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[–] 16 points 9 months ago (44 children)

I eat meat and you're being a twat.

Veganism is a good cause and we can all learn a thing or two about sustainability from them. Stop acting like they're out here to take your oh-so-precious meat away from you. Eat a vegetable or two so you can get that turd out of your ass.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I wholly agree that beyond just sustainability, the reduction of suffering for animals is in the heart of veganism.

    That being said, it's not the most effective argument to sway us meat eaters. When people think of animal suffering, it brings shame and guilt and makes some people defensive. This is why some people hate vegans, because it's a reflection of their own inadequacies. They revel at finding proselytizing vegans to pull apart because it lets them tell the world 'See? This is what all vegans are like. I'm not like that and therefore I am a good person.'

    Self-interest is the easiest way to goad people into thinking about veganism without hurting any egos. If you rephrase veganism as a matter of self-preservation and not a moral issue, people are more open to that.

    It's much easier to make the world eat 10% less meat than make 10% of everyone a vegan. Veganism for all isn't the answer yet, because human incentives don't work that way. Instead of promoting veganism, it's much more achievable to ask people to do things like meatless Mondays.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (35 children)

    I don't think you can speak for all vegans. It's a diet, not a religion.

    From the Wikipedia page: "People who follow a vegan diet for the benefits to the environment, their health or for religion are regularly also described as vegans."

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (33 children)

    it's neither a diet nor a religion. it's a philosophy and way of living

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (32 children)

    Diet:

    1

    a: food and drink regularly provided or consumed

    a diet of fruits and vegetables; a vegetarian diet

    b: habitual nourishment

    links between diet and disease

    c: the kind and amount of food prescribed for a person or animal for a special reason

    was put on a low-sodium diet

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/diet

    Veganism is, by definition, a diet. It just happens to (often) be based on a philosophy by the same name.

    You wouldn't say "pragmatism isn't an approach to problem solving! It's a philosophy!" It's both.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (31 children)

    Dictionaries are often treated as the final arbiter in arguments over a word's meaning, but they are not always well suited for settling disputes. The lexicographer's role is to explain how words are (or have been) actually used, not how some may feel that they should be used, and they say nothing about the intrinsic nature of the thing named or described by a word, much less the significance it may have for individuals. When discussing concepts like veganism, therefore, it is prudent to recognize that quoting from a dictionary is unlikely to either mollify or persuade the person with whom one is arguing.

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    marriam webster

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (30 children)

    "Dictionaries don't give the correct definition of words; how I feel a word should exclusively be used is what ultimately matters" -commie

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    this is a strawman. prima facie bad faith

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    Not at all.

    The lexicographer's role is to explain how words are (or have been) actually used, not how some may feel that they should be used

    You interpreted this to mean that "how [you] may feel that they should be used" is more correct than "how words are (or have been) actually used." That's on you, dude.

    Just because you can't be mollified or persuaded doesn't mean you're correct; otherwise maga would be the champions of debate.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    You interpreted this to mean that "how [you] may feel that they should be used

    no. I didn't.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (8 children)

    That's exactly what happened, and any other explanation renders that quote irrelevant to the discussion.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    I'm the authority on how I inerpreted it. you're simply wrong

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    You're the authority on what you meant, not on what you said. You can't tell me to reject the evidence of my eyes.

    Either way, it doesn't matter, because you're not the authority on the English language, words have meanings, and your definition of diet was simply wrong. Just because it means something different to you doesn't mean the whole world has to bend itself around your delusions.

    Veganism is a diet. Whether or not it's also a philosophy doesn't change that.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    just saying things doesn't make them true.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Funny enough, that debunks your argument rather than mine.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I've made an argument just as strong as yours.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (17 children)

    I quoted the same lexicographer you did.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (16 children)

    If you quote something without properly annotating it in an academic setting, it can be considered plagiarism.

    You used nothing to indicate that that block of text was actually a quotation.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    this is a forum and I linked to the source

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    I'll make this simple for you. In standard English, quotations are normally annotated like this:

    "Quote."

    On forums, there is an additional way of annotating quotations and it looks like this:

    Quote.

    You did neither.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    you're not my professor and this isn't an academic institution.

    go fuck yourself

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    Wah, commie's upset because he can't construct a proper argument

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    It's exactly what's happening, you just can't see it with your head that far up your own ass.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    just saying this doesn't make it true. you'll need some kind of evidence.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    I already showed you the fucking dictionary, and your response was "but my feelings matter more than the definition of words."

    We're done here.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    your response was "but my feelings matter more than the definition of words."

    that's not true

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I did. I don't think you did properly. You missed the part where it says "ethical Veganism" at the beginning of the second paragraph. You're describing ethical Veganism, but the term Veganism can be used by many more people. To use your example, TERFs are feminists, but not all feminists are TERFs.

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  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Veganism is a good cause a

    i kind of doubt it.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I remember you! you're the one recommending people download the fucking burger king app lol

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