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[–] 58 points 1 year ago (17 children)

We almost had Bernie in 2016. What would the world look like if that happened?.

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  • [–] 65 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I'm a firm believer that the person who most changed the modern world, or at least this country, completely by accident, is Elián González. Remember him? That whole thing turned off a ton of Democratic voters in Florida. Right before the 2000 election... You know, the hanging chads one that took forever to settle?

    Imagine Al Gore winning in 2000. Imagine 9/11 and the aftermath (including the Iraq war) happening under his leadership... Or not. Maybe Gore would have taken action ahead of intelligence warning that planes would be used as missiles and prevented the whole thing.

    It does make me wonder if that momentum would have continued into 2008 or if the pendulum would have swung to a Republican, but I would be so damn curious to see what things would have been like if his mother made it to Florida with him.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That made a difference, but I also think It also had to do with the literal paid Brooks brothers riot organized for republicans and the Bush legal team which had 3 members who are now supreme court justices. Who cares if the people voted for gore, our supreme court says their vote is more important.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    And Florida's Secretary of State doing everything she could to stop counts and hand the election to Bush. And the Supreme Court that collaborated with her to do so.

    2000 was actually, incontrovertibly stolen.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Al Gore DID WIN! It was proven after the fact, when the Supreme Court gave it to Bush. First time Republicans cheated and won

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    You can shove that CNN article up your ass. I was there after the fact. Was 20 years old first presidential election. Gore won it was proven in court. CNN are fucking nazi supporters.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago

    You can shove that CNN article up your ass

    Coming in strong there

    I was there after the fact.

    There as in boots on the ground on the campaign/legal team/whatever or there as in old enough to pay attention to the news?

    Was 20 years old first presidential election.

    Ah, I'll assume the latter to my question above. How is that any better than someone who says they were 30 and believe the opposite? I'm just not sure why your age should matter here

    Gore won it was proven in court

    Which court? Was that ruling overturned on appeal?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    I would go out on a limb and say that due to continuity of Government, Gore’s administration would have likely been able to successfully prevent 9/11 from happening.

    Though I think he would still likely end up a one-term President for whatever reason (akin to Bush Sr.) and we’d likely have gotten John McCain as president for a term before the GFC.

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  • I made a similar claim recently. I guess we could go back as the beginning of time, imperialism, the framing of the constitution, manifest destiny, reconstruction, Nixon, Regan, etc. But Gore just felt so recent. So close. Like such an inflection point. Think of what the Supreme Court could look like. It really is just these small changes that turn the tides of history. I know tensions were high, but I think of Franz Ferdinand and how maybe things would've played out just the same if he was not assassinated, but there's this huge unexplored possibility space where things were different. Makes me sad to think people make these decisions and will never see or understand the true consequences of them. I wonder if they saw the destruction of WW1, the holocaust, WW2, the nuclear bombs, the destruction in Gaza and war in Ukraine, if they would maybe make some different choices. I know the 2000 Supreme Court wouldn't, but it's nice to think maybe someone would.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Tbh, not much fudamental changes. Bernie would not have 50 progressive senators and 218 progressive representatives. Best he could do was a bunch of executive orders that will definitely get struck down by the courts, they would never let him nominate anyone that's not democratic party-approved.

    I mean unless he uses the momentum to win 50 progressive senators and 218 progressive representatives in the midterms, which is unlikely given historical trends during midterms.

    But hey, at least we'd have a functional court without the 3 maga appointees (well... sort of)

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