The examples are pretty funny. Is VERY slow. Like I thought old outlook was a bit on the slow side for syncing. The videos they provide are remarkably slow in every day interactions.
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The new Outlook has been a shit show since day 1. When they first released it it couldn’t load PSTs, it couldn’t use COM add ins, it didn’t link correctly with Teams. You couldn’t correctly add shared calendars. The list just keeps on going, and all the things it fell short on was all stuff that business users heavily relied on.
Granted some of them need to go, but it’s like they didn’t even pay attention to what was used.
It's been truly terrible. When i first tried it, you didn't get a tooltip showing the actual URL of links before you click them, you know, the thing literally every mandatory phishing training I've had to do for the past 20 years.
What gets me still is our work using MS SSO for all our work credentials but it always tells me to "open outlook and select displayed numerical code" to sign in on my phone but never once has it actually worked even if I'm literally sitting at the desktop with Outlook open on the screen. I always have to select "more options" and have them text or email a verification code.
Sounds to me like your Authenticator app link was broken. Had that happen to me when I did an upgrade of my phone. The phone name stayed the same and the app was restored but the underlying link was broken. Had to completely remove it from the MS security portal and readd it.
This is the same with most software today.
We have extraordinarily fast computers and we still have to wait for shit to happen like it’s 1993.
I’m a dev: the problem as I see it has been the focus on “developer productivity “. This means adopting practices that are not consumer friendly.
The predominant attitude in software development for a while also took user hardware for granted.
You didn't need to optimise for memory and CPU usage, because computers are so powerful now, and memory was plentiful that it wasn't anything you needed to concern yourself with, except in the extreme case.
Whereas in 1993, you were much more constrained, so had to squeeze things in to make it run well, or at all.
Doesn't it also have to go through the process of collecting all the data it can possibly get?
The current practices are to make software faster to create, not to use.
I don't understand how people can stand this sort of software (or quality of software). The only explanation is they are hostages of the situation.
I can't say I've experienced any of the problems people talk about here. I use a Mac at work so maybe that's the difference. The old outlook was an enormous memory hog and slow AF. The new one works just fine.
MS is trying to make some of thier money back, after spending all of thier money on AI development,or hositng OPENAI.
There are plenty of sites that you can check to get alternatives for everything Microslop is offering and you can't be bothered to then it's your own fault.
I have to use Outlook for work. It's difficult or impossible to find the features that were actually useful in the new Outlook.
I still use old Outlook because at least it actually works.
It’s so, so bad. I hate it so much. It makes me angry every time I have to do it. Especially when I try to do some sort of action that’s buried 3 menus deep but it decides to sync something at that moment and just pops you out of whatever the fuck you were trying to do.
Same. I will stick with old outlook as long as I can.
Even opening a task takes ten or more seconds on new outlook. What the hell is it doing that old outlook wasn't?
Windows 11 ships with two versions of Outlook. There is Outlook Classic, the long-running Win32 desktop app built for power users, and there is the new Outlook, which Microsoft is pushing as the future of email on Windows. The newer one is built on WebView2 and is, in essence, a browser window that loads Outlook.com.
Old Outlook downloads all your stuff when you sync, so it's immediately available when you try to look at it. New Outlook just being a wrapper around a website probably means it's asking the server for things as you select them.
Oh that's bullshit.
It must be really bad over there at that billion-dollar company where they can't maintain both a website and a native app. Aww.
Holy fucking shit. Imagine paying millions for enterprise software for your thousands of employees, then you basically get an icon that loads a webpage
What the hell is it doing that old outlook wasn't?
Eating all your ram I would guess 🤷♂️
If they try to retire classic outlook I'm gonna riot.
Windows 11 is bad and I was unhappy when I got moved onto it, but is bearable. New outlook is unusable if you get a large number of emails every day for work.
They decided: let's rebuild it with none of the features!!
Good thing that the new Outlook at least doesn't force itself onto you.... oh, wait
I'm so tired of companies replacing apps with far inferior updates. If you need to rewrite, at least ensure it can do the same job.
I'm going to disagree slightly.
IMO, outlook is bloated. It has too many features that are either confusing or difficult to use. Microslop should have released a completely new mail app and given it a new providence along with modern features.
Think gmail but it would work with any email account.
Made with modern programming practices. Streamlined and zippy.
But nope.
They needed to create Outlook (new). Which they enshittified.
I fucking hate Outlook. It is stuck in the age of emails being the primary source of communication in a company. Teams isn't any better. (Give me back slack please!!!!)
But let's be clear here: we (the users) aren't Outlook customers. Corporate IT is. And from their standpoint, Outlook does exactly what they need it to do.
Made with modern programming practices. Streamlined and zippy.
LMAO
I'm sure a lot of the bloat is due to needing to make every single thing backwards compatible due to corporations using it and building tools with it for decades.
Gmail is fine for home use, but not for heavy office use. Outlook is a productivity application and needs to stay one, not just an email client.
My last job used Google for email, auth across multiple apps and office productivity. Worked fairly well, but HR and Accounting still needed Office.
I argued Active Directory would be as cheap or cheaper and far easier to manage, AND give us options we didn't have. For some reason that whole place hated AD.The misconceptions were staggering, as if all they knew was from Windows Server 2003.
I wonder why they are pushing so hard on new outlook. Its one of their most used products...and people REALLY dont like changes to it.
Because the manager running the program needs to justify their job.
But we need a container to run a Docker with several VMs inside so we can run byte code that runs on a web browser that gets compiled back to C++ under a terabyte of abstraction layers that need about 10000 dependencies that require a TPM, 64GB of DDR5-7200 RAM, about 24 cores at the minimum, two or three GPUs, a 10Gbps connection to the cloud, absolutely requires the latest mouse driver in Windows 11, but yet somehow still manages to open on the wrong desktop because the UI crammed together three hamburger menus, an unintuitive context-sensitive icon, a kebab menu at the same place where the cookies settings, adblocker complaint, and "you need to update" requesters pop up.
And the mouse pointer is too small on a 4K screen so you have to wiggle the mouse to see it but at that very instant for some reason the mouse's battery dies.
We have had 5x, 10x, 100x productivity gains from AI for a year or two (or more?). Where is this reflected in Microsoft products?
100x the output of slop features and projects
nobody said the productivity gains would be on quality products. it's quantity over quality 1000%
Like the productivity gains of the past 50 years, the gains have gone straight to the wealthy.
My favorite is when outlook pops up a meeting notification about five minutes into the meeting after I’m already in the meeting.
My favorite thing about the meeting notifications is that the organizer sets the reminder. So, if their default is no reminder, nobody gets a notification.
I've been in meetings where several people missed the start of the meeting because of this. And no, there is no way to override it, even with a rule.
Okay, yes. That sounds like it's a drawback, but additionally you get not being notified of meetings and looking like an asshole all the time! What a great deal!
Search in Outlook always was a dumpster fire. But the search in the latest version of Outlook has failed to clear even the already low expectations I had for it.
I now save a copy of any email I think I’ll need to reference in the future in a folder on my PC.
You could put them into the pile of trillions of websites online, and Google would still find your file in less than a second. Microsoft has known this to be possible for 3 decades and they still shit the bed when asked to search local data.
Even without the entire other 99.99% of the dumpster fire that is Microsoft, this one fact should have put them out of business 20 years ago.
Microsoft is a testament to how badly our society's system of value allocation "functions".
It should be criminal to even charge money for MS software considering how much garbage it is
Isn't it an improvement if it takes 10 seconds to crash instead of crashing immediately?
It takes about 5 seconds to show the drives in Explorer for some reason, like its an Amstrad PC1540.
This is the same idiot misrepresenting WhatsApp ram usage. His job is to inflame, not inform.
Microsoft doesn't know how to make software anymore. That's not an anti-AI thing, or even an anti-microsoft thing, they just truly don't know.
It's not a tech company anymore. The people in charge aren't nerds, they aren't coders, their business people now. The org is so large and cumbersome that the left hand never knows what the right is doing. How can they possibly make software when you have to go through 42 teams for even the smallest feature request, miles of red tape, approvals, legal, everything. Small startups can build better things because they don't have all the stupid bureaucracy of big tech, and Microsoft just keeps adding more. "Maybe even more overhead will get us operational!" It's no wonder to me they're falling behind, they don't know how to make things anymore.
I use Thunderbird for my stuff. I like it for personal email. Its good enough.
Both of my workplaces use Outlook, and it's so cumbersome. Microsoft's products do not work well on Linux/Firefox. It's like they only test in Edge.
Tried to install and use Thunderbird the other day. Of course I need to ask an administrator to get permission to use Thunderbird as an approved app for both organizations. Not gonna happen, probably. 💀
I am one of the biggest MS hater out there and my organization requires outlook.
Not sure how I did it, but I've manage to bypass that stupid permission thing. You can get TB to look pretty much like outlook so nobody ever said anything.
Pretty much all modern software is garbage. I routinely have to go back to 2009 or earlier to find stuff that isn't awful.
Using "New" Outlook is granting Microsoft's webmail server permission to access and read everything in your mailbox, from the day it was created to the latest email received. Anyone using it willingly is a fucking idiot.
All it IS is an edge webview window loading outlook.com. Go ahead. Block outlook.com and watch it fail spectacularly.
I'm concerned about what you wrote here. I'm not clear though -- how is what you wrote different from what the outlook desktop does otherwise? Outlook always had access to my email and calendar account, doesn't it?
The "traditional" Outlook (Which Microsoft now calls Outlook "Legacy") stores your data locally, on your local storage inside your PC.
"New" Outlook allows outlook.com to sync your mail to THEIR MAIL SERVER, allowing them to train the AI on it, etc. It's no longer YOUR email. It's theirs.
To be the biggest and most hilarious thing abut Outlook on desktop is unified Inbox.
Mobile Outlook App? Yep. Old ass Mail App? Yep. Outlook: What's unified Inbox precious?
This site also needs 10 seconds to load the unoptimized and mostly unneccessary images.
Took 330 ms to load for me. Maybe your internet connection is a bit slow? Its also getting hit by multiple big sites at the same time.
Every time it asks me to try the new outlook, I do an eye roll. It sucks, stop asking.
That sucks but this is clearly a bug, not a performance issue.
Who the hell uses Outlook???
I'm forced to at my job. It's either outlook or outlook online, no third party clients.
What do you use instead?
Corpo Gmail.
O.... Gmail.
But I've had it for so long. I was literally a beta tester way back when.
On the other hand I have an android phone so it's Gmail or bust. There's no real way to use an android with it. And since I need email for extremely basic correspondence I don't bother moving to a different one.
college accounts, some colleges use outlook as thier primary email source, also ties into the apps that come along with it.



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