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[–] 52 points 4 months ago (11 children)

I'd like to see the data for that 49% of adults. It feels high and I wouldn't put it past some companies to report mandatory AI bots as increased use by customers. I know Amazon requires it to do returns now, and I've had more than one site bring up the chat bot if you wanted access to content.

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  • [–] 34 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    it's here

    it's "% of U.S. adults who say they ever use AI chatbots like ChatGPT, Gemini or Copilot". They didn't ask about regular use, it's the total number of people who have ever used a chatbot in any capacity. So with that framing 49% doesn't surprise me. Of course the percentage of people who have ever used a chatbot is going to go up over time.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago*

    Of course the percentage of people who have ever used a chatbot is going to go up over time.

    Yes, and crucially, it never goes down.

    It's like asking: "do you use a motor vehicle?" And then counting everyone who has ever been in a car, a truck, a bus, or potentially even a train as a yes. It plainly conflates active users with exploratory or incidental users.

    The only reason to do such things is to inflate numbers because being honest about them makes it look bad.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago*

    Yup. I used Gemini like a year before it took off back when Google first sent out testing invites, because I wanted to see what it could do. That's very different from active use, but this survey would count me as a regular user.

    Although since Google shows me an AI summary whenever I search now, maybe I count as an active one anyways... along with everyone else who uses Google.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Unfortunately A LOT of less tech-savvy people absolutely love AI chatbots. All of my girlfriend's family regularly ask ChatGPT random shit multiple times a day. Many of my friends have taken to using ChatGPT for every single online enquiry. It's a worrying world.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    It sort of makes sense, though. Google Search has been a hot pile of garbage for years. Researching something simple used to be quick and easy, but now you have to sift through endless SEO trash websites to find half an answer (or use a better search engine).

    People go for the path of least resistance.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Number seems low to me....

    People are using AI all the time without knowing it. Almost everyone is using the AI summary feature on every google search (i'm sure those summaries arent generated every time, so does it count as AI use if it's a re-used result?). There's probably a bunch of AI bullshit enabled on your phone you dont know about.

    My guess would be closer to 90%... only a small minority of people are truly tech savvy enough to know what's going on under the hood, and truly dedicated 100% anti-AI to avoid using those sites/features.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    i'm sure those summaries arent generated every time

    Why? I'm not sure what you mean. If you re-run your search with the same terms, you get a different response.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I rarely use google, and i never tried redoing a search to see if the summary changes... i just assumed the summary was cached and re-used if you or someone else makes a similar search...

    thats wild if they're burning up gpu time on EVERY query

    We are fucked

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  • [–] 45 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I'm a dev at work with 1 dev Jr dev under me.

    We are in desperate need of another jr dev. But my work rather spend tokens.

    So I setup agentic workflows which works 90% of the time. The 10% requires a me, a senior developer to babysit the workflow. My hourly cost are significantly higher.

    After calculating the token usage and my hourly rate there are still some savings using the agentic workflows. But not much.

    But we end up sacrificing is a pool of junior developers that I can train to be a senior. If I ever leave the company the entire company is screwed.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago*

    If I ever leave the company the entire company is screwed.

    Yes. This has happened before, and it will happen again.

    The time is coming soon for another bidding war on talent, and for all losers in the bidding war to pick up a lifetime subscription to "our software works for another month" from overpriced consulting agencies.

    It is incredibly preventable, but you can't fix average CEO levels of stupid.

    Edit: The funny part is that this next time the bidding losers will also have an AI token passthrough surcharge that is "pinky promise, only the token costs of your contract and definitely not subsidizing Todd's recreational use".

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    You sacrifice far more than that, it's just not all immediately apparent

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Agreed. The entire industry engineer/developer industry is fucked.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Hearing all this stuff makes me soooo glad I switched from CS to mechanical halfway through college. I'm safe for a little longer...

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    I'm sure that the majority of smokers do not believe that tobacco production or consumption is a benefit to society.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    49%

    This is going to be worse than leaded gas

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    At least this can be reversed, probably. Brain damage from lead is permanent.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Can be, but probably won't be.:(

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    I still have my suspicions about how that 49% is being measured, because if it counts any 'use' then technically using most search engines is using an LLM regardless of wether you want to or not, a lot of people are now also forced by their employers regardless of wether they want to or not.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    If anything... 49% sounds low, considering how many of these shit-tier chat bots are becoming required. Nobody is choosing to use them, given the choice, and the companies that force it are all losing market share because of it.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Of course chatbot use is rising when every shitty website replaced their support pages with one. What else can I do but use the stupid chatbot?

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    100% of Americans (rounded to the nearest 1%) participate in capitalism. How many of those actually support the system?

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    I use ai chatbots like I used to use Google.

    Google sucks now so AI chatbots tend to give direct answers at the moment. I know it’s a limited time before enshitification kicks in.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Have you googled anything lately? Sometimes you have to just AI because Google is retarded.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    It’s so bad it drove me to finally pay for Kagi, which I must say is incredibly better than ddg or ecosia

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Kagi is highly intriguing but their prices put me off every time. $15CAD per month for a search engine is a hard pill to swallow. That's a higher cost than basically any other digital subscription that I pay or have paid at any point.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Googling is now AI, thanks to Google.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I don't pay for any, but I use AI. That doesn't mean that I don't think it is destructive to society. I would rather it fail and go away, but that doesn't seem likely.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    If you would know the iq of those 16%, it would scare you. :)

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  • [+] -7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I use chatbots to make up strange stories about my former boss, who is incompetent, and share them with my former colleague. That's pretty much the only thing I've ever used an LLM for, yet I'm counted in this statistic

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  • [+] -4 points 4 months ago (1 child)