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[–] -4 points 9 months ago (66 children)

You've already stepped into the "I'm vegan btw" by saying something like omni lol

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (44 children)

    I eat meat and you're being a twat.

    Veganism is a good cause and we can all learn a thing or two about sustainability from them. Stop acting like they're out here to take your oh-so-precious meat away from you. Eat a vegetable or two so you can get that turd out of your ass.

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    I wholly agree that beyond just sustainability, the reduction of suffering for animals is in the heart of veganism.

    That being said, it's not the most effective argument to sway us meat eaters. When people think of animal suffering, it brings shame and guilt and makes some people defensive. This is why some people hate vegans, because it's a reflection of their own inadequacies. They revel at finding proselytizing vegans to pull apart because it lets them tell the world 'See? This is what all vegans are like. I'm not like that and therefore I am a good person.'

    Self-interest is the easiest way to goad people into thinking about veganism without hurting any egos. If you rephrase veganism as a matter of self-preservation and not a moral issue, people are more open to that.

    It's much easier to make the world eat 10% less meat than make 10% of everyone a vegan. Veganism for all isn't the answer yet, because human incentives don't work that way. Instead of promoting veganism, it's much more achievable to ask people to do things like meatless Mondays.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (35 children)

    I don't think you can speak for all vegans. It's a diet, not a religion.

    From the Wikipedia page: "People who follow a vegan diet for the benefits to the environment, their health or for religion are regularly also described as vegans."

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (33 children)

    it's neither a diet nor a religion. it's a philosophy and way of living

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (32 children)

    Diet:

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    a: food and drink regularly provided or consumed

    a diet of fruits and vegetables; a vegetarian diet

    b: habitual nourishment

    links between diet and disease

    c: the kind and amount of food prescribed for a person or animal for a special reason

    was put on a low-sodium diet

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/diet

    Veganism is, by definition, a diet. It just happens to (often) be based on a philosophy by the same name.

    You wouldn't say "pragmatism isn't an approach to problem solving! It's a philosophy!" It's both.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (8 children)

    That's exactly what happened, and any other explanation renders that quote irrelevant to the discussion.

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    I did. I don't think you did properly. You missed the part where it says "ethical Veganism" at the beginning of the second paragraph. You're describing ethical Veganism, but the term Veganism can be used by many more people. To use your example, TERFs are feminists, but not all feminists are TERFs.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago* (20 children)

    Iβ€˜m an omni myself. I prefer it over β€žnon-veganβ€œ.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (16 children)

    It just sounds weird. I guess it's not wrong, but referring to the "normal" with a term that sounds like you're referring to an outlier is weird.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    just because you're in the biggest "-ism" doesn't mean you're not in one.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

    Yes, but it doesn't make it any less unusual to refer to it that way.

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    I am in awe of your self righteousness.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    So we shouldn't call people heterosexual or cisgender?

    It having a name is not treating it as an outlier. It's just using the name. Omnivorous: you eat any kind of food.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I also thought calling people cishet was weird. Though I guess I got used to seeing it since I visit places where the terminology is common.

    Most people who aren't on social media much probably barely know the term.

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