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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Socialism is democracy expanded to the economy. And I hope we can all agree that democracy is better than feudalism / oligarchy. The unchecked power disparities that capitalism creates betray every ideal that democracy stands for

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    Capitalism doesn’t create disparities, people are making those choices

    Wealth naturally accumulates under capitalism. If I own your house, and every month you pay me 1500 dollars, and we both work normal jobs, I will always have more money than you at the end of the month, which I can put towards using that money to make more money; acquiring a greater portion of the wealth created by your labor, say by buying shares in the company you work for or buying more properties so I can raise rent across the board. Now could society as a whole choose to not buy and sell capital? I guess, but then you wouldn't have capitalism.

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    You’re pretending that humans are 100% rational actors and not animals who react to our emotions most of the time. Capitalism incentivizes greed and wealth hording. Of course capitalism is bad and leads to people making bad decisions.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    At least socialism doesn’t inherently reward such behavior like capitalism does. Like, isn’t that a good first step? Stop incentivizing sociopathy?

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    Bro, read some theory. This is borderline stream of consciousness.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Old is fine. I started with the Communist Manifesto like most people. But Conquest of Bread by Peter Kropotkin is "required" reading now.

    If you hate reading old stuff that much https://mander.xyz/post/38822770 join the dbzer0 reading group.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    Concepts are not evil.

    Bigotry is a concept. Evil itself is a concept.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Look at this guy defending bigotry.

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    Great point. A dystopia in science fiction is indeed harmless. Because its a game i cant actually be physically harmed so i fully enjoy giving my consent to playing it

    Wait you where arguing against me. Are you saying we should ban violence and evil in games? I know this maybe common in orthodox religions but i can’t agree, media like cyberpunk are proving positive value by how they critique how concepts can be expressed as evil. Thats majorly important for the growth in society.

    (Either the religious angle or you completely misunderstood my entire point, context is key. The way and when it is expressed is context)

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    I didn’t need to do research because i already knew about these successful societies.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Family

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Autonomous_Administration_of_North_and_East_Syria

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Oaks_Community,_Virginia

    My guess is you where trying to refere to the ridiculous attempts by the soviet union which to my understanding where designed to fail to set an example. (Look it up)

    The core issue is that a nation has a centralized government that is always opposes to disbanding itself. Lenins vanguard party was a fascist takeover of marxist decentralized principles. (look it up)

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I have no contacts within the latest two but there are absolutely people in the rainbow family who live like that all year round with their entire family.

    They are nomadic, have no homeland. There is no leadership, no scarcity (they often have leftovers they don’t know what to do with) its pure anarchistic communism.

    Also dont trust to much from what you see online, these communities are aware bad actors and governments dislike them. You need to be invited for actual whereabouts.

    This may be a possible reason why the syrian group may democratically ellect against media presence. What i found most interesting about them is that its one of the first Islamic communities i heard of that explicitly calls for equal gender rights.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Mmm capitalism is definitely bad.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Capitalism fosters/rewards the bad.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    No? Socialism literally removes incentives to be corrupt. Why would you accept a bribe f.ex if your needs are covered and money is either gone or no longer useful to hoard? That's not to say that any sort of socialist society would be free of all bad actors, but there's less reason and less ways to abuse socialism because that's sort of the point. The goal of socialism is to remove abusable systems via more democratically and collectively controlled ones.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    A concentration of small government power

    You aren't describing what socialism is as you have no idea what it is.

    Processes are inefficient and slow incentivizing bribes(greed will always exist).

    You keep bringing up greed. Capitalism doesn't account for greed, it is built on it. It doesn't stop greed from being abused, instead it rewards greed by allowing the few to hoard property and wealth which leads to those few holding more and more power and influence. Capitalism is literally designed like a pyramid scheme which everyone agrees is bad and doesn't work.

    Socialism is the idea that if you work at a workplace you own it along with everyone else there. It's the idea that if you live in a home you own it with the other people that live there. It's the idea that we all own the roads and parks together. It's the idea that decision making (political power) and property is shared. There are centralized ways to do this, and decentralized ways to do this. The states you think are communist are shitty little oligarchies that pretend they will implement communism in the future yet never do. The problem with these states is that they aren't socialist, not that socialism is bad.

    A lack of incentive to innovate promotes stagnation and complacency(lazy acceptance of an internal takover).

    Most scientific advances are state sponsored.

    Hostile takeover is a thing that happens regularly in capitalism. Also liberals are always the first to compromise and then form governments with fascists. So that's more of a capitalism thing I think.

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  • Socialism is built on the idea that we are better at enforcing our rights together, not on putting anyone else above yourself. I have no idea where this notion comes from. Again, you people have no idea what socialism is.

    Almost every single good thing that has happened in the west has been achieved through unions and socialist or socially democratic parties. It hasn't been achieved by liberals or conservatives.

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  • Having their needs met means it’s not something to care about and so won’t care about it.

    A big part of why the US is struggling so much is people don't have the time and energy to care because they are too busy working.

    Protests and riots also either happen either because A: people have time to do them, or B: people have time to do them because working no longer provides enough money to live off of.

    You are right however that misinformation isn't being countered and that any would be free society would need to work on ways to help people see through such things, and to not allow misinfo to be freely spread the way it is now. It's another core part of the problems we face now, but it's made worse by people literally not having the time to get involved in any way with politics, and with news being motivated purely by profits. Writing good articles isn't profitable anymore, but eye-catching headlines is, regardless of how true they are. If you are concerned about the quality of information today you should also be concerned about news being profit driven.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Capitalism isn't bad. It's what humans do with them that is bad. Don't be a greedy dick and they would all work fine.

    Capitalism demands greed and infinite growth in a finite and resource-limited world. It's inherently contradictory, regardless of your ethics.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Capitalism is definitely real fucking bad.

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