▲ 452 ▼ The calls for a nationwide (US) shutdown this Friday (Jan 30) are growing louder (lemmy.ca) submitted 9 months ago by streetfestival@lemmy.ca to c/boycottus@lemmy.ca 34 comments fedilink hide all child comments https://universeodon.com/@KrajciTom/115967673993639921
[+] the_q@lemmy.zip 36 points 9 months ago (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] vatlark@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago (2 children) I do think it's important that we check ourselves. Having a lot footage I think also plays a big role, George Floyd being another example. I don't know of footage of the other ICE deaths, but maybe that's a bias at play. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hobovision@mander.xyz 18 points 9 months ago (1 child) There's also the "one death is a tragedy, 100 deaths is a statistic" situation happening. Another factor is that these murders are breaking through to the folks that see the violence of arrests and raids and the deaths and injury of detainees more as a necessary cost. They can't justify these murders in their world view and they can empathize with them because they know these people did "nothing wrong" and were still killed. Maybe it could be them next? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] definitemaybe@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago The big difference with the two recent ICE murders is that the video evidence: Is graphic Clearly shows no wrongdoing on the part of the victims Shows sudden and completely unnecessary escalation to murder And they were both US citizens, so ICE has no jurisdiction. So it doesn't even matter if they were serial murderers—that's a police matter, not immigration. (And, obviously, being white and valued members of their communities matters, too.) Contrast that with: The Canadian who died in custody because they were denied access to necessary life-saving medications has plausible deniability. Many deaths by suicide in custody are "their fault" because they did it. ICE shootings without video evidence could plausibly be self-defense. Etc. Plus, they're (mostly) not American citizens, so ICE could have a legal reason to detain them "with force" for "resisting arrest" (or whatever they want to spin). permalink fedilink source parent [–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 30 points 9 months ago (1 child) For a long time the powers that be have played us against eachother with "them and us" tactics. When its 'them' dying its not a problem, they might have had it coming, its a 'them' thing. When they do it to 'us', recent converts realise one of two things ; [we were all us all along and they played me for a fool] or [they're coming after us too]. Either way, they're now an ally. You can preach at them when this is over, and sort the 1st and 2nd kind apart at a more convenient time. Don't try and shame them for not coming onside sooner, it'll only create problems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hector@lemmy.today 3 points 9 months ago Curse of the left, exploited by the oligarchy, infighting. Half of members join left groups to kick the other half out. permalink fedilink source parent [–] in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social 31 points 9 months ago Yup, it's why Racism is considered systemic in this country. Also they aren't just murdering people in the streets. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jan/04/ice-2025-deaths-timeline https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/27/us-witnessed-many-ice-related-deaths-in-2026-here-are-their-stories permalink fedilink source parent [–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 9 months ago Ok well they're activated now bring em in permalink fedilink source parent [–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago I have seen a lot of online chatter that starts with 'but he was a white guy'. Tells you a lot about the average american's view of the world. permalink fedilink source parent [–] figjam@midwest.social 5 points 9 months ago I guess nevermind then. permalink fedilink source parent [–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Yes, but at the same time, they do care about these 2, so we should use their names. Putting individual faces to the victims is powerful, but if we put 100 faces out there's they all get lost in the crowd and it stops feeling personal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vatlark@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago (2 children) I do think it's important that we check ourselves. Having a lot footage I think also plays a big role, George Floyd being another example. I don't know of footage of the other ICE deaths, but maybe that's a bias at play. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hobovision@mander.xyz 18 points 9 months ago (1 child) There's also the "one death is a tragedy, 100 deaths is a statistic" situation happening. Another factor is that these murders are breaking through to the folks that see the violence of arrests and raids and the deaths and injury of detainees more as a necessary cost. They can't justify these murders in their world view and they can empathize with them because they know these people did "nothing wrong" and were still killed. Maybe it could be them next? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] definitemaybe@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago The big difference with the two recent ICE murders is that the video evidence: Is graphic Clearly shows no wrongdoing on the part of the victims Shows sudden and completely unnecessary escalation to murder And they were both US citizens, so ICE has no jurisdiction. So it doesn't even matter if they were serial murderers—that's a police matter, not immigration. (And, obviously, being white and valued members of their communities matters, too.) Contrast that with: The Canadian who died in custody because they were denied access to necessary life-saving medications has plausible deniability. Many deaths by suicide in custody are "their fault" because they did it. ICE shootings without video evidence could plausibly be self-defense. Etc. Plus, they're (mostly) not American citizens, so ICE could have a legal reason to detain them "with force" for "resisting arrest" (or whatever they want to spin). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hobovision@mander.xyz 18 points 9 months ago (1 child) There's also the "one death is a tragedy, 100 deaths is a statistic" situation happening. Another factor is that these murders are breaking through to the folks that see the violence of arrests and raids and the deaths and injury of detainees more as a necessary cost. They can't justify these murders in their world view and they can empathize with them because they know these people did "nothing wrong" and were still killed. Maybe it could be them next? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] definitemaybe@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago The big difference with the two recent ICE murders is that the video evidence: Is graphic Clearly shows no wrongdoing on the part of the victims Shows sudden and completely unnecessary escalation to murder And they were both US citizens, so ICE has no jurisdiction. So it doesn't even matter if they were serial murderers—that's a police matter, not immigration. (And, obviously, being white and valued members of their communities matters, too.) Contrast that with: The Canadian who died in custody because they were denied access to necessary life-saving medications has plausible deniability. Many deaths by suicide in custody are "their fault" because they did it. ICE shootings without video evidence could plausibly be self-defense. Etc. Plus, they're (mostly) not American citizens, so ICE could have a legal reason to detain them "with force" for "resisting arrest" (or whatever they want to spin). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] definitemaybe@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago The big difference with the two recent ICE murders is that the video evidence: Is graphic Clearly shows no wrongdoing on the part of the victims Shows sudden and completely unnecessary escalation to murder And they were both US citizens, so ICE has no jurisdiction. So it doesn't even matter if they were serial murderers—that's a police matter, not immigration. (And, obviously, being white and valued members of their communities matters, too.) Contrast that with: The Canadian who died in custody because they were denied access to necessary life-saving medications has plausible deniability. Many deaths by suicide in custody are "their fault" because they did it. ICE shootings without video evidence could plausibly be self-defense. Etc. Plus, they're (mostly) not American citizens, so ICE could have a legal reason to detain them "with force" for "resisting arrest" (or whatever they want to spin). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 30 points 9 months ago (1 child) For a long time the powers that be have played us against eachother with "them and us" tactics. When its 'them' dying its not a problem, they might have had it coming, its a 'them' thing. When they do it to 'us', recent converts realise one of two things ; [we were all us all along and they played me for a fool] or [they're coming after us too]. Either way, they're now an ally. You can preach at them when this is over, and sort the 1st and 2nd kind apart at a more convenient time. Don't try and shame them for not coming onside sooner, it'll only create problems. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hector@lemmy.today 3 points 9 months ago Curse of the left, exploited by the oligarchy, infighting. Half of members join left groups to kick the other half out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hector@lemmy.today 3 points 9 months ago Curse of the left, exploited by the oligarchy, infighting. Half of members join left groups to kick the other half out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social 31 points 9 months ago Yup, it's why Racism is considered systemic in this country. Also they aren't just murdering people in the streets. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jan/04/ice-2025-deaths-timeline https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/27/us-witnessed-many-ice-related-deaths-in-2026-here-are-their-stories permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 9 months ago Ok well they're activated now bring em in permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago I have seen a lot of online chatter that starts with 'but he was a white guy'. Tells you a lot about the average american's view of the world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] figjam@midwest.social 5 points 9 months ago I guess nevermind then. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Yes, but at the same time, they do care about these 2, so we should use their names. Putting individual faces to the victims is powerful, but if we put 100 faces out there's they all get lost in the crowd and it stops feeling personal. permalink fedilink source parent
