Currently, only GOG and Itch are still selling this game.

EDIT: It seems the game has returned to Humble Bundle.

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[–] 17 points 11 months ago (24 children)

My understanding is that there was a scene where a young girl rides a naked man/woman around. Apparently it has since been changed to make the child older, but... I can perfectly understand why anyone would be hesitant to accept such a game based on that description alone. Even if it's not intended to be sexual, the developers were certainly pushing the line

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  • [+] -8 points 11 months ago (23 children)

    That’s not how this works, you don’t get to decide what is acceptable for other people. It’s people like you who galvanize Mastercard and Visa in trying to control what kind of content we’re “allowed” to purchase.

    To be clear this all sounds repugnant to me, but i realize Im not the sole arbiter of taste and have no interest in telling other adults what (legal) things they are and aren’t allowed to do.

    If the game is so bad it’ll tank, it doesn’t need outside forces influencing it.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (12 children)

    Um, he didn't say he was deciding for others, he said he could understand how others would be hesitant... sounded like he was supporting your very point that people have a right to have their own opinion.

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  • [+] -8 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    The only reason someone wouldn’t want to sell something is because of pressure from others - you boil it down enough and the logic is “I don’t want to sell this because others will judge me”, which stems directly from others judgement, being my entire point.

    You can claim “Valve doesn’t want to sell it for moral reasons”, but they’re not a moral body, they’re a corporation - their only job is to earn money.

    The more people feel they can dictate what a retailer sells, the worse it gets for all of us, and retailers choosing to drop things rather than “roc k the boat” is a problem.

    Sure, this is a pretty repugnant case, but the slippery slope starts somewhere.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    the slippery slope starts somewhere.

    You know slippery slope is a fallacy right? The "slippery slope" can also stop anywhere.

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

    I regret my short hand of “slippery slope” but it’s not a coincidence that less than 6 months ago payment processors used their influence to get a game pulled from steam and now all of a sudden steam is self censoring based on content.

    Whatever the non-fallacious version of “there’s an escalating pattern here” is what’s happening.

    Go ahead and read up https://lifehacker.com/entertainment/why-steam-banned-adult-games

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Except this particular ban happened in 2023, way before the paypros got in the scene.

    https://www.gamesindustry.biz/santa-ragione-co-founder-pietro-righi-riva-on-horses-steam-and-possible-closure-of-the-studio

    Along with the official release date of the game (December 2), the statement revealed that Horses was indefinitely banned on Steam in June 2023 – days before it was set to premiere on IGN's Summer of Gaming event.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Do the other stores hosting the game have the same payment processors?

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  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Let’s finish our conversation about steam before we set up a goal post move.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    You claimed Steam banned this because of the payment processors. The same payment processors being used by stores that didn't ban this. Seems a relevant point to the discussion we are having.

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I’M not claiming steam pulled it due to pressure from payment processors, VALVE reported it. You’d know that if you read the article I posted.

    If you want to participate in the discussion you have to do the reading.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    The article from July explains why Steam banned this game last month, despite Itch (which stopped selling certain games due to the payment processors) is selling it?

    Who is this article writer that can see 4 months into the future?!

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    People are free to pressure retailers on what to sell and what not too. Saying they can't would be far worse. And the retailer is doing the job of making money... by following the 2ishes of the populace. This is the free market capitalist society we live in. Completly sucks, but it is consistent.

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  • I don’t disagree, I’m just calling the people who choose to complain morons, because again I don’t believe they should be the arbiters of what is acceptable.

    Basically, you’re free to have your opinion, but keep it to your fucking self and your fucking echo chambers you regressive fucking failures (the general you, not you specifically)

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    That's not how that works. You don't get to decide what a store does and does not sell. Steam refuses hundreds of games a year, this one doesn't get special treatment.

    Saying "I understand why (store) would not want to carry this product" is not the same as saying "no store should carry this product."

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  • [+] -6 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    I’m not admonishing the store, as you said it’s up to them to carry what they like. I’m admonishing you and people like you for trying to exert pressure on the store to not carry something you personally don’t like, because again, you’re not intended to be in charge of what others sell.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    When did I (or anyone else) exert pressure on Steam to not carry this? My understanding is this is a decision Steam made.

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    Earlier this year steam updated its guidelines to prohibit content that “may violate the rules and standards set forth by steam payment processors and related card networks”

    Visa and Mastercard pressured steam to remove a game because they didn’t agree with its content. Visa and Mastercard only care because they believe they end users care - that’s you, a potential end user of visa and Mastercards service. Valve only cares because visa and Mastercard care.

    You saying “I see why they wouldn’t want to sell the game” helps them to pressure steam into self censorship.

    You’re speaking with an awful lot of confidence on stuff you don’t seem to be very well versed in.

    For example, you somehow missed the fact that just months after payment processors forced steam to remove a game, they’re suddenly self-censoring.

    Go ahead and read up https://lifehacker.com/entertainment/why-steam-banned-adult-games

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    You've fabricated a straw man, and appear to be furious at it

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    Visa and Mastercard literally used their influence to get a game pulled from steam this year. So less of a strawman and more “Exhibit A”.

    Go ahead and read up https://lifehacker.com/entertainment/why-steam-banned-adult-games

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