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[+] 227 points 1 year ago (43 children)
  • [–] 69 points 1 year ago (34 children)

    Still, what are they gonna do to a million suicidal people besides ignore them entirely

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    Well, AI therapy is more likely to harm their mental health, up to encouraging suicide (as certain cases have already shown).

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    There's evidence that a lot of suicide hotlines can be just as bad. You hear awful stories all the time of overwhelmed or fed up operators taking it out on the caller. There's some real evil people out there. And not everyone has access to a dedicated therapist who wants to help.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Over the long term I have significant hopes for AI talk therapy, at least for some uses. Two opportunities stand out that might have potential:

    1. In some cases I think people will talk to a soulless robot more freely than to a human professional.

    2. Machine learning systems are good at pattern recognition and this is one component of diagnosis. This meta analysis found that LLM models performed about as accurately as physicians, with the exception of expert-level specialists. In time I think it’s undeniable that there is potential here.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    More so from corporate proprietary ones no? At least I hope that's the only cases. The open source ones suggest really useful ways proprietary do not. Now I dont rely on open source AI but they are definitely better

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    The corporate models are actually much better at it due to having heavy filtering built in. The fact that a model generally encourages self arm is just a lie that you can prove right now by pretending to be suicidal on ChatGPT. You will see it will adamantly push you to seek help.

    The filters and safety nets can be bypassed no matter how hard you make them, and it is the reason why we got some unfortunate news.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Real therapy isn’t always better. At least there you can get drugs. But neither are a guarantee to make life better—and for a lot of them, life isn’t going to get better anyway.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Are you comparing a professional to a text generator?

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Have you ever had ineffective professional therapy?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Are you still trying to compare medical treatment with generating text?

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Compare, as in equal? No. You can’t “game” a person (usually) like you can game an AI.

    Now, answer my question

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    No, comparing as in comparing apples and oranges.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Answer my question, or just admit you refuse to engage in conversation and we can depart

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    There is no conversation to be had here, because you have no point.

    A text generator is not someone you talk to, it's a thing that takes your input and then outputs the text that is most likely relevant to said input.

    No reasoning. No knowledge.

    Taking the example made in one of the other comments here, you could paint a face to a ball and keep yourself mentally stable on a desert island, but the ball isn't doing anything, there's only you on the island.

    Apply that to getting mental help from an LLM and you'll see how creepy it is.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It’s pretty difficult to prove my point when you refuse to have a conversation. What you want is to just get your dopamine by criticizing others instead of allowing them to argue their point.

    So you are right, there is no conversation to be had here because you are not willing to engage in a conversation.

    I wish you the best in your therapy.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Real therapy is definitely better than an AI. That said, AIs will never encourage self harm without significant gaming.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    AI “therapy” can be very effective without the gaming, but the problem is most people want it to tell them what they want to hear. Real therapy is not “fun” because a therapist will challenge you on your bullshit and not let you shape the conversation.

    I find it does a pretty good job with pro and con lists, listing out several options, and taking situations and reframing them. I have found it very useful, but I have learned not to manipulate it or its advice just becomes me convincing myself of a thing.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    My pet theory: Radicalize the disenfranchised to incite domestic terrorism and further OpenAI's political goals.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    What are their political goals?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Strap explosives to their chests and send them to thier competitors?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I don't understand why people dump such personal information into AI chats. None of it is protected. If they use chats for training data then it's not impossible that at some point the AI might tell someone enough to be identifiable or the AI could be manipulated into dumping its training data.

    I've overshared more than I should but I always keep in mind to remember that there's always a risk of chats getting leaked.

    Anything stored online can get leaked.

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