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[–] 181 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (11 children)

Men have unique insecurities that are a result of socital expectations. We gaslight ourselves into conforming to a certain expected behavior. Many, if not most cishet men are afraid to explore their sexuality beyond that which is considered the heteronormative standard. Men are victims of the patriarchy as is everyone else.

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  • [–] 73 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Yep. I find the major thing holding me back from most kinks is exactly that; insecurity.

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  • [–] 43 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    For what it's worth, you're not alone.

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  • [–] 49 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Wow, this community is a whole lot more supportive than I expected

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago*

    And the corrollary to that, that even less people want to talk about, is that straight, traditional cis men and women will then mock and shame men who actually do try think outside the box.

    So, many men are victims of patriarchy, and many women are perpetrators of patriarchy.

    Then you get to the incredibly confusing 'now', where many women will claim to be a feminist, yet will also mock and shame men who do not conform to stereotypical cishet male lifestyle/relationship norms.

    Actual feminism vs Pop feminism.

    Actual feminism seeks to identify and challenge and critique societal gender roles and norms. All societal gender roles and norms.

    Pop feminism is basically psuedo (meaning 'impostor' or 'fake') feminism, that pretty much just boils down to misandry, using a set of buzzwords and terms basically bastardized from actual feminism.

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    [–] 47 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (32 children)

    Matching freaks is hard.

    Kink is a spectrum, and I haven't been exploring it for a few years, but from what I remember, the various communities of kink are always mismatched.

    There are always more straight-sub-men than there are straight-dom-women. This compounds when you realize that usually those sub men are looking for certain types of play that the doms aren't into. Dommy mommies and such.

    Like, I think of the feminization community. It's hard to find people who like feminization, but DON'T also like cuck play, or race-cuck play, which to me is gross but is a major aspect of that community for many.

    Non-binary and Lesbians seemed to do okay though. At least in my city.

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  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    As a straight dom male, I can tell you that the inverse is also true. Straight sub women routinely want me to do stuff that isn't BDSM and is actual abuse. I blame the 50 shades of grey series at least in part for that.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Straight sub women routinely want me to do stuff that isn’t BDSM and is actual abuse.

    Give some examples?

    I have very few restrictions when it comes to someone getting physical with me as long as it's not permanent. I have found plenty of doms lacking because they express discomfort in rougher kinks. Light bruising is not abuse for example although you should probably take your time and get to know me well enough so that you trust I'm not crazy and that I won't tell people you're battering me.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago* (7 children)

    One lady wanted me to choke her till she passed out. Another lady wanted a bag over her head. Another asked me to "punch me and leave bruises while I cum." I could go on, but honestly it's kinda disturbing.

    Then there are the people that confuse CNC with straight up rape. Rape fantasy is one thing. Asking me to organize a CNC "home breakin" with people that you specifically don't know and have never met isn't something I would have any idea how to do safely.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago*

    Oh dear god do not do the donkey punch, no no no no, noooooo.

    I've never been asked to, but I knew guys who were, and like... doing the equivalent of that in a competetive martial art would get you heavily penalized, potentially forfeit the match or functionally end your career.

    Very not safe.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    The first few are fine?

    The last one is where I would draw the line, even if it involved vetting people off of fetlife.

    There's a difference between hard doms and soft doms. It sounds more like you're the second and I don't think that's a bad thing. Some of us genuinely enjoy being hit and choked and I don't think there's anything wrong with it. It means we trust you enough to even ask at all. If it's not something you enjoy or feel comfortable doing that is also fine.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Choking someone until they pass out is absolutely not fine. That's extremely dangerous and will cause permanent harm. You shouldn't should never be anywhere NEAR the point of losing consciousness.

    I know choking can feel good, but there's no safe way to do it aside from just putting your hand there and applying zero pressure. You're literally depriving your brain of oxygen.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I knew a guy in high school that choked himself out for fun, like he would devise techniques to make sure when he passed out the choking force would be removed, and he was trying to convince me to try it... No thanks, I'll just stick to drugs.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    This gave me a bit of a giggle because I used to know a real one who would show off their work. Not as a trophy or anything, more like, "This is how bruised I'm willing to make someone." A display of competence, but also a limit. He had anonymized photos from different sessions, and it gave great insight into what impact play actually looks like.

    All pictures were taken and shown from the neck down, with consent.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah, as a lesbian sub I've noticed one big problem facing straight male subs is a lot of dominant women interested in men get burnt out of the community by bad experiences pretty quickly.

    I think it's partly that yeah ime a lot of dominant straight women are looking for someone masculine, competent, and submissive, while the men tend to be looking more for degradation and caretaking, and neither group seems to be great at finding compromise, and the men often don't notice what the women are looking for.

    But also, bad subs abound. And it's not just men. I used to switch, but bad experience not related drove me away from it, and around the time I was considering dominance again a submissive woman violated my boundaries to the point IDK if I'll ever be comfortable domming again. I've watched other women have similar experiences with one friend have a string of male subs make her decide to look for submissive men in the non kink scene.

    And yeah, what I've seen of the feminization types is a real mix of yikes and eggs. Even if I were into men, domming, and feminization I'd be hesitant to get into that can of worms.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    What's a bad sub or dom if I may ask

    Be spesific

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago

    Being specific is hard because it's just a category of being a bad partner, and as such there's plenty of ways to do it lol.

    I'll start by giving a quick overview on how to be a good kink partner: respect boundaries and know your own, communicate and listen, build skills appropriate for your role and interests (you can learn more by talking to people into that interest in the community, especially in the other role, and learning both sides even if you only want to do one is encouraged), know what you want and don't want, but be open to what you're not sure about, and in general just try to see everyone in the community as full people, not just as [role]. And for that last one, I really can't emphasize enough how much better you come off if you have friends across roles and genders, but also the people you're compatible with are just people, don't put them into their role until you've discussed it and agreed to it.

    A lot of the worst experiences involve people who have personality disorders that aren't sufficiently dealt with for relationships to be a good idea. All of the really bad subs I was thinking of in my comment had borderline personality disorder and had not undergone dbt. They were all also kinda looking for a partner to fix them. But also the domme that got pushed away had bpd, but had underwent years of treatment and had developed healthy habits and understanding of her limits.

    So for some specific bad behaviors. Boundary pushing is big. If someone says no or gives an excuse, that means no unless clearly negotiated with a safeword to replace the no. Attempting to negotiate someone's boundaries or to guilt them into something they're not interested in is very bad. Overdependance on someone is bad, especially when they don't agree to it. Your dominant (or submissive) isn't your therapist they're somewhere between romantic partner and fuckbuddy, and you should know where you stand (if you don't know, talk about it with them).

    Now for just general bad form things, they're more akin to being a bad lay. Dominants being overconfident and doing things they aren't skilled enough to do without giving a heads up (plenty of experienced subs will agree to be a practice dummy to someone they trust, but it's often not cool to try something the first time without saying so). Subs that come in with a checklist of things they expect from a scene rather than presenting a menu of options and limits and letting the dom construct a scene out of it. Related are the subs who can't let go of control in a scene after asserting that that's what they want (if you say it's what you want but you're unsure you're able that's a different story). The inverse also sucks, subs who don't know what they're interested in or what their limits are (and "no limits" is neither true nor appreciated). Subs who neither have skills nor interest in building them. People who jump right into roles without talking about it.

    In general new people are given a lot of grace and so long as it's not overt consent violations the worst a new person will need to do is apologize when corrected and try to do better.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    There's also a spectrum for sub guys. From what I'd like to call 'compliant' to 'doormat.'

    Some want a guy who's confident, strong, typical male traits, but lets her decide things and pick stuff. Other side of that is the ones who want to be property.

    Idk. Lining shit up in the kink spaces is so damned hard that it's harder than finding even regular relationships.

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    Oof yeah from what I've seen pros typically get really jaded, and that tends to either screw with their desire to dom or get them weird about it. Which like makes perfect sense from everything I've seen and heard.

    And yesh finding a compatible partner can be very difficult. I lucked out and on my first date with my wife told her that part of what I wanted from life was lifestyle power exchange and she'd never even realized that was what she wanted.

    But yeah in addition to compatibility issues, I've noticed over the years that a lot of subs are just awful at selling themselves to dommes.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    I agree with most of the comments and sentiments in this thread. Being a male switch I've seen all sides of things and the bad actors abound regardless of declared genders.

    The big line between pleasure subs and service doms is a large one. Getting bound up and teased and used is a far cry from being someone's table or maid.

    Media definitely sets a lot of bad expectations but occasionally one strikes gold and the magic makes you not give up.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    I am a guy who is a genuine switch.

    I've only ever met a single genuine female switch, and she was literally a diagnosed nymphomaniac.

    I've met other guy switches, uncommon but not too uncommon... never ever met another female switch.

    Swear to flying spaghetti monster its a curse, its the type O- of sexual styles.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Thank you for posting this. I am 99.9% sure I am a switch (M) but I've been dominated for exactly 5 minutes of my life bc every other partner I've had (F so far) was 99% sub.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Yeah, by far most women I've met are some flavor of sub: brat, princess, service, etc.

    Sometimes they're confused and say they're something else, spend at least a few weeks to months with them... nope, they're subs, taking the lead is not something they ever do on their own initiative.

    Then, a fair number of woman are genuine doms of some kind, and know it. Occasionally, a few of them will think they are a switch... but again, go for weeks to months, no, they genuienly hate it when they're not in control.

    But a woman switch? Who not only can, but has to switch the power dynamics, who can't help themselves from doing that, who needs a shifting balance of both?

    Yeah, at least in my experience, about as common as a shiny pokemon.

    EDIT:

    Ok, upon reflection, I have met a second, I think, genuine female switch.

    Long story short, masseuse. Masseuse who tried multiple times to give me a 'happy ending' that I did not ask for, and that I refused multiple times.

    She did seem to genuienly enjoy playing with power dynamics, lets just put it that way. Basically, it got to the point where I actually had to use some measured physical force to stop her from trying to give me a handy... she was very insistent, pouty when I stopped her... but also seemed aroused by being slightly manhandled / me flipping the power dyanamic.

    We did not ever actually get to the point of what I would call 'having sex', but damn if that wasn't the kind of mindset and temperment of an actual Switch.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I would agree that kink is a spectrum, or axis. Specifically, it's the Z-axis to the masculine/feminine attraction ("gay-straight" but generalized) X-axis and sexual intensity (aka, horniness level) Y-axis. That's right, we're going 3D.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    It's a 27-axis graph, with each axis being a spectrum. It's 27 dimensions of sexy times.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Biblically accurate sexuality graph :3

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  • [–] 36 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    Hey I just wanna eat pussy in a maid crossdress.

    Maybe get pegged and called cute.

    Not much to it.

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  • [–] 29 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Wait what this wasn't supposed to work I didn't think this far 😵‍💫

    Hi how are ya 👉👈

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    H... Hwaaa!? I'm not... f-flustered.. naughty little boy... I'm a good girl... I'm not little!... I'm... cute! Y-yea! Y-

    Y-yes, mistresses.

    My face when the RP keeps going. Losing my sides the level of technology at play for two randoms on the net to publically sub/dom roleplay. Dwayna grant me vigor

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    And that, kids, is how I met your mother

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago

    This is so much more common among normal straight men than women realize. That said this is a pretty rare kink for straight women.

    The patriarchy ruins errything for us cute booty men with muscles.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    That's fucking disgusting.

    ...only degenerates want to be called "cute".

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    [–] 36 points 4 months ago

    no joke i used to be one of those dudes that thought i could keep going and never get tired until i met a woman one day that wore my ass out i think i was asleep for like 14 hours lmao shit was fucking wild

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  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    I dated a girl once who said she was into kinky shit and i thought pfft yeah yeah - she wanted to cut my dick while it was hard and suck the blood mixed with precum 😐

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    So, finish the story. Did you let her?

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Only once, and i really didnt like it. Turns out im not into having my dick lightly sliced with a razor blade

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago* (5 children)

    lightly

    OH, that's far better than I expected.
    I've seen a gore video where a man rubber-banded his dick and had someone else fully cut it off.
    Also one who did it himself with hot blade.
    But somehow it still made me less uncomfortable than the dude who stuck a couple of needles through his balls.

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  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    When you are German and they read you the ORIGINAL Grim tales at bedtime, you know what's up sooner than you'd wish.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I'm pretty sure the grimm tales are the sanitized stories. They're written versions of oral tradition.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    I heard that as well. Some say that the "fancy city folks" as which the Grimm brothers were perceived got an already watered down version of the real thing.

    Compared to American adaptations such as Cinderella, the written Grimm version is the wild one, though.

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  • [–] 101 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    My guess: A lot of "Perverted" men think they are perverted because all the girls they've talked to so far have gone "eeeew" when they mention anything like a blowjob.

    They have then concluded that they must be perverted for wanting to try such depravities.

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  • [+] [S] 55 points 4 months ago (14 children)
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    That's kinda the same no? For the most part, the taboo is not one that the individual has created, it's a societal thing. The same society that creates women that are grossed out by the mention of a blowjob creates the man who freaks out when he sees a boob.

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  • [–] 57 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Yeah, for many of us, the experience of women wanting sex is rare. All of those "I have a headache tonight" jokes didn't just fall out of the sky. And, the expected retort to that example is, "obviously, you're not very good at it, then," which reinforces the idea that sex is a competitive event that a man has to develop his skills at in order to be allowed admission, rather than a collaborative activity for the enjoyment of both partners. Under that model, stuff which he enjoys and she doesn't is "perverted," and lots of us men end up thinking we're some grotesque deviants for wanting.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    There's a lot of women who cannot cum when their mentality isn't perfectly aligned which means when they don't feel themselves they don't want sex.

    For men sex is generally more stress relieving and affirming so when they are not feeling great they want it more.

    Also women have "responsive desire" where unless they are approached and engaged they never even think about sex.

    This creates a lot of marriage wreckage I've seen.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    which reinforces the idea that sex is a competitive event that a man has to develop his skills at in order to be allowed admission, rather than a collaborative activity for the enjoyment of both partners

    This is a false dichotomy, because, based on the conversations I've been party to with my friend group (which includes a number of aggressively poly women), a lack of skill can and will make it harder to gain admission. Lack of skill can make it unenjoyable for the other party, which can absolutely gate your admission.

    One of my casual partners in my friend group will semi-regularly reference a former short-term partner who was rather well endowed but didn't know how to use the equipment he had. Lack of skill is what caused her to drop the partner, and I've heard similar conversations with other AFAB friends.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago

    I'm sorry, you're saying it's a false dichotomy but then immediately just supporting their entire point. I don't really know what you're trying to say but it feels like trying to sweep under the rug the difficulties men have

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    For what it's worth, I'd call that a failure of collaboration, rather than losing the competition, assuming she communicated what works for her in some reasonable manner. I mean, I'm assuming that they wouldn't dump an unskilled man who's open to improvement?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    We can also see this in the pop culture, like the perverts in cartoons (i talk for japanese ones, since they are what i watch more often) are usually rappresented as the ones that get excited over a pair of boobs, a bit of skin etc etc

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  • Seeing nice boobs in real life is exciting. Whether it’s taboo is another matter. On the beach when someone’s sunbathing, no, if I were to see them in the middle of the supermarket while grocery shopping, I’d say that was taboo 😂

    I’m left wondering what your idea of perverted is…🤔

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