MAGA cultists do. "don't call people you disagree with nazis!" is unfortunately also what people say when people call non-nazis 'nazis,' such as progressive groups like feminists or atheists. now suddenly both are nazis? and they have to fight each-other instead of the heritage foundation? why can't a single person here actually engage with this part of the conversation instead of the made up one they want to simplify to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dantel@programming.dev 15 points 8 months ago Lol, you're funny. Nobody is calling anybody a nazi here. Only people outing themselves. Let me spell it out for you again: being called a nazi is not some common experience people make. In general, people don't feel like this is some huge problem that needs a broad discussion. And of course I'm sure as fuck not engaging in your straw man discussions, haha. 'Uhhh, don't call people something they're not, uhhh'. We're not kindergarten children. It's funny to see you desperately trying to justify why the fuck you are so triggered by this to such an extent. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago Can you please type out the post word for word then explain exactly which line is telling people to call anyone Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dantel@programming.dev 16 points 8 months ago (2 children) Lol. No it doesn't. Here is what it literally says: Post 'fuck nazis'. Watch for the 'don't call people you disagree with nazis!' comments. You found the nazis. Nowhere does it tell you to call out people. The second point tells you to watch for specific kind of comments. That's 100% passive. You know, exactly those kind of comments you provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -8 points 8 months ago* (1 child) "i'm going to ignore all of your points and simplify things again in a way that's convenient for me." literally what MAGA cultists do. "don't call people you disagree with nazis!" is unfortunately also what people say when people call non-nazis 'nazis,' such as progressive groups like feminists or atheists. now suddenly both are nazis? and they have to fight each-other instead of the heritage foundation? why can't a single person here actually engage with this part of the conversation instead of the made up one they want to simplify to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dantel@programming.dev 15 points 8 months ago Lol, you're funny. Nobody is calling anybody a nazi here. Only people outing themselves. Let me spell it out for you again: being called a nazi is not some common experience people make. In general, people don't feel like this is some huge problem that needs a broad discussion. And of course I'm sure as fuck not engaging in your straw man discussions, haha. 'Uhhh, don't call people something they're not, uhhh'. We're not kindergarten children. It's funny to see you desperately trying to justify why the fuck you are so triggered by this to such an extent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago Can you please type out the post word for word then explain exactly which line is telling people to call anyone Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dantel@programming.dev 16 points 8 months ago (2 children) Lol. No it doesn't. Here is what it literally says: Post 'fuck nazis'. Watch for the 'don't call people you disagree with nazis!' comments. You found the nazis. Nowhere does it tell you to call out people. The second point tells you to watch for specific kind of comments. That's 100% passive. You know, exactly those kind of comments you provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -8 points 8 months ago* (1 child) "i'm going to ignore all of your points and simplify things again in a way that's convenient for me." literally what MAGA cultists do. "don't call people you disagree with nazis!" is unfortunately also what people say when people call non-nazis 'nazis,' such as progressive groups like feminists or atheists. now suddenly both are nazis? and they have to fight each-other instead of the heritage foundation? why can't a single person here actually engage with this part of the conversation instead of the made up one they want to simplify to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dantel@programming.dev 15 points 8 months ago Lol, you're funny. Nobody is calling anybody a nazi here. Only people outing themselves. Let me spell it out for you again: being called a nazi is not some common experience people make. In general, people don't feel like this is some huge problem that needs a broad discussion. And of course I'm sure as fuck not engaging in your straw man discussions, haha. 'Uhhh, don't call people something they're not, uhhh'. We're not kindergarten children. It's funny to see you desperately trying to justify why the fuck you are so triggered by this to such an extent. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -8 points 8 months ago* (1 child) "i'm going to ignore all of your points and simplify things again in a way that's convenient for me." literally what MAGA cultists do. "don't call people you disagree with nazis!" is unfortunately also what people say when people call non-nazis 'nazis,' such as progressive groups like feminists or atheists. now suddenly both are nazis? and they have to fight each-other instead of the heritage foundation? why can't a single person here actually engage with this part of the conversation instead of the made up one they want to simplify to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dantel@programming.dev 15 points 8 months ago Lol, you're funny. Nobody is calling anybody a nazi here. Only people outing themselves. Let me spell it out for you again: being called a nazi is not some common experience people make. In general, people don't feel like this is some huge problem that needs a broad discussion. And of course I'm sure as fuck not engaging in your straw man discussions, haha. 'Uhhh, don't call people something they're not, uhhh'. We're not kindergarten children. It's funny to see you desperately trying to justify why the fuck you are so triggered by this to such an extent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dantel@programming.dev 15 points 8 months ago Lol, you're funny. Nobody is calling anybody a nazi here. Only people outing themselves. Let me spell it out for you again: being called a nazi is not some common experience people make. In general, people don't feel like this is some huge problem that needs a broad discussion. And of course I'm sure as fuck not engaging in your straw man discussions, haha. 'Uhhh, don't call people something they're not, uhhh'. We're not kindergarten children. It's funny to see you desperately trying to justify why the fuck you are so triggered by this to such an extent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) A fellow Heritage Foundation enjoyer, I see! A rare treat! Let me introduce you to THE COUNCIL OF FOREIGN RELATIONS, which is the parent of the HF. https://www.cfr.org/ Please note the membership of both organizations are often the same people. This is public information available at both orgs. https://www.heritage.org/ The CFR is the parent organization, sponsoring many academic studies that support their agenda. The Heritage Foundation is "CFR for dummies". You'll note no academic studies there, it's more directly opinion pieces, often with a Christian spin. This has been very effective in the USA for obvious reasons. If you're adventurous, please note the sponsors of the CFR and so on... it's a rabbit hole. Be careful with the truth in mixed company online, as you can be banned for "conspiracies", even if it is public information that can easily be verified through the actual organizations themselves. They don't even bother to hide it... why bother? The public is easily manipulated (as your story re atheists vs. Heritage affirms) p.s. oh dear, the poster I responded to has been banned. things aren't looking good for Mulligrubs permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Arctic_monkey@leminal.space -7 points 8 months ago* Hey, thanks for taking the time to express a nuanced and complex viewpoint. You're exactly the kind of person who gets lumped in with Nazis by the divisive, black-or-white stance championed in this post. I'd hoped that Lemmy would have more mature discussion like this, but as you can see in this thread, it's the same style of "join in the simplistic hatred or be considered the worst kind of enemy" bigotry here too. There're two claims being made here. Nazis are bad, we don't like them, and anyone who expresses disagreement with the statement "fuck Nazis" must be a Nazi. Most people agree with (1), but to many, me included, (2) is obviously false. There are many, many reasons people would disagree with "fuck Nazis or you are one", besides being a Nazi and wanting to defend them. Some just dislike profanity. Some don't want to generalize a historical term to today's distinct political factions. Others, like you, recognise that reality is complex, that this finger pointing, name calling strategy is something Nazis do too, or simply that it's not the way intelligent progressives should act. I genuinely believe that this"call everyone a Nazi" bullshit is part of what's fissioning our social network into antagonistic factions and causing us to waste our meagre collective political capital arguing about which bathroom a few people should use instead of solving our real, pressing global economic and environmental crises. Now, queue someone replying to insist I must be a Nazi because I didn't just jump on the hate bandwagon... permalink fedilink source parent
[+] jdr@lemmy.ml -12 points 8 months ago Nuance? Sounds awfully like Nazi! It feels better to make cartoon villains out of people who are wrong than to entertain any differences between the worst thing you can think of and someone who doesn't happen to share your views (however obviously correct they may seem). permalink fedilink source parent
[+] venusaur@lemmy.world -24 points 8 months ago (4 children) Nothing. I disagree with the sentiment of the post. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (3 children) The sentiment of the post is "fuck nazis". What do you disagree with about that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] venusaur@lemmy.world -23 points 8 months ago (2 children) No the sentiment is anybody who disagrees with calling people nazis is a nazi. We all know this term gets thrown around very loosely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago Nah, fuck nazis. If someone does nazi shit, they are nazis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago We all know you hear it a lot. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (3 children) The sentiment of the post is "fuck nazis". What do you disagree with about that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] venusaur@lemmy.world -23 points 8 months ago (2 children) No the sentiment is anybody who disagrees with calling people nazis is a nazi. We all know this term gets thrown around very loosely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago Nah, fuck nazis. If someone does nazi shit, they are nazis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago We all know you hear it a lot. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] venusaur@lemmy.world -23 points 8 months ago (2 children) No the sentiment is anybody who disagrees with calling people nazis is a nazi. We all know this term gets thrown around very loosely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago Nah, fuck nazis. If someone does nazi shit, they are nazis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago We all know you hear it a lot. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago Nah, fuck nazis. If someone does nazi shit, they are nazis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago We all know you hear it a lot. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dantel@programming.dev 43 points 8 months ago (2 children) It's so funny how good this works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 21 points 8 months ago i find it scary permalink fedilink source parent [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 28 points 8 months ago every time permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 28 points 8 months ago (10 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] venusaur@lemmy.world -23 points 8 months ago (9 children) Nothing. I disagree with the sentiment of the post. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 27 points 8 months ago (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 34 points 8 months ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 27 points 8 months ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 8 months ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] lemonwood@lemmy.ml 15 points 8 months ago Do you agree, that actual, genuine Nazis exist in the real world today? That they are more than ghosts from the past? Yes? Well, it's those actual, real existing, Nazis that this post is about. Who else but other Nazis would defend them? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 8 months ago (4 children) The post is we hate nazis and one way to find who they may be is say that and see who complains about being mean to nazis. The entire point is see who responds that's mean not call anyone specific a nazi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] venusaur@lemmy.world -19 points 8 months ago (3 children) Nobody is going to say “don’t call people you disagree with Nazis” unless you’re calling people you disagree with Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Arcadeep@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago First off, nobody said anything about calling people you disagree with Nazis besides you. Source: the meme OP posted. You can even read it yourself. Secondly, if someone disagrees with saying Nazis are bad, then they are in agreement with Nazi ideals which is the only real requirement to be a modern Nazi, therefore, disagreeing with that specific statement literally means you are a Nazi Thirdly, fuck Nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 8 months ago And yet multiple people in this very thread are doing exactly that at the thought of someone saying fuck nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago* Except for the last 10 years of nazis using it to hide behind the guise of SiMpLy DiSaGrEeInG, of course. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] venusaur@lemmy.world -23 points 8 months ago (9 children) Nothing. I disagree with the sentiment of the post. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 27 points 8 months ago (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 34 points 8 months ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 27 points 8 months ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 8 months ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] lemonwood@lemmy.ml 15 points 8 months ago Do you agree, that actual, genuine Nazis exist in the real world today? That they are more than ghosts from the past? Yes? Well, it's those actual, real existing, Nazis that this post is about. Who else but other Nazis would defend them? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 8 months ago (4 children) The post is we hate nazis and one way to find who they may be is say that and see who complains about being mean to nazis. The entire point is see who responds that's mean not call anyone specific a nazi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] venusaur@lemmy.world -19 points 8 months ago (3 children) Nobody is going to say “don’t call people you disagree with Nazis” unless you’re calling people you disagree with Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Arcadeep@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago First off, nobody said anything about calling people you disagree with Nazis besides you. Source: the meme OP posted. You can even read it yourself. Secondly, if someone disagrees with saying Nazis are bad, then they are in agreement with Nazi ideals which is the only real requirement to be a modern Nazi, therefore, disagreeing with that specific statement literally means you are a Nazi Thirdly, fuck Nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 8 months ago And yet multiple people in this very thread are doing exactly that at the thought of someone saying fuck nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago* Except for the last 10 years of nazis using it to hide behind the guise of SiMpLy DiSaGrEeInG, of course. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 27 points 8 months ago (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 34 points 8 months ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 27 points 8 months ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 8 months ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] lemonwood@lemmy.ml 15 points 8 months ago Do you agree, that actual, genuine Nazis exist in the real world today? That they are more than ghosts from the past? Yes? Well, it's those actual, real existing, Nazis that this post is about. Who else but other Nazis would defend them? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 8 months ago (4 children) The post is we hate nazis and one way to find who they may be is say that and see who complains about being mean to nazis. The entire point is see who responds that's mean not call anyone specific a nazi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] venusaur@lemmy.world -19 points 8 months ago (3 children) Nobody is going to say “don’t call people you disagree with Nazis” unless you’re calling people you disagree with Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Arcadeep@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago First off, nobody said anything about calling people you disagree with Nazis besides you. Source: the meme OP posted. You can even read it yourself. Secondly, if someone disagrees with saying Nazis are bad, then they are in agreement with Nazi ideals which is the only real requirement to be a modern Nazi, therefore, disagreeing with that specific statement literally means you are a Nazi Thirdly, fuck Nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 8 months ago And yet multiple people in this very thread are doing exactly that at the thought of someone saying fuck nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago* Except for the last 10 years of nazis using it to hide behind the guise of SiMpLy DiSaGrEeInG, of course. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 34 points 8 months ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 27 points 8 months ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 8 months ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] lemonwood@lemmy.ml 15 points 8 months ago Do you agree, that actual, genuine Nazis exist in the real world today? That they are more than ghosts from the past? Yes? Well, it's those actual, real existing, Nazis that this post is about. Who else but other Nazis would defend them? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 8 months ago (4 children) The post is we hate nazis and one way to find who they may be is say that and see who complains about being mean to nazis. The entire point is see who responds that's mean not call anyone specific a nazi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] venusaur@lemmy.world -19 points 8 months ago (3 children) Nobody is going to say “don’t call people you disagree with Nazis” unless you’re calling people you disagree with Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Arcadeep@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago First off, nobody said anything about calling people you disagree with Nazis besides you. Source: the meme OP posted. You can even read it yourself. Secondly, if someone disagrees with saying Nazis are bad, then they are in agreement with Nazi ideals which is the only real requirement to be a modern Nazi, therefore, disagreeing with that specific statement literally means you are a Nazi Thirdly, fuck Nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 8 months ago And yet multiple people in this very thread are doing exactly that at the thought of someone saying fuck nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago* Except for the last 10 years of nazis using it to hide behind the guise of SiMpLy DiSaGrEeInG, of course. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 34 points 8 months ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 27 points 8 months ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 8 months ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] lemonwood@lemmy.ml 15 points 8 months ago Do you agree, that actual, genuine Nazis exist in the real world today? That they are more than ghosts from the past? Yes? Well, it's those actual, real existing, Nazis that this post is about. Who else but other Nazis would defend them? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 8 months ago (4 children) The post is we hate nazis and one way to find who they may be is say that and see who complains about being mean to nazis. The entire point is see who responds that's mean not call anyone specific a nazi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] venusaur@lemmy.world -19 points 8 months ago (3 children) Nobody is going to say “don’t call people you disagree with Nazis” unless you’re calling people you disagree with Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Arcadeep@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago First off, nobody said anything about calling people you disagree with Nazis besides you. Source: the meme OP posted. You can even read it yourself. Secondly, if someone disagrees with saying Nazis are bad, then they are in agreement with Nazi ideals which is the only real requirement to be a modern Nazi, therefore, disagreeing with that specific statement literally means you are a Nazi Thirdly, fuck Nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 8 months ago And yet multiple people in this very thread are doing exactly that at the thought of someone saying fuck nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago* Except for the last 10 years of nazis using it to hide behind the guise of SiMpLy DiSaGrEeInG, of course. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 27 points 8 months ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 8 months ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] lemonwood@lemmy.ml 15 points 8 months ago Do you agree, that actual, genuine Nazis exist in the real world today? That they are more than ghosts from the past? Yes? Well, it's those actual, real existing, Nazis that this post is about. Who else but other Nazis would defend them? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 8 months ago (4 children) The post is we hate nazis and one way to find who they may be is say that and see who complains about being mean to nazis. The entire point is see who responds that's mean not call anyone specific a nazi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] venusaur@lemmy.world -19 points 8 months ago (3 children) Nobody is going to say “don’t call people you disagree with Nazis” unless you’re calling people you disagree with Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Arcadeep@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago First off, nobody said anything about calling people you disagree with Nazis besides you. Source: the meme OP posted. You can even read it yourself. Secondly, if someone disagrees with saying Nazis are bad, then they are in agreement with Nazi ideals which is the only real requirement to be a modern Nazi, therefore, disagreeing with that specific statement literally means you are a Nazi Thirdly, fuck Nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 8 months ago And yet multiple people in this very thread are doing exactly that at the thought of someone saying fuck nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago* Except for the last 10 years of nazis using it to hide behind the guise of SiMpLy DiSaGrEeInG, of course. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 27 points 8 months ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 8 months ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] lemonwood@lemmy.ml 15 points 8 months ago Do you agree, that actual, genuine Nazis exist in the real world today? That they are more than ghosts from the past? Yes? Well, it's those actual, real existing, Nazis that this post is about. Who else but other Nazis would defend them? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 8 months ago (4 children) The post is we hate nazis and one way to find who they may be is say that and see who complains about being mean to nazis. The entire point is see who responds that's mean not call anyone specific a nazi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] venusaur@lemmy.world -19 points 8 months ago (3 children) Nobody is going to say “don’t call people you disagree with Nazis” unless you’re calling people you disagree with Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Arcadeep@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago First off, nobody said anything about calling people you disagree with Nazis besides you. Source: the meme OP posted. You can even read it yourself. Secondly, if someone disagrees with saying Nazis are bad, then they are in agreement with Nazi ideals which is the only real requirement to be a modern Nazi, therefore, disagreeing with that specific statement literally means you are a Nazi Thirdly, fuck Nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 8 months ago And yet multiple people in this very thread are doing exactly that at the thought of someone saying fuck nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago* Except for the last 10 years of nazis using it to hide behind the guise of SiMpLy DiSaGrEeInG, of course. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 8 months ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] lemonwood@lemmy.ml 15 points 8 months ago Do you agree, that actual, genuine Nazis exist in the real world today? That they are more than ghosts from the past? Yes? Well, it's those actual, real existing, Nazis that this post is about. Who else but other Nazis would defend them? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 8 months ago (4 children) The post is we hate nazis and one way to find who they may be is say that and see who complains about being mean to nazis. The entire point is see who responds that's mean not call anyone specific a nazi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] venusaur@lemmy.world -19 points 8 months ago (3 children) Nobody is going to say “don’t call people you disagree with Nazis” unless you’re calling people you disagree with Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Arcadeep@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago First off, nobody said anything about calling people you disagree with Nazis besides you. Source: the meme OP posted. You can even read it yourself. Secondly, if someone disagrees with saying Nazis are bad, then they are in agreement with Nazi ideals which is the only real requirement to be a modern Nazi, therefore, disagreeing with that specific statement literally means you are a Nazi Thirdly, fuck Nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 8 months ago And yet multiple people in this very thread are doing exactly that at the thought of someone saying fuck nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago* Except for the last 10 years of nazis using it to hide behind the guise of SiMpLy DiSaGrEeInG, of course. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 8 months ago* (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] lemonwood@lemmy.ml 15 points 8 months ago Do you agree, that actual, genuine Nazis exist in the real world today? That they are more than ghosts from the past? Yes? Well, it's those actual, real existing, Nazis that this post is about. Who else but other Nazis would defend them? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] lemonwood@lemmy.ml 15 points 8 months ago Do you agree, that actual, genuine Nazis exist in the real world today? That they are more than ghosts from the past? Yes? Well, it's those actual, real existing, Nazis that this post is about. Who else but other Nazis would defend them? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lemonwood@lemmy.ml 15 points 8 months ago Do you agree, that actual, genuine Nazis exist in the real world today? That they are more than ghosts from the past? Yes? Well, it's those actual, real existing, Nazis that this post is about. Who else but other Nazis would defend them? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 8 months ago (4 children) The post is we hate nazis and one way to find who they may be is say that and see who complains about being mean to nazis. The entire point is see who responds that's mean not call anyone specific a nazi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] venusaur@lemmy.world -19 points 8 months ago (3 children) Nobody is going to say “don’t call people you disagree with Nazis” unless you’re calling people you disagree with Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Arcadeep@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago First off, nobody said anything about calling people you disagree with Nazis besides you. Source: the meme OP posted. You can even read it yourself. Secondly, if someone disagrees with saying Nazis are bad, then they are in agreement with Nazi ideals which is the only real requirement to be a modern Nazi, therefore, disagreeing with that specific statement literally means you are a Nazi Thirdly, fuck Nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 8 months ago And yet multiple people in this very thread are doing exactly that at the thought of someone saying fuck nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago* Except for the last 10 years of nazis using it to hide behind the guise of SiMpLy DiSaGrEeInG, of course. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] venusaur@lemmy.world -19 points 8 months ago (3 children) Nobody is going to say “don’t call people you disagree with Nazis” unless you’re calling people you disagree with Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Arcadeep@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago First off, nobody said anything about calling people you disagree with Nazis besides you. Source: the meme OP posted. You can even read it yourself. Secondly, if someone disagrees with saying Nazis are bad, then they are in agreement with Nazi ideals which is the only real requirement to be a modern Nazi, therefore, disagreeing with that specific statement literally means you are a Nazi Thirdly, fuck Nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 8 months ago And yet multiple people in this very thread are doing exactly that at the thought of someone saying fuck nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago* Except for the last 10 years of nazis using it to hide behind the guise of SiMpLy DiSaGrEeInG, of course. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Arcadeep@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago First off, nobody said anything about calling people you disagree with Nazis besides you. Source: the meme OP posted. You can even read it yourself. Secondly, if someone disagrees with saying Nazis are bad, then they are in agreement with Nazi ideals which is the only real requirement to be a modern Nazi, therefore, disagreeing with that specific statement literally means you are a Nazi Thirdly, fuck Nazis permalink fedilink source parent
[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 8 months ago And yet multiple people in this very thread are doing exactly that at the thought of someone saying fuck nazis permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago* Except for the last 10 years of nazis using it to hide behind the guise of SiMpLy DiSaGrEeInG, of course. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml 21 points 8 months ago (7 children) Classic lib.world allowing fascists on their instance. Why am I not surprised? Post hog permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 25 points 8 months ago (2 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 18 points 8 months ago (1 child) LOL every time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] whelk@retrolemmy.com 4 points 8 months ago Thank you for your service permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tippy@sh.itjust.works 19 points 8 months ago (2 children) I have no dog in this fight, but you've literally been arguing for three hours that you definitely didn't mean to get upset at nazis being called out, after clearly getting upset about nazis being called out. Maybe you should put the phone down and do some self reflection rather than parroting right wing talking points and having a meltdown over something that should be easy to agree with (fuck nazis). The fact that you sling leftist around like an insult despite it being the most common political identifier in the world makes me think you'll likely just spew angry word vomit at me to make yourself feel justified that I'm an evil socialist, despite not knowing anything about me 🤷 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago (1 child) Didn't realize they used leftist as an insult, it's hilarious permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 8 months ago That honestly explains so much permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 25 points 8 months ago (2 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 18 points 8 months ago (1 child) LOL every time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] whelk@retrolemmy.com 4 points 8 months ago Thank you for your service permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tippy@sh.itjust.works 19 points 8 months ago (2 children) I have no dog in this fight, but you've literally been arguing for three hours that you definitely didn't mean to get upset at nazis being called out, after clearly getting upset about nazis being called out. Maybe you should put the phone down and do some self reflection rather than parroting right wing talking points and having a meltdown over something that should be easy to agree with (fuck nazis). The fact that you sling leftist around like an insult despite it being the most common political identifier in the world makes me think you'll likely just spew angry word vomit at me to make yourself feel justified that I'm an evil socialist, despite not knowing anything about me 🤷 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago (1 child) Didn't realize they used leftist as an insult, it's hilarious permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 8 months ago That honestly explains so much permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 25 points 8 months ago (2 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 18 points 8 months ago (1 child) LOL every time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] whelk@retrolemmy.com 4 points 8 months ago Thank you for your service permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 18 points 8 months ago (1 child) LOL every time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] whelk@retrolemmy.com 4 points 8 months ago Thank you for your service permalink fedilink source parent
[–] whelk@retrolemmy.com 4 points 8 months ago Thank you for your service permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tippy@sh.itjust.works 19 points 8 months ago (2 children) I have no dog in this fight, but you've literally been arguing for three hours that you definitely didn't mean to get upset at nazis being called out, after clearly getting upset about nazis being called out. Maybe you should put the phone down and do some self reflection rather than parroting right wing talking points and having a meltdown over something that should be easy to agree with (fuck nazis). The fact that you sling leftist around like an insult despite it being the most common political identifier in the world makes me think you'll likely just spew angry word vomit at me to make yourself feel justified that I'm an evil socialist, despite not knowing anything about me 🤷 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago (1 child) Didn't realize they used leftist as an insult, it's hilarious permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 8 months ago That honestly explains so much permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orc_princess@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago (1 child) Didn't realize they used leftist as an insult, it's hilarious permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 8 months ago That honestly explains so much permalink fedilink source parent
[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 8 months ago That honestly explains so much permalink fedilink source parent