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Valve makes almost $50 million per employee, raking in more cash per person than Google, Amazon, or Microsoft — gaming giant's 350 employees on track to generate $17 billion this year (www.tomshardware.com)
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[–] -5 points 11 months ago (8 children)

You are equating "monopoly" with "abusive monopoly."

Google got its monopoly in internet search by being better than the competition. It's still a monopoly, even though it mostly plays by the rules.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    No, Google pays off other browsers to use Google as the default search engine, among many other actual monopolistic practices. Steam does none of that and simply provides a product.

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago

    Paying people to promote your stuff is not an abuse of monopoly position, because Duckduckgo is perfectly capable of doing the same thing.

    Abuse of monopoly position would be leaning on search results to promote Chrome or Android (for example). And they have been caught doing some anti-competitive shit.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    You are equating “monopoly” with “abusive monopoly.”

    No, I'm not. I'm saying they aren't a monopoly by the simple fact that they aren't the only providers of the service they sell. And while they are currently in a position to use their power to make themselves a monopoly, they are not doing that and instead are playing fair with their competition.

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  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I refer you to the other comment subthread where I mentioned textbook examples of monopolies which had 80-odd percent market share, you asked me if Steam had that, I said yes, and then you went quiet.

    Don't bring up points that you were already challenged on and had no reply to - it's lying, because you already know it's wrong.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    The gaming market is much larger than PC gaming.

    And Steam does not have an 80% market share on PC gaming, so who's lying?

    And finally, who the fuck do you think you are that I owe you a response?

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    You're right, the 80% figure I read was from a small poll, it seems 75% is the more accurate figure.

    That's honesty. You don't "owe me a reply" but replying selectively is dishonest. It's pretending you haven't heard any contrary information, when you have.

    Now given the 75 is quite close to 80, I think calling Steam a monopoly in the market of pc video game distribution is quite fair, don't you? The honest thing to do would be to change your mind in the light of what you didn't know before.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I was going to just downvote and move on, but you seem unable to properly understand that a lack of a reply can mean different things, and you just assume that the person not replying to you agrees with you and is just too afraid to say so. Let me be clear... you are moving the goalposts and I see no point in having a discussion with someone who is not just dishonest in the conversation, but insists that it's others who are acting dishonestly.

    Steam does not have a monopoly on gaming. If you want to narrow that down to PC gaming then you're changing the subject, but even then, they do not have a monopoly on PC gaming because they are not the only sellers. They don't even have a monopoly on Linux gaming because they have put their resources there into open source projects which others have also benefited from, which is how I'm able to play Rocket League (yet another wildly successful game not available on Steam) on my Linux computer. Bringing other 'classic monopolies' into the conversation makes no difference on the discussion we're having. And those other monopolies were not taken down because they were monopolies, they were taken down due to their anti-competitive practices - something that Valve has actively and successfully tried to avoid.

    And no, I don't think that because you feel that one number is 'quite close' to another number that they should be equal. I think that's just another sign of you being dishonest and moving the goalposts and then assuming that you've made a valid point.

    And finally, respond to this or not, I don't care, but I said, multiple times, all that I need to say on this subject and to you.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    you seem unable to properly understand that a lack of a reply can mean different things, and you just assume that the person not replying to you agrees with you and is just too afraid to say so.

    If you say "the earth is flat", then someone replies with evidence of how the earth is not flat, then in another thread, you say again, "the earth is flat" without ever replying to the evidence, that is dishonest. If contrary evidence won't get you to change your tune, what is the point in talking to you?

    Steam does not have a monopoly on gaming. If you want to narrow that down to PC gaming then you’re changing the subject, You were the one who insisted this conversation be about gaming in general. The person you replied to did not specify the market, and was clear the moment the discrepancy arose what I and everyone else was talking about.

    but even then, they do not have a monopoly on PC gaming because they are not the only sellers.

    You have already been shown that monopoly does not literally mean "the only seller" but instead means "the dominant seller". By this point it's downright weird that you keep insisting this is the meaning without even admitting that the counter-examples in textbook usage exist.

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