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[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (28 children) Depends on which accent. permalink fedilink source hideshow 28 child comments replies: [–] cRazi_man@europe.pub 44 points 1 year ago (4 children) As far as Americans are concerned, there are only 2 British accents: Villain or wise mentor: Queen's English Henchman or comic relief: Cockney I would really like to see a movie about a team up between detectives with Yorkshire, Brummie and Scouse accents; working cross regionally to bring down a gang of criminals. Hardcoded subtitles for the Americans please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Michael Cain would like to have a word about the Cockney accent typecasting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago He gets a pass cause he can make cockney sound refined permalink fedilink source parent [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago Hey now, I've watched enough Simon Roper to know that's not true. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago In Flushed Away, is Rita's accent Cockney? It's certainly not Coruscanti permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pipster@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 year ago (16 children) Many yanks don't tend to think of brummie or scouse... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] Deceptichum 4 points 1 year ago (15 children) Why go with two English accents and not Irish and Scottish? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] Apocalypteroid@feddit.uk 23 points 1 year ago (3 children) My apologies in advance to the good people of Birmingham but it is well documented that the accent is associated with low intelligence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Deceptichum 2 points 1 year ago Fair point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Palerider@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago As someone living not far from Brum, I concur. Brummies are thick. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago That's only in the UK. Brummie is the 8th most attractive accent in the world (to Americans) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pipster@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago Because Americans tend to have positive views of scottish accents. I picked the two most famous examples of accents generally viewed somewhat negatively. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 6 points 1 year ago (9 children) Because it says British? Ireland isn't British permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Assuming “British” is being used colloquially, as it often is, to describe someone or something from the UK, then there are Irish accents in the UK. The island of Ireland contains Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK. People from Northern Ireland have Irish accents. Try telling Nadine Coyle she doesn’t have an Irish accent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 9 points 1 year ago (3 children) Interesting take. Try telling Nadine Coyle she has a British accent? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) That’s fair. It’s not like the whole thing around Northern Ireland and Britain isn’t without its complications and controversies, to understate it massively. But that applies just as much to saying that people from Northern Ireland aren’t British as much as it does to saying they *are *. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) People from Northern Ireland are legally entitled to choose to be British citizens. That doesn't make their accent British, any more than them cooking boxty makes boxty British. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago I think it’s a little more nuanced than that, but I’m not going to argue. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Best_Jeanist@discuss.online 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Is Ireland one of the British Isles? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Given that the people of Ireland reject that name, it's a very British thing to deadname them. Serious answer - no Prythonic speakers lived in Ireland, so there is no proper basis for the name beyond people quoting a Greek who had never been there. It fell out of use for a millennium and was revised by a Welshman who spoke to angels as a way to erase the separate identities of Scotland, Wales and Ireland. His reasoning was that the King of the Britons, Arthur, had conquered Ireland (if he ever existed, he did not). I am speaking of John Dee who also coined the terms British Empire (it stuck) and British Ocean (it decidedly did not). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 point 1 year ago To expand on Arthur, if he ever was a real person his first historical record was written 300 years after his supposed death and it claims he was a war leader, not a king, fighting the Saxons to ultimately no avail, though the Historia Brittonnum makes sure to assure the reader that's only because the Saxons kept bringing in new troops and not because Arthur lost any battles. permalink fedilink source parent [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Why can't England be part of the Irish Isles? permalink fedilink source parent [–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Anecdotal.. British gal is visiting New York. Loves it and makes plenty of friends. She learns that if she has a job offer she can almost certainly get permission to stay. Goes to an employment agency and gets an interview the same day. Hired to a prestigious firm almost immediately. They tell her they love her classy British accent. In the UK she was lower middle class. edit = silly me. I forgot that 'middle class' means different things. At home, she would be a barmaid at the local. In NYC she was a receptionist in a law firm on Madison Avenue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) lower middle class Do you mean in US terms or UK? That phrase means something very different in the UK. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 9 points 1 year ago I'm an idiot. Yes, I meant USA. To rephrase, to a Brit she was a slum girl who'd gotten a bit of education. To americans she was Lady Diana's cousin. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NKBTN@feddit.uk 11 points 1 year ago It does, but I once met a Mancunian who sounded, in his own words, common as muck and rough as fuck to a fellow brit, but in the states was treated like Shakespeare permalink fedilink source parent [–] potoo22@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Oi! That's a right load of poppycock! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago +20 intelligence permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cRazi_man@europe.pub 44 points 1 year ago (4 children) As far as Americans are concerned, there are only 2 British accents: Villain or wise mentor: Queen's English Henchman or comic relief: Cockney I would really like to see a movie about a team up between detectives with Yorkshire, Brummie and Scouse accents; working cross regionally to bring down a gang of criminals. Hardcoded subtitles for the Americans please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Michael Cain would like to have a word about the Cockney accent typecasting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago He gets a pass cause he can make cockney sound refined permalink fedilink source parent [–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago Hey now, I've watched enough Simon Roper to know that's not true. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago In Flushed Away, is Rita's accent Cockney? It's certainly not Coruscanti permalink fedilink source parent
[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Michael Cain would like to have a word about the Cockney accent typecasting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago He gets a pass cause he can make cockney sound refined permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago He gets a pass cause he can make cockney sound refined permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago Hey now, I've watched enough Simon Roper to know that's not true. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago In Flushed Away, is Rita's accent Cockney? It's certainly not Coruscanti permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pipster@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 year ago (16 children) Many yanks don't tend to think of brummie or scouse... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] Deceptichum 4 points 1 year ago (15 children) Why go with two English accents and not Irish and Scottish? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] Apocalypteroid@feddit.uk 23 points 1 year ago (3 children) My apologies in advance to the good people of Birmingham but it is well documented that the accent is associated with low intelligence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Deceptichum 2 points 1 year ago Fair point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Palerider@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago As someone living not far from Brum, I concur. Brummies are thick. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago That's only in the UK. Brummie is the 8th most attractive accent in the world (to Americans) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pipster@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago Because Americans tend to have positive views of scottish accents. I picked the two most famous examples of accents generally viewed somewhat negatively. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 6 points 1 year ago (9 children) Because it says British? Ireland isn't British permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Assuming “British” is being used colloquially, as it often is, to describe someone or something from the UK, then there are Irish accents in the UK. The island of Ireland contains Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK. People from Northern Ireland have Irish accents. Try telling Nadine Coyle she doesn’t have an Irish accent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 9 points 1 year ago (3 children) Interesting take. Try telling Nadine Coyle she has a British accent? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) That’s fair. It’s not like the whole thing around Northern Ireland and Britain isn’t without its complications and controversies, to understate it massively. But that applies just as much to saying that people from Northern Ireland aren’t British as much as it does to saying they *are *. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) People from Northern Ireland are legally entitled to choose to be British citizens. That doesn't make their accent British, any more than them cooking boxty makes boxty British. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago I think it’s a little more nuanced than that, but I’m not going to argue. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Best_Jeanist@discuss.online 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Is Ireland one of the British Isles? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Given that the people of Ireland reject that name, it's a very British thing to deadname them. Serious answer - no Prythonic speakers lived in Ireland, so there is no proper basis for the name beyond people quoting a Greek who had never been there. It fell out of use for a millennium and was revised by a Welshman who spoke to angels as a way to erase the separate identities of Scotland, Wales and Ireland. His reasoning was that the King of the Britons, Arthur, had conquered Ireland (if he ever existed, he did not). I am speaking of John Dee who also coined the terms British Empire (it stuck) and British Ocean (it decidedly did not). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 point 1 year ago To expand on Arthur, if he ever was a real person his first historical record was written 300 years after his supposed death and it claims he was a war leader, not a king, fighting the Saxons to ultimately no avail, though the Historia Brittonnum makes sure to assure the reader that's only because the Saxons kept bringing in new troops and not because Arthur lost any battles. permalink fedilink source parent [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Why can't England be part of the Irish Isles? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Deceptichum 4 points 1 year ago (15 children) Why go with two English accents and not Irish and Scottish? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] Apocalypteroid@feddit.uk 23 points 1 year ago (3 children) My apologies in advance to the good people of Birmingham but it is well documented that the accent is associated with low intelligence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Deceptichum 2 points 1 year ago Fair point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Palerider@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago As someone living not far from Brum, I concur. Brummies are thick. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago That's only in the UK. Brummie is the 8th most attractive accent in the world (to Americans) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pipster@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago Because Americans tend to have positive views of scottish accents. I picked the two most famous examples of accents generally viewed somewhat negatively. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 6 points 1 year ago (9 children) Because it says British? Ireland isn't British permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Assuming “British” is being used colloquially, as it often is, to describe someone or something from the UK, then there are Irish accents in the UK. The island of Ireland contains Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK. People from Northern Ireland have Irish accents. Try telling Nadine Coyle she doesn’t have an Irish accent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 9 points 1 year ago (3 children) Interesting take. Try telling Nadine Coyle she has a British accent? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) That’s fair. It’s not like the whole thing around Northern Ireland and Britain isn’t without its complications and controversies, to understate it massively. But that applies just as much to saying that people from Northern Ireland aren’t British as much as it does to saying they *are *. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) People from Northern Ireland are legally entitled to choose to be British citizens. That doesn't make their accent British, any more than them cooking boxty makes boxty British. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago I think it’s a little more nuanced than that, but I’m not going to argue. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Best_Jeanist@discuss.online 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Is Ireland one of the British Isles? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Given that the people of Ireland reject that name, it's a very British thing to deadname them. Serious answer - no Prythonic speakers lived in Ireland, so there is no proper basis for the name beyond people quoting a Greek who had never been there. It fell out of use for a millennium and was revised by a Welshman who spoke to angels as a way to erase the separate identities of Scotland, Wales and Ireland. His reasoning was that the King of the Britons, Arthur, had conquered Ireland (if he ever existed, he did not). I am speaking of John Dee who also coined the terms British Empire (it stuck) and British Ocean (it decidedly did not). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 point 1 year ago To expand on Arthur, if he ever was a real person his first historical record was written 300 years after his supposed death and it claims he was a war leader, not a king, fighting the Saxons to ultimately no avail, though the Historia Brittonnum makes sure to assure the reader that's only because the Saxons kept bringing in new troops and not because Arthur lost any battles. permalink fedilink source parent [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Why can't England be part of the Irish Isles? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Apocalypteroid@feddit.uk 23 points 1 year ago (3 children) My apologies in advance to the good people of Birmingham but it is well documented that the accent is associated with low intelligence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Deceptichum 2 points 1 year ago Fair point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Palerider@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago As someone living not far from Brum, I concur. Brummies are thick. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago That's only in the UK. Brummie is the 8th most attractive accent in the world (to Americans) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Palerider@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago As someone living not far from Brum, I concur. Brummies are thick. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago That's only in the UK. Brummie is the 8th most attractive accent in the world (to Americans) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pipster@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago Because Americans tend to have positive views of scottish accents. I picked the two most famous examples of accents generally viewed somewhat negatively. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 6 points 1 year ago (9 children) Because it says British? Ireland isn't British permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Assuming “British” is being used colloquially, as it often is, to describe someone or something from the UK, then there are Irish accents in the UK. The island of Ireland contains Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK. People from Northern Ireland have Irish accents. Try telling Nadine Coyle she doesn’t have an Irish accent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 9 points 1 year ago (3 children) Interesting take. Try telling Nadine Coyle she has a British accent? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) That’s fair. It’s not like the whole thing around Northern Ireland and Britain isn’t without its complications and controversies, to understate it massively. But that applies just as much to saying that people from Northern Ireland aren’t British as much as it does to saying they *are *. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) People from Northern Ireland are legally entitled to choose to be British citizens. That doesn't make their accent British, any more than them cooking boxty makes boxty British. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago I think it’s a little more nuanced than that, but I’m not going to argue. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Best_Jeanist@discuss.online 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Is Ireland one of the British Isles? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Given that the people of Ireland reject that name, it's a very British thing to deadname them. Serious answer - no Prythonic speakers lived in Ireland, so there is no proper basis for the name beyond people quoting a Greek who had never been there. It fell out of use for a millennium and was revised by a Welshman who spoke to angels as a way to erase the separate identities of Scotland, Wales and Ireland. His reasoning was that the King of the Britons, Arthur, had conquered Ireland (if he ever existed, he did not). I am speaking of John Dee who also coined the terms British Empire (it stuck) and British Ocean (it decidedly did not). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 point 1 year ago To expand on Arthur, if he ever was a real person his first historical record was written 300 years after his supposed death and it claims he was a war leader, not a king, fighting the Saxons to ultimately no avail, though the Historia Brittonnum makes sure to assure the reader that's only because the Saxons kept bringing in new troops and not because Arthur lost any battles. permalink fedilink source parent [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Why can't England be part of the Irish Isles? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Assuming “British” is being used colloquially, as it often is, to describe someone or something from the UK, then there are Irish accents in the UK. The island of Ireland contains Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK. People from Northern Ireland have Irish accents. Try telling Nadine Coyle she doesn’t have an Irish accent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 9 points 1 year ago (3 children) Interesting take. Try telling Nadine Coyle she has a British accent? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) That’s fair. It’s not like the whole thing around Northern Ireland and Britain isn’t without its complications and controversies, to understate it massively. But that applies just as much to saying that people from Northern Ireland aren’t British as much as it does to saying they *are *. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) People from Northern Ireland are legally entitled to choose to be British citizens. That doesn't make their accent British, any more than them cooking boxty makes boxty British. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago I think it’s a little more nuanced than that, but I’m not going to argue. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 9 points 1 year ago (3 children) Interesting take. Try telling Nadine Coyle she has a British accent? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) That’s fair. It’s not like the whole thing around Northern Ireland and Britain isn’t without its complications and controversies, to understate it massively. But that applies just as much to saying that people from Northern Ireland aren’t British as much as it does to saying they *are *. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) People from Northern Ireland are legally entitled to choose to be British citizens. That doesn't make their accent British, any more than them cooking boxty makes boxty British. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago I think it’s a little more nuanced than that, but I’m not going to argue. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) That’s fair. It’s not like the whole thing around Northern Ireland and Britain isn’t without its complications and controversies, to understate it massively. But that applies just as much to saying that people from Northern Ireland aren’t British as much as it does to saying they *are *. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) People from Northern Ireland are legally entitled to choose to be British citizens. That doesn't make their accent British, any more than them cooking boxty makes boxty British. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago I think it’s a little more nuanced than that, but I’m not going to argue. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) People from Northern Ireland are legally entitled to choose to be British citizens. That doesn't make their accent British, any more than them cooking boxty makes boxty British. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago I think it’s a little more nuanced than that, but I’m not going to argue. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago I think it’s a little more nuanced than that, but I’m not going to argue. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Best_Jeanist@discuss.online 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Is Ireland one of the British Isles? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Given that the people of Ireland reject that name, it's a very British thing to deadname them. Serious answer - no Prythonic speakers lived in Ireland, so there is no proper basis for the name beyond people quoting a Greek who had never been there. It fell out of use for a millennium and was revised by a Welshman who spoke to angels as a way to erase the separate identities of Scotland, Wales and Ireland. His reasoning was that the King of the Britons, Arthur, had conquered Ireland (if he ever existed, he did not). I am speaking of John Dee who also coined the terms British Empire (it stuck) and British Ocean (it decidedly did not). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 point 1 year ago To expand on Arthur, if he ever was a real person his first historical record was written 300 years after his supposed death and it claims he was a war leader, not a king, fighting the Saxons to ultimately no avail, though the Historia Brittonnum makes sure to assure the reader that's only because the Saxons kept bringing in new troops and not because Arthur lost any battles. permalink fedilink source parent [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Why can't England be part of the Irish Isles? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Given that the people of Ireland reject that name, it's a very British thing to deadname them. Serious answer - no Prythonic speakers lived in Ireland, so there is no proper basis for the name beyond people quoting a Greek who had never been there. It fell out of use for a millennium and was revised by a Welshman who spoke to angels as a way to erase the separate identities of Scotland, Wales and Ireland. His reasoning was that the King of the Britons, Arthur, had conquered Ireland (if he ever existed, he did not). I am speaking of John Dee who also coined the terms British Empire (it stuck) and British Ocean (it decidedly did not). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 point 1 year ago To expand on Arthur, if he ever was a real person his first historical record was written 300 years after his supposed death and it claims he was a war leader, not a king, fighting the Saxons to ultimately no avail, though the Historia Brittonnum makes sure to assure the reader that's only because the Saxons kept bringing in new troops and not because Arthur lost any battles. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 point 1 year ago To expand on Arthur, if he ever was a real person his first historical record was written 300 years after his supposed death and it claims he was a war leader, not a king, fighting the Saxons to ultimately no avail, though the Historia Brittonnum makes sure to assure the reader that's only because the Saxons kept bringing in new troops and not because Arthur lost any battles. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Why can't England be part of the Irish Isles? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Anecdotal.. British gal is visiting New York. Loves it and makes plenty of friends. She learns that if she has a job offer she can almost certainly get permission to stay. Goes to an employment agency and gets an interview the same day. Hired to a prestigious firm almost immediately. They tell her they love her classy British accent. In the UK she was lower middle class. edit = silly me. I forgot that 'middle class' means different things. At home, she would be a barmaid at the local. In NYC she was a receptionist in a law firm on Madison Avenue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) lower middle class Do you mean in US terms or UK? That phrase means something very different in the UK. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 9 points 1 year ago I'm an idiot. Yes, I meant USA. To rephrase, to a Brit she was a slum girl who'd gotten a bit of education. To americans she was Lady Diana's cousin. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) lower middle class Do you mean in US terms or UK? That phrase means something very different in the UK. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 9 points 1 year ago I'm an idiot. Yes, I meant USA. To rephrase, to a Brit she was a slum girl who'd gotten a bit of education. To americans she was Lady Diana's cousin. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 9 points 1 year ago I'm an idiot. Yes, I meant USA. To rephrase, to a Brit she was a slum girl who'd gotten a bit of education. To americans she was Lady Diana's cousin. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NKBTN@feddit.uk 11 points 1 year ago It does, but I once met a Mancunian who sounded, in his own words, common as muck and rough as fuck to a fellow brit, but in the states was treated like Shakespeare permalink fedilink source parent
[–] potoo22@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Oi! That's a right load of poppycock! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago +20 intelligence permalink fedilink source parent