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[+] 64 points 1 year ago (58 children)
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    I hate the "unchecked capitalism is bad" bullshit. It's such a cop out.

    It is inherently bad.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    sigh

    I mean you only just entered the conversation i recon.

    I have spend rather a lot of time today to clarify the philosophical reasoning that in reality “inherent evil” does not exist and borders on religious dogma. Evil is emergent of how people use/act/express and not the tool/systems themselves, which could have undiscovered ethical uses.

    You can look trough my comments history if you want. I mainly learned not to debate philosophy in a popular meme community, even if I believe its important and relevant to anarchism.

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    Bro, read some theory. This is borderline stream of consciousness.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Old is fine. I started with the Communist Manifesto like most people. But Conquest of Bread by Peter Kropotkin is "required" reading now.

    If you hate reading old stuff that much https://mander.xyz/post/38822770 join the dbzer0 reading group.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    Concepts are not evil.

    Bigotry is a concept. Evil itself is a concept.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Look at this guy defending bigotry.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    How can I make my text better so you see that I'm trying to show that concepts themselves are not evil and only how you use those concepts make them evil to some subset of living beings?

    I thought making fun of incest was enough.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

    Bigotry and general evil as attributes of the bad guy in a tabletop rpg where such settings was communicated beforehand and your right to opt out at any point respected by all players and the dm.

    If people do not express a concept in a way that harms people and overrules there consent then there is no harm at all.

    Again in bdsm there even exists roleplay of force/rape. But with safewords to indicate real consent the expression of rape becomes harmless play. (I dont understand this btw but i a wont kinkshame and its an interesting social case)

    One of my biggest gripes with capitalism (besides that i simply dislike the profit win game) is that it no longer appears optional, to provide for myself and my family i have to partake in it. My consent is overruled without option to not play the game and still survive in health.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (11 children)

    I'm sure you consider bigotry and evil just fine in all contexts just like you do the worst of capitalism.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (10 children)

    What the F hell, absolutely not! The current dystopia is literally killing me.

    I am a genderfluid autist, you think i am ok living in this world that has been harmfull to me non stop?

    I just also a philosopher and like to know how reality works and what i discovered is that “evil” is an emergent concept from how humans express themselves in ways that overruled others consent. From being forced to listen to insults by the boss to physical assault.

    You could not have judged me more wrong friend(?).

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    Great point. A dystopia in science fiction is indeed harmless. Because its a game i cant actually be physically harmed so i fully enjoy giving my consent to playing it

    Wait you where arguing against me. Are you saying we should ban violence and evil in games? I know this maybe common in orthodox religions but i can’t agree, media like cyberpunk are proving positive value by how they critique how concepts can be expressed as evil. Thats majorly important for the growth in society.

    (Either the religious angle or you completely misunderstood my entire point, context is key. The way and when it is expressed is context)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I quote the context in which i was speaking.

    The top comment states:

    “Capitalism isn't bad. It's what humans do with them that is bad.“

    My reply was to someone who failed to understand what this meant so i provide additional context.

    If you don't understand that this conversation is literally about the differences between a concept and the context that makes it evil then i have nothing to tell you except you may want to work your reading comprehension.

    Nothing i said says i find all concepts benign, the opposite is true they are all very interesting to think about. What i state they are not is inherently evil like its a cosmic fact written in the stars.

    Also, i have not been attacking anyone merely engaged in friendly philosophy. Unlike you who suggested i am fine with bigotry.

    This is a community for leftist thoughts, infighting makes us weaker.

    If you have nothing more that is friendly to say, please don’t say nothing at all. Have a good day.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    If you don’t understand that this conversation is literally about the differences between a concept and the context that makes it evil

    When the only context in which it's evil is "the world outside of games and fiction," then it's evil.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not op that you replied to, but i find it funny to read your comments. I distinctly remember as a kid that i was playing with lego and i then realised that things like "justice" and "evil" are just in the eye of the beholder.
    The good guy wanted to "protect his people and slay evil" (very hero-ist of the king lol) while the bad guy wanted to "have justice for being exiled and have better living conditions". I realised they were both, essentially, the same thing. Both involved evil acts ( killing and fighting ).

    So reading this chain of comments reminded me of that memory, and how true it is, at its core.
    When we add factors like humans and power things gets vastly more complicated, but the core is the same.
    Just like how current AI at its core, is interesting and super cool, but its been twisted and turned into something terrible because of humans, power and money

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    My autistic secret is i never stopped playing in my head. The ability to build words from fantasy with my drive for scientific realism allows me to experiment and study any idea or concept i encounter. I struggled a lot to understand my existence as a kid and it provided much more then school possible could.

    But shh, dont tell anyone. People tend to find this weird (although i am getting the perception people are much more open to the action of daydreaming these days)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Huh, interesting. Im autistic myself and whenever i try to imagine a situation or place i kinda generate a world or scene in my head and apply what i know, or try to think of what could happen in that situation. In my day job this helps a lot to detect problems or make designs for things.

    But i have never stood still to think that what you linked is what i might have, and is like a mature, overpowered version of what kids have. Thats flipping interresting

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Self interest isn't greed.

    For example, philanthropy is usually done entirely in self interest.

    Read about mutual aid. "Survival of the fittest" isn't the only mode of evolution, even in other animals/organisms in nature.

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  • Right, but greed is just the term for self-interest that is harmful to others. My point was that the "non-harmful" greed that knitwitt was talking about is the same constructive self interest that drives society in both capitalist and socialist systems.

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    How about you define those two terms yourself, and re-read the comment thread.

    You're not having a meaningful discussion by arguing the semantics around "self-interest" and "constructive greed".

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Marxism is explicitly not designed that way. Like it's the entire fucking point.

    And yes, I'm aware of how attempts at Marxism have gone.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    What do the pathologically greedy do in a socialist or communist system? They find a way to gain power except they have almost no competition.

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    I didn’t need to do research because i already knew about these successful societies.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Family

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Autonomous_Administration_of_North_and_East_Syria

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Oaks_Community,_Virginia

    My guess is you where trying to refere to the ridiculous attempts by the soviet union which to my understanding where designed to fail to set an example. (Look it up)

    The core issue is that a nation has a centralized government that is always opposes to disbanding itself. Lenins vanguard party was a fascist takeover of marxist decentralized principles. (look it up)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You didn't list any socialist societies. The first is a group of people who go camping annually together then go back to their real lives(in a capitalist society). Second is an authoritarian society which bans independent media and the third is another group where you vacation in this society until you get tired of it and just leave to your real life so that another can join(they also ban media).

    Unless banning types of media is ok now for socialist societies?

    None of them are an actual socialist nation. I wouldn't be thinking of the Soviets, no. There was nothing socialist about them other than an initial. I wasn't hinking of any in particular because there are not any. I wish there were and I hope for one but there isn't one yet.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I have no contacts within the latest two but there are absolutely people in the rainbow family who live like that all year round with their entire family.

    They are nomadic, have no homeland. There is no leadership, no scarcity (they often have leftovers they don’t know what to do with) its pure anarchistic communism.

    Also dont trust to much from what you see online, these communities are aware bad actors and governments dislike them. You need to be invited for actual whereabouts.

    This may be a possible reason why the syrian group may democratically ellect against media presence. What i found most interesting about them is that its one of the first Islamic communities i heard of that explicitly calls for equal gender rights.

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