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[–] 3 points 4 months ago

billionare welfare queens

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    That went soooo well for Louisiana

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    [–] 56 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I mean, we get lots of tax breaks, they're just highly dependent on increasingly arcane rulesets that are ever-changing and still designed to keep you on the edge of poverty. And then they're paid for with higher taxes in years following.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    If you're a "company" you get to offset money coming in with expenses and even in the most honest of systems only pay tax on the difference (i.e. the profits).

    If you're an "individual" you pay taxes on any money coming in and cannot offset it with expenses.

    So even at the structural level the system is designed to be incredibly unfair. That shit you describe is just adding insult to injury.

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  • [–] 50 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I keep saying it, so maybe I should make a meme of it:

    The key ingredient for data centers in the US is not an abundance of water and power, but cheap, bribeable regional officials.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    "We need term limits" lol. Term limits mean politicians need to line their pockets even faster. Fucking Rome was famous for this shit.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    What we really need to do is hold corrupt politicians and the businesses that are paying them accountable for 150% of the damages from their schemes. None of this "I took a 5 million dollar bribe and I got 6 months house arrest plus a 1500 dollar fine."

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Rich ppl are a threat to civilization and need to be significantly disempowered.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Well, that's because they create jobs.

    Oh ,wait.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago

    The last figure I saw for some Ohio data center was $15 million in tax breaks for 10 jobs. At this rate, give 10 random people in Ohio $1.5 million. That would help the economy much more.

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  • [–] 40 points 5 months ago

    Thanks for the red, squiggly underline. I'm recovering from my fifth lobotomy this week, and it really aids comprehension.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    Ohio is the upper Midwest Mississippi

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Politicians should get no peace. No taking out the garbage, no going out to eat, none of it without a mob screaming in their faces 24/7.

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    Because you voted your way into this

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    it's like you can jump out of lava

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Unless you're dead, you can at least try. Beats folding your arms and complaining that this jumping strategy pails in comparison with your superiour strategy of wishing really hard you could fly.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    You wouldn't even have time to fold your arms before you were dead. Being able to jump into the lava doesn't imply that jumping can save you from lava.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Well, you aren't dead yet, aren't you. Means that wasn't that deadly of a lava, so maybe try to jump instead of trying to convince everyone around that we're already burned to crisps, so no point to even try. We aren't, not yet, that's demonstrable by the fact that we're still talking about it.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Genuine questions: then what is the solution and how have you contributed to it?

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Genuine answer: organizing with your fellow people, and forming communities. It's not an accident that seems such a monumental task today when historically it was the only reason people survived hardship.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    What are you looking for me to tell you everything I’ve done and hope you think it’s enough? Pathetic. Kick rocks

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Why? Because the alternative will lead to people watching their loved ones get hurt or die. People are used to a peaceful existence for the most part, and particularly in the US, food and medicine being regularly available.

    If we have to shoot our way out, many will pay a grave cost. I'm not saying it's not a potential outcome, and if it comes to that, it is what it is, but I don't blame people for wanting to find any alternative that doesn't involve the complete social collapse of a civilization.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    Multilateral approaches to revolution are statistically way more successful. Meaning there have to be multiple factions but usually some use force or threat of force to back up the peaceful majority. Thems be the facts

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Obviously a violent approach shouldn’t be chosen first or lightly or at all if possible—but that doesn’t mean people can’t and shouldn’t start taking steps to defend themselves from illegal violence from the ruling class.

    People right now can learn how to operate, maintain and store firearms safely. People right now can form militias and community defense groups as a deterrence from the ruling class violence.

    None of that have to mean performing acts of violence, but can help us have a stronger position to bargain in the future.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    Well if fighting is too high a cost then you could just live with and just accept the new order and probably live a completely normalish life assuming climate collapse isn't as bad as projected.

    Which I'm afraid is what most people will end up doing.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Maybe tax breaks should have to be passed via referendum

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Say what you want about Cleveland but they have an awesome newpaper.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Ohio is a magat shithole may they get everything they voted for

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I should save this for the next time I see “billionaires pay more tax than you”.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    People get lots of tax breaks. But tax breaks are helpful proportional to your tax debt.

    A 10% tax reduction on $1000 is a pittance compared to $1M

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Thanks Obama..

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Even if you look at it through a pure numbers view, places that do this are dumb. Data centers have a figurative two people working in them. They are not getting paid enough and spending enough to cover the tax loss of the kind of cuts they are offering the company to get them.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I have fantasies that some day we may hunt billionaires (and anyone who refuses to abandon the wealth) much the way we hunted escaped high-ranking Nazis after WWII.

    We're going to need to collectively get really mad for this to happen, though since whenever someone does a socialism the capitalists get aggressive, so a rising socialist civilization emerging from the ashes of empire might go after the ultra-wealthy as a pre-emptive defensive measure.

    For now it's all just blue-sky fantasy, though.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    State government foregoing potential tax revenue to guarantee the purchasing of equipment from in-state suppliers. There is a logic to it.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    No DC I ever worked in bought from things made in the state...

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Exactly, thus the tax exemption to change that behavior. Foregoing tax revenue you were never going to get to help local businesses.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Is this what is actually happening? Or is that just how you'd want for it to be done?

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    What else could possibly be happening?

    You guys are talking about these like they're subsidies. If I were to read just the comments I would be left with the impression that the government is paying to build the data center using tax payers money while letting the corporation keep all the resulting profits tax free.

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  • [+] -11 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    Data centers don't sell anything directly to consumer in order to collect taxes. Taxes are only applied to the end user.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    This may be sales tax breaks for things purchased by the datacenter? no sales tax on millions of dollars of computing and cooling is a huge amount...

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Yea but it helps make sure the purchasing of said equipment goes to local suppliers. If they buy from out of state there is no revenue anyways, at least this benifits the local economy.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    They get huge tax breaks on things property, excise, abatement incentives. Not sales like this post claimed

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    https://www.cleveland.com/news/2026/06/ohios-biggest-data-centers-secured-decades-of-tax-breaks.html

    Amazon, Meta and Google all signed agreements between 2014 and 2018 that granted them 100% sales tax exemptions for up to 40 years on any facility built in Ohio if the companies invested a certain amount in the state.

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    When you add them all up, Ohio has given up at least $2.3 billion in sales taxes, according to documents from the Ohio Department of Development that were shared with Cleveland.com.

    And the last contract doesn’t expire until 2058.

    Seems like they are though, huh

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    The purchaser doesn't pay sales tax though. You pay sales tax when you "sell"

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    You've got it backwards. Sales tax is what the person purchasing the thing pays.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    No, you actually pay the tax on the sale. But culturally we've just moved that to the buyer. The seller "collects" that tax you see in the receipt and pays the IRS. You don't ever actually pay the tax to the IRS as the buyer.

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