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[+] AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 29 points 10 months ago (13 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 36 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children) Not arguing here. But just want to point out that disability subculture usually arises as a survival response in the face of discrimination and segregation. Everyone has a need for community and a sense of belonging. When broad hegemonic culture rejects you and your presence, belonging is found in the one distinctive feature that is the cause for the rejection and the source of cohesion with your peers. See also gay subculture as a response to homophobia, US black culture as a response to racism, feminist sorority subculture in response to misogyny, etc. So it is not rare to see disability subculture as a response to ableism. These communities are very important for security and preservation of individuals. Just as everywhere else, security is always a trade-off with something else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 1 point 10 months ago Support community? Great. Using it as an excuse or identity like many autistic people do? Cringe. You don't see black people going around talking jive, and then going, "oh sorry, you see I'm black" when they catch a confused look... permalink fedilink source parent [+] Nitrate55@lemmy.ml -7 points 10 months ago (1 child) None of that changes the fact that lobbying against curing a child's deafness/blindness when it can be cured is fucked up. Interesting how you chose to just not engage with that point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago I told you, I'm not arguing. I actually agree on that point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus 13 points 10 months ago We wouldn’t need a subculture if we weren’t oppressed and excluded from normal culture. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stray@pawb.social 9 points 10 months ago (5 children) Obviously autism can vary between people, but it's not something that's wrong with me, and I wouldn't want to cure it. I'm different than what's widely considered normal, but in a way that I think is fine. It's like having red hair or being transgender. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 2 points 10 months ago (4 children) High functioning autism is a fine character trait to identify with. Though I seriously doubt someone who's basically mute takes pride in their autism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Nowhere did I ever defend discrimination. I merely said some people do not have a form they'd likely be proud of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 1 point 10 months ago I dislike pride in general. Nobody should take pride in anything literally inaliable, just like nobody should be shamed for it. They should be comfortable in their own skin and not made to feel lesser for sure, though pride? Ehh... It's a dangerous, blinding emotion. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] stray@pawb.social 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) Nonverbal people are free to make up their own mind how they feel about it, but calling it "cringe" when people choose to come together over a shared identity and experience is extremely insulting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 0 points 10 months ago Nowhere did I ever call making a community cringe. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 2 points 10 months ago* I'd say subculture is fine. A subculture doesn't have to be bad or annoying. Identifying with autism is also totally fine. Recognizing kinship isn't bad. Where it goes wrong is using it as an identity outright. "Sorry, I'm autistic" is just fucking more annoying after someone does something annoyingly autistic. Being autistic doesn't mean you literally cannot learn good social behavior. By the time that is true, there is definitely something more serious than autism involved. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 10 months ago Quick question, are you disabled yourself? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 36 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children) Not arguing here. But just want to point out that disability subculture usually arises as a survival response in the face of discrimination and segregation. Everyone has a need for community and a sense of belonging. When broad hegemonic culture rejects you and your presence, belonging is found in the one distinctive feature that is the cause for the rejection and the source of cohesion with your peers. See also gay subculture as a response to homophobia, US black culture as a response to racism, feminist sorority subculture in response to misogyny, etc. So it is not rare to see disability subculture as a response to ableism. These communities are very important for security and preservation of individuals. Just as everywhere else, security is always a trade-off with something else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 1 point 10 months ago Support community? Great. Using it as an excuse or identity like many autistic people do? Cringe. You don't see black people going around talking jive, and then going, "oh sorry, you see I'm black" when they catch a confused look... permalink fedilink source parent [+] Nitrate55@lemmy.ml -7 points 10 months ago (1 child) None of that changes the fact that lobbying against curing a child's deafness/blindness when it can be cured is fucked up. Interesting how you chose to just not engage with that point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago I told you, I'm not arguing. I actually agree on that point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 1 point 10 months ago Support community? Great. Using it as an excuse or identity like many autistic people do? Cringe. You don't see black people going around talking jive, and then going, "oh sorry, you see I'm black" when they catch a confused look... permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Nitrate55@lemmy.ml -7 points 10 months ago (1 child) None of that changes the fact that lobbying against curing a child's deafness/blindness when it can be cured is fucked up. Interesting how you chose to just not engage with that point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago I told you, I'm not arguing. I actually agree on that point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago I told you, I'm not arguing. I actually agree on that point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus 13 points 10 months ago We wouldn’t need a subculture if we weren’t oppressed and excluded from normal culture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stray@pawb.social 9 points 10 months ago (5 children) Obviously autism can vary between people, but it's not something that's wrong with me, and I wouldn't want to cure it. I'm different than what's widely considered normal, but in a way that I think is fine. It's like having red hair or being transgender. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 2 points 10 months ago (4 children) High functioning autism is a fine character trait to identify with. Though I seriously doubt someone who's basically mute takes pride in their autism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Nowhere did I ever defend discrimination. I merely said some people do not have a form they'd likely be proud of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 1 point 10 months ago I dislike pride in general. Nobody should take pride in anything literally inaliable, just like nobody should be shamed for it. They should be comfortable in their own skin and not made to feel lesser for sure, though pride? Ehh... It's a dangerous, blinding emotion. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] stray@pawb.social 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) Nonverbal people are free to make up their own mind how they feel about it, but calling it "cringe" when people choose to come together over a shared identity and experience is extremely insulting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 0 points 10 months ago Nowhere did I ever call making a community cringe. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 2 points 10 months ago (4 children) High functioning autism is a fine character trait to identify with. Though I seriously doubt someone who's basically mute takes pride in their autism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Nowhere did I ever defend discrimination. I merely said some people do not have a form they'd likely be proud of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 1 point 10 months ago I dislike pride in general. Nobody should take pride in anything literally inaliable, just like nobody should be shamed for it. They should be comfortable in their own skin and not made to feel lesser for sure, though pride? Ehh... It's a dangerous, blinding emotion. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] stray@pawb.social 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) Nonverbal people are free to make up their own mind how they feel about it, but calling it "cringe" when people choose to come together over a shared identity and experience is extremely insulting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 0 points 10 months ago Nowhere did I ever call making a community cringe. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Nowhere did I ever defend discrimination. I merely said some people do not have a form they'd likely be proud of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 1 point 10 months ago I dislike pride in general. Nobody should take pride in anything literally inaliable, just like nobody should be shamed for it. They should be comfortable in their own skin and not made to feel lesser for sure, though pride? Ehh... It's a dangerous, blinding emotion. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) Nowhere did I ever defend discrimination. I merely said some people do not have a form they'd likely be proud of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 1 point 10 months ago I dislike pride in general. Nobody should take pride in anything literally inaliable, just like nobody should be shamed for it. They should be comfortable in their own skin and not made to feel lesser for sure, though pride? Ehh... It's a dangerous, blinding emotion. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 1 point 10 months ago I dislike pride in general. Nobody should take pride in anything literally inaliable, just like nobody should be shamed for it. They should be comfortable in their own skin and not made to feel lesser for sure, though pride? Ehh... It's a dangerous, blinding emotion. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 1 point 10 months ago I dislike pride in general. Nobody should take pride in anything literally inaliable, just like nobody should be shamed for it. They should be comfortable in their own skin and not made to feel lesser for sure, though pride? Ehh... It's a dangerous, blinding emotion. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stray@pawb.social 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) Nonverbal people are free to make up their own mind how they feel about it, but calling it "cringe" when people choose to come together over a shared identity and experience is extremely insulting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 0 points 10 months ago Nowhere did I ever call making a community cringe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 0 points 10 months ago Nowhere did I ever call making a community cringe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 2 points 10 months ago* I'd say subculture is fine. A subculture doesn't have to be bad or annoying. Identifying with autism is also totally fine. Recognizing kinship isn't bad. Where it goes wrong is using it as an identity outright. "Sorry, I'm autistic" is just fucking more annoying after someone does something annoyingly autistic. Being autistic doesn't mean you literally cannot learn good social behavior. By the time that is true, there is definitely something more serious than autism involved. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 10 months ago Quick question, are you disabled yourself? permalink fedilink source parent