This is actually from 2022, but I missed it back in the day. This is quite important research imo, and very relevant lately. Link to the paper itself: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0747563222001637

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[–] 2 points 1 year ago (31 children)

They are causing harm, but not by being sexual. By posing unrealistic standards

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    I propose it's not the fiction that's posing unrealistic standards, but the people who can't tell the difference between fiction and nonfiction. Fiction, is by definition, unrealistic.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    The issue is the many people who complain when a game or other media have women that look like actual women. Calling them men because they don't look like the perfectly sexualized women in media that they're used to.

    Yes they can't tell the difference, but they're still doing real harm.

    Banning sexualization is not the solution, but the prevalence of it in media to the point it is expected and people get angry when it's gone is a problem as well.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I really think it's a type of media illiteracy, and it's much larger than just sexualization.

    Like, I grew up in the church, and remember when they adopted the Left Behind novels into church canon as prophecy. It's the same kind of not being able to tell fact from fiction, and my parent's church encouraged it because they were a bunch of con artists.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You said sexualised movies, I thought you meant movies in which human actors are jacked, sometimes to an unhealthy extent. That’s also the problem with a lot of actresses and also influencers, who are after plastic surgeries, in the perfect light, with a lot of makeup on, posing unrealistic standards for impressionable kids

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Somebody else said that, not me. But regardless, it's still a problem with people not being able to recognize fact from fiction. Makeup is not the problem, the problem are people who expect you to to look like that without makeup. Boob jobs are not the problem, the problem are people who think there's something wrong with you if you've not had one.

    If they replaced everything with mocap tomorrow so actors didn't have to look the part any more, the problem would still be that people look at Marvel and think it's an accurate depiction of reality.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Fiction can easily be realistic- You're thinking of fantasy which is unrealistic. Fiction means it's not a true story, not that it can't be realistic

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    "can be" ⇏ "has to be"

    And it's not fiction that sets high standards, but the people watching it, that are doing so.

    Now you may say that the people are setting those standards only because they are watching said stuff.
    But that is just rephrasing, "the people watching fiction are incapable of having their own imagination".

    Back in school, I had a classmate that had a much greater height than others, due to steroid usage.
    Now if you say that his parents did that because they watched "JoJo's Bizarre Adventure", I'll say it was not released yet and I have no reason to believe that they bought comic strips from another country and went ahead and made a 'gag' piece a basis for their standards.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Nah, fiction needs unrealistic elements. You can have realism in fiction, but fiction is defined by its deviance from fact. If a movie were completely realistic, itd be a documentary.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This can't be your honest take...

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well, it's inaccurate. Fiction does not require unrealistic elements. There's just scads of fiction out there—across multiple genres—that's set in a real time and place, and doesn't involve anything fantastical.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It is possible to have a realistic story in fiction. For example, Mad Men is a tv series that's pretty grounded in history but the characters and everything that happens to them are the product of the writers and their research. It's not a documentary, it's fiction, but quite realistic.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    I envision 'realistic' as a spectrum. If it is 100% realistic, it's a documentary, if it's 100% unrealistic, it's probably a fantasy movie or something, and most works of fiction fall somewhere between.

    characters and everything that happens to them are the product of the writers and their research

    Like, you understand this is my point, right? The plot is not real, and that's what makes it fictional?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    What you're saying is sound and I agree the plot not being real is fiction; the only problem is you said fiction required unrealistic elements and most people see "unrealistic" as basically fantasy

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    See, I hear 'fantasy' and think of orks and fairies and shit, but I can think of many non-fantasy movies that have incredibly unrealistic aspects.

    Like, idk, James Bond's gizmos are completely unrealistic and break the laws of physics, but it's not fantasy to me.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'd argue James bond as a franchise is basically a hypermasculine fantasy and the gadgets are pretty much a tech fantasy within it. Breaking laws of physics is completely unrealistic, but the point I was making was that you don't need to do any of these things- you could write a story about how you went to the gym and broke a treadmill (even though you didn't) and it would be fiction. The bar to fiction is not that high.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    If you swap the words "fiction" and "fantasy" in your post, it makes the same amount of sense.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Have you ever read historical fiction? Stories like jane eyre are not real but they're sensible. A story can be fiction and realistic. You can write a short story based on stuff you've researched and seen and it's still fiction.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I'm not sure why this is being downvoted because setting unrealistic body standards is absolutely terrible for society

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    Who said that was a requirement? It's still a fact that it causes harm

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    Me arguing something can be harmful for society doesn't mean I'm arguing it has to be abolished in its entirety. I'm not sure why you think everything has to be black and white since obviously there's room for artistic use- remember you are the only one who thought that, or perhaps it just wasn't obvious for you. And can you explain how unrealistic body standards is not bad for society? It isn't far fetched seeing young people compare to beauty standards they are bombarded with. It doesn't only happen in video games but in tons of visual media.

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)
  • You are reading waay to much into that title, man. Their claim is it doesn't make people more misogynistic. There are still tons of reasons to care about how media conducts itself.

    Or do you imagine it's just a neutral thing that the whites-only crowd would make it impossible to be a black actor again?

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