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[–] -1 points 11 months ago (60 children)

That tends to happen when you have a monopoly on an industry where you get 30% of the revenue from other people's hard work.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Go do your own game shop with the feature set of steam.
    We have seen how well that was executed with Epic.

    I wouldnt even call the GOG implementation bad but it obviously lacks the PR in comparison (+ games like CP2077 are also available on Steam)

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    You could defend Amazon with that logic. the fact that the barrier of entry is high is exactly what let's Steam, Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo abuse of their soft monopoly.

    Nothing justifies owning a billion dollars worth of of boats.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Amazon tried and failed, too.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Which is surprising, considering how much money they generate off amazon store.

    All it takes is to give a good service like Valve does. But somehow, as in Zippy's pic, competition keeps shooting themselves in a foot. Probably due to shareholders that Valve does not have.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Tbf, I wouldnt even touch Amazon with a kilometer long pole even if the game was free.
    I order on Amazon only if the physical item is the cheaper AND easier option to order from (usually because I can only get thing A but not B).
    If I can avoid it, I will try to.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (35 children)

    Remind me again which game developer had to release their game on Steam? Or which publisher had no choice but to market on the platform? And are you the sole user forced to use Steam, or was that someone else...?

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (17 children)

    If I want my game to sell I have to release on Steam, though.

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    It would really help if the would-be competitors focused on consumer-facing features rather than... whatever it is they're doing. GoG is doing a great job of this, but EGS is still missing even the most basic features years later, because they keep trying to get market share through buying exclusives and giving away free games and that's sadly never going to work out. They just don't understand what the consumers in the industry they're trying to operate in want.

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  • [–] -4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah sure, but acting like I don’t need Steam for my game to sell is untrue.

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Interesting that first part... Respectfully, no one is entitled to sales on any platform. As a consumer, I've tried other launchers and stores. I hate them all. I choose to only use Steam (for the time being). It's simply choosing the superior option, but it is an option. I can't say the same for my internet, energy, or cable companies...

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Respectfully, no one is entitled to sales on any platform.

    I’ve never said that. Of course if I‘m publishing a game I want it to be successful. If I was a book publisher, I‘d have to sell via Amazon, too, simply because a lot of people never buy anywhere else. It is a requirement to sell on Steam for a successful campaign, and OP implied otherwise.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Minecraft, Star Sector, Dwarf Fortress until recently. Stores like Epic and GOG and itch.io.

    Plus Steam gives you content distribution, discussions, patches, all for free.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    If I’d say to my publisher „but I don’t want to publish on Steam“ I can look for another publisher. You don’t need to defend Steam, I didn’t attack it by stating that you need to publish on the biggest platform.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Hey look, the contrarian is back! Wow! I thought you would take some time to reflect after your wack takes.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I don‘t think it’s very contrarian or whack to acknowledge the fact that I may need to sell on the biggest platform if I want my game to do well.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm referring to your prior comments and history speaking in communities. The most recent one I remember involved Portal, Half-life, and counterstrike.

    You're not at Lembot_0005 level comments yet tho, so that's good.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Yes, harassing users without context based on previous comments in other threads is much more valuable for a community. I don’t even remember having contrarian opinions about Portal or Half-Life, they are my favourite series‘.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (13 children)

    Doesn't make it less of a monopoly.

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    I think the difference here is that Valve isn't forcing a monopoly in the way our tech overlords like Google and Amazon do through acquisitions and regulatory capture.

    Several companies have tried and mostly failed to compete with Steam, I'm primarily thinking of whatever the EA and Ubisoft launchers are. The two closest have been GOG whom I would argue is fairly successful considering what their goals are and Epic, whom I would say is much less so.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago* (10 children)

    This is the key point people are missing.

    Valve arent paying for exclusives or anything, they are just delivering a far better product than anyone else. GOG has it's DRM-free market, but outside of that, there's nothing close. Even if Epic Games had feature parity, fuck that company.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    I never mentioned Amazon, but it's really no comparison, even the FTC in the USA has filed suits against them for monopolistic and illegal behaviour.

    Ive never seen an advert for Steam myself, outside of on their own platform or a video on their own YouTube channel. They sell largely through word of mouth. I suppose recently they offered journalists to visit their HQ to show off their new hardware.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Valve employees aren't pissing in bottles. Amazon also does a bunch of shitty things on their marketplace (Amazon basics) and killed all the competition.

    There's a huge difference in ethics here.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    A lot of indie companies would not exists if there wasn't a storefront like Steam that handles worldwide transactions, distributes the game and increases their discoverability.

    There are other options, such as itch.io.

    If you think Valve's cut should be lower, you're free to make your own marketplace and compete.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    A monopoly (from Greek μόνος, mónos, 'single, alone' and πωλεῖν, pōleîn, 'to sell') is a market in which one person or company is the only supplier of a particular good or service. A monopoly is characterized by a lack of economic competition to produce a particular thing, a lack of viable substitute goods, and the possibility of a high monopoly price well above the seller's marginal cost that leads to a high monopoly profit.[1]

    Steam is not the only supplier of particular goods, they do not own the market, they have not the highest price and do not lack competition. It is just that their service is far better than whatever competition offers. Nothing stops Microsoft, EA and Epic to implement same features Steam does. Like, literally nothing. These companies have money to do so. They just chose not to.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (17 children)

    Mono=one poly=seller... and last I checked Steam is not the only seller of video games. They aren't even the only seller of digital video games. They aren't even the only seller of digital video games for SteamOS.

    They are the largest because they do what's right by their customers and employees. As a 'for instance', I bought Portal 2 for the PS3 many years ago. I no longer have my PS3 but I can still play Portal 2 (as well as Portal which was just thrown in for me) on any PC.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (10 children)

    Technically Steam is not a monopoly, but the way people commonly use the term these days is as simple as "majority market share".

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    Treat customers right and you get rewarded. They are the majority market shareholder because they have earned it, not through deceptive business practices but through being a great company.

    If they were a monopoly they wouldn't allow other game catalogs on their systems, yet I have GOG and Epic on my Steam Deck. In fact, there isn't even a requirement for me to have Steam on my Steam Deck. Just because a company is the market leader doesn't mean they got there through unethical means.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    You are equating “monopoly” with “abusive monopoly.”

    No, I'm not. I'm saying they aren't a monopoly by the simple fact that they aren't the only providers of the service they sell. And while they are currently in a position to use their power to make themselves a monopoly, they are not doing that and instead are playing fair with their competition.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    The gaming market is much larger than PC gaming.

    And Steam does not have an 80% market share on PC gaming, so who's lying?

    And finally, who the fuck do you think you are that I owe you a response?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I was going to just downvote and move on, but you seem unable to properly understand that a lack of a reply can mean different things, and you just assume that the person not replying to you agrees with you and is just too afraid to say so. Let me be clear... you are moving the goalposts and I see no point in having a discussion with someone who is not just dishonest in the conversation, but insists that it's others who are acting dishonestly.

    Steam does not have a monopoly on gaming. If you want to narrow that down to PC gaming then you're changing the subject, but even then, they do not have a monopoly on PC gaming because they are not the only sellers. They don't even have a monopoly on Linux gaming because they have put their resources there into open source projects which others have also benefited from, which is how I'm able to play Rocket League (yet another wildly successful game not available on Steam) on my Linux computer. Bringing other 'classic monopolies' into the conversation makes no difference on the discussion we're having. And those other monopolies were not taken down because they were monopolies, they were taken down due to their anti-competitive practices - something that Valve has actively and successfully tried to avoid.

    And no, I don't think that because you feel that one number is 'quite close' to another number that they should be equal. I think that's just another sign of you being dishonest and moving the goalposts and then assuming that you've made a valid point.

    And finally, respond to this or not, I don't care, but I said, multiple times, all that I need to say on this subject and to you.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    you seem unable to properly understand that a lack of a reply can mean different things, and you just assume that the person not replying to you agrees with you and is just too afraid to say so.

    If you say "the earth is flat", then someone replies with evidence of how the earth is not flat, then in another thread, you say again, "the earth is flat" without ever replying to the evidence, that is dishonest. If contrary evidence won't get you to change your tune, what is the point in talking to you?

    Steam does not have a monopoly on gaming. If you want to narrow that down to PC gaming then you’re changing the subject, You were the one who insisted this conversation be about gaming in general. The person you replied to did not specify the market, and was clear the moment the discrepancy arose what I and everyone else was talking about.

    but even then, they do not have a monopoly on PC gaming because they are not the only sellers.

    You have already been shown that monopoly does not literally mean "the only seller" but instead means "the dominant seller". By this point it's downright weird that you keep insisting this is the meaning without even admitting that the counter-examples in textbook usage exist.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Ah OK, so the classic monopolies in American History (Standard Oil - controlled 90% of its market; American Tobacco - controlled 80% of its market) were not monopolies.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    And Steam controls 80%-90% of the video game market?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    steam has a 75% marketshare of PC games distribution in the US. the 2nd biggest player, epic games, has a market share estimated from 3% to 7,5%. i can’t find data for steam’s market share outside the US, but i’d expect it to be even higher.

    if google can be considered to have a monopoly on web browsers with 73% of the marketshare, even as alternatives (like safari, 13%) exist, i don’t see why steam wouldn’t count as well.

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