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[–] 8 points 1 year ago

AI death panels?! Thanks, Obama.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Why would you even need an ai? Just send a deny by default from a template, and only start looking at updated claims or something.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Because they are using AI for everything to justify the state investment in AI, also laziness.

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    [–] 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I heard from a friend who does medicare data analytics at health insurance companies that when they tried to model which patients to deny it explicitly suggested never approving certain interventions for black people

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

    How is it legal for them to give our health information to AI?????????? Without explicit consent?? And why are they able to access and look through it like this, when normally records are protected from this?

    I can think of several reason by the way this should be illegal:

    • AI is experimental, and this is further an experimental use of AI. Test subjects, especially medical test subjects, must be able to know if they are being experimented on and must be able to consent
    • AI adapts and "learns" from input and can be prompted to spit that data out - it is not secure for protected and private information
    • Want to double emphasize it is not a secure system for private information laws
    • AI also is an outside company and is not the government, we did not give them permission tonaccess our health data and the government themselves has no warrant or emergency need to access our healthcare data either - this isn't a legal way to access health records
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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    taking the first question at face value: they could use an agentic system to keep the data within their own ecosystem and run the models locally

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The short answer is there's a good chunk of Americans on some form of Medicaid (regardless of what name it wears) and in exchange for healthcare provided by the government, they give access of their medical PII to the government because the government is their healthcare insurance provider.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    But that doesn't mean any rando in the government can access anyone's health data on a whim, legally. You have to have a reason to access it. Even just accessing date of birth is protected.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Listen. I don't disagree with you. But 2 things. 1. The government used to have people in it that would uphold such restrictions on access. Lots of those people have been culled by the current administration. 2. The government didn't need a reason to input your data into a computer program for access when they switched over from paper files. They didn't need a reason when they switched to a more "universal" health data management system as the technology evolved. And they will say that this is just another evolution of that technology. So in essence they already have their "reason" and they already have people in place who will let them get away with it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    The judicial branch is still working in many states, so this argument is valid. People are getting sent to concentration camps for this, so it's important to discuss, so they can eventually be released.

    Those computer programs have several laws about private info and protections. All digital information is subject to these laws. And the AI violates those laws.

    Seriously, go look up privacy laws and how it relates to medical software. Pretend you are a doctor wanting to download software for your practice and go look at all the websites with legal advice on how to do it. It is a big deal.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    The federal government leaked my PII including my social security number in 2015.

    I'm aware (my mother works in healthcare, specifically with patient PII), of both the laws and regulations involved. But what I'm saying is, this is not going to stop them from excusing their behavior and there's not enough states to oppose them in the long run.

    This is what happens when we allow idiots who don't have any critical thinking skills to elect an idiot intent on tearing the system apart to the highest office in the land. Twice.

    There's laws against this administration firing or laying off GI's. There's laws that should have prevented the firing of whole government agencies. There's laws in place that are supposed to be protecting our information from DOGE. Those laws have been sparingly enforced, and are constantly under threat because the orange idiot had more than one term to stack court appointed judges and legislators.

    Even when this administration isn't doing that they're doing so many illegal acts at one time that our justice system couldn't keep up even without people working against it from the inside. They're speed running fascism over here.

    Thiel and the rest of the crony bunch are going to continue to develop Palantir to "adhere to the laws and regulations in place" while taking advantage of the fact that AI isn't really being regulated at all and most of the people holding public office don't have a good understanding of what it is, let alone what dangers it presents even without PII involved.

    If you think they care about privacy laws, I think I could probably find a bridge to sell you.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    If I am a doctor, I’ll put prompt injection attacks on patients’ insurance claims to help them get the care they need.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Although I think the quote should be:

    Yousa thinking USA people gonna die?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    This is why they're hell bent for leather on making Ell Em an example.

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  • Just what you want, a computer in charge of peoples health, blind Freddy can see where all this ends up

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    CALLED IT THE DAY CHATGPT CAME OUT TO THE PUBLIC.

    im getting sick and tired of being right all the time.

    one more thing to watch for, they are going to use AI to create custom viruses that are going to go after specific genes in the population and erradicate them like the enclave wanted to do with project purity in fallout 3 for people with mutations. using information from databases pulled from companies like 23 and me.

    autistics, ADHD, LGBTQ+, specific races, and other "less preferable" genetic markers will be targeted. with those in power sharing those markers being vaccinated well in advance.

    tinfoil hat coming off now.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I hear ya. It’s like working with a room full of people who keep runnng headfirst into the wall.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I can already see an eugenics "Mecha Hitler" AI, going out of it's way to cool undesirables.

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    [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We won't just have death panels. We'll have automated death panels!

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    Delay Deny Depose

    Beep Boop

    “This woman needs open heart surgery, stat!”

    “I’m sorry, Dr. Dave. I’m afraid you can’t do that.”

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    You don't need AI for that, they just use it as a scapegoat. At this point they may use a dummy named Steve. "I am sorry, Steve denied you medicare".

    It is a simple algorithm that does not require "AI".

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    They will use Grok so the government will be even more systematically racist.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Theoretically AI could reduce delays in approvals because a machine can approve someone for cover faster than a human. But what happens with the denied people? The article does not seem to mention whether refusals still have an appeal option which would then guarantee human intervention (one presumes).

    In principle, more humans should be freed up to work on appeals if AI is used for the initial decision. But knowing the Trump regime, those freed up people will have a job security problem.

    In Europe, the GDPR would theoretically¹ protect people from this. Automated decision making is generally banned but has exceptions. But even when automated decision making is legal, there is a legal obligation to have the possibility of human intervention.

    Some US states have their own dilluted GDPR variant, but I think none of them give a shit about automated decision making.

    ¹ I say “theoretically” because GDPR enforcement is a disaster.

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    [–] 30 points 1 year ago

    MediCARE, people. The kind your grandma (or you) is using.

    Say bye bye to your grandma, cause she’s gonna have a republican robot refuse the drugs she needs to live.

    Did you vote for it? Hahahahahahahahhahaahahhahahahahahaha

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    This is essentially hiding the automatic denial of everything inside a black box, right? Everyone sees that? I think I'd rather they just randomly cancel 20% of the covered people. Why reduce the financial coverage in a way that will produce worse medical outcomes due to delayed treatment?

    These are the same folks who want to claim some moral high ground in all their politics. They are grotesque.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Trump and the GQP's first step in gutting Medicare.

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Would be a hell of a lot cheaper if they just automatically denied everyone. Because, let's be honest, that is what the end result of this is going to be anyway.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    They didn't learn much from the Universal Health / Luigi situation then

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    “The computer says no…” [cough]

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    [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Why bother? It would be easier for them to just bool getApproval { return false; }. There, I'll take my multimillion dollar contract now please (and donate it all to fix this disaster).

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 1 year ago*

    The government plans to partner with private companies to automate prior authorizations denials.

    Trump and the GQP's first step in gutting Medicare.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Remember that? 2009, “Obamacare has death panels!” Now look at us. Trump is the two time, citizenship is no longer safe, the law doesn’t matter. MAGA is being loyalty tested with Epstein. We got pickleball & robotheism. Alex Jones basically covers for the CIA & FBI now. Putin still in power.

    Such a great time! Oh, and genocide daily!

    #voidposting

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