No wonder the CIA is fucking with them.
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She needs to reform the US, next.
Honestly, companies have legitimately taken advantage of productivity gains from technology over the last 30+years. We get more done individually now than we ever have before, so companies save millions on effectively having less staff, that're also paid less due to sharp rises of inflation & CoL.
We should be down to 24 hours a week IMO, because I myself piss away about half my week anyway trying to come up with shit to do! I know others are in similar boats.
I own a company, self employed and I set up my business to only need to do 20 billable hours a week. That covers my wage and insurance costs for myself. Obviously at that I'm not making profit as a business but as an employee I am making a good living
It really opened my eyes to how much businesses fuck their employees and how much value i created for the 13 years i worked for others.
Wow, what's your role and how do I get it?
In IT, some weeks are super busy, but as I've improved things at work (upgrading equipment, fixed old issues, automated some repeat processes, etc), there are other weeks it's "slow" and I feel like I'm just sitting there. It used to be nonstop all the time when I was new, but the were a lot of unresolved problems or things the last guy didn't know how to do. I probably couldn't get away with 3x 8 hour days as stuff will always happen unexpectedly, but still. It would be less of a problem if I could go back to working remote at least partially. Going onsite everyday is also annoying AF.
Just like the first industrial revolution. We're again in a post industrial gilded age.
And then there is the rest of us fighting to add more hours to our day just to get through it to massively varied degrees as they are
Reducing your working hours would add so much valuable time to everyone's lives. Of your workload is so great, time to hire additional help. Not your problem.
You recall when covid first happened and so many and remote? Productivity shot up 17%according to several articles. Less "wasted time" with 'water cooler' talk. People could get coffee at home faster, quieter environments to focus in, etc. Insurance rates went down bc far less on the road, oil went down since demand dropped. It was ironically positive. It was great!
But the commercial real estate problem began, and C suites started micro managing because they were told petiole will just slack off and all these made up problems were spread to get people back into the offices.
It's bullshit to keep us working so long every day. If you're still overwhelmed with your workload, your company clearly is understaffed. I've learned, "the only reward for working hard is more work" and if you're currently just managing to get it done, it's seen as no extra help needed. "You got this".. Start letting stuff fall behind or putting it off, because you've got other stuff you prioritize. Call off sick at an inconvenient time so upper management sees the loss when you're out. It'll start to send signals that they in fact need help!
I don't work an office job. I work in operations. I can't reduce my workload it is what it is by the nature of my job. I've had to cut staff continually since covid. I worked everyday during it and no one gives a shit unless you were a healthcare worker at that time.
Mexico is amending it's constitution and the US can't even pass a budget to keep it's fucking bridges from collapsing. Meanwhile USA calls Mexico a failed state lol.
its, not it's.
You mean pass a bill to fund genocide with bridge money.
The government used to tax rich people to fund infrastructure. Now it borrows from them like a crack head at a pay-day-loan shop.
Well, Americans are too cowardly to start breaking shit. What do you expect?
Don't know where all the 2015-20 riot energy went.
And make us pay for it!
I think we already built it and paid for it.
I do miss the simpler times when the wall of stupid was our biggest political battleground. Now we have genocide support, a smorgasbord of other war crimes across the globe, open pedophilia and rape by our president, Dems are nearly as bad as openly fascist repubs, all of our industrialists have gone crazy, no one can afford much of anything, health care is unattainable, bad, and run by a brain wormed guy-- and our education system is being dissolved in acid. And the list just goes on and on. Its exhausting.
Nah americans are too poor and tired to move.
not all of them, for example
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs22MyD8qdgDF-kJyv6Zofw
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHMMMPpc7xI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Piye02JLc
and this guy
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuNKV0CMgcVUiJNdA-JNlJA
and a zillion more
And many too racist to even think about it, also too 'Murica brained to think any other place can be better.
As an American, I would love to move to Mexico. I have brought up the idea with my family but there are reasons to stay currently.
Anybody upset about this needs to be upset with their employer. If you need to work over 12 hours a day everyday you're being severely underpaid. Saying this as a guy that used to do it to survive. My boss would praise me and tell people everyone needed to be more like me while knowing damn well why I was doing what I was doing. Tried to be the empathetic hand while completely exploiting me.
How did you manage to get out from under them?
I did it the hard way. Job hopping! I'm in IT without a degree (I have certs now but didn't when I started). I have years of experience because I took entry level positions but had gaps in my knowledge due to not having a formal education. I started finding jobs that I had 80% of the know how from previous employers specifically. The pay would always be low for what I was doing, but it was a trade off since I had things to learn. I had to look for companies that weren't willing to pay top dollar for IT so they'd be willing to ignore my lack of experience on some things.
After landing the job, I'd focus on that 20% specifically for resume bullet points. After 1 year (very important to stay for at least 1 year!), I'd evaluate. Sometimes I'd jump ship taking along with me any references, promotions (job titles are important folks), and certs I could along the way. Sometimes I'd stay longer than a year depending on what was happening. The pay was never right so I knew I wasn't going to stay.
Most of these places were small to medium sized, toxic, unprofessional, and had high attrition rates.
After years of that, I started landing positions mostly based on the network I built of professional references. I have professional friends that help me out that are higher up on the latter and I have ones that I help / bring up with me that are below me on the latter.
Being honest, this was not the easy way by far and I don't even know if you could still do what I did.
Today though, I have steady employment working for a large organization. My pay is good but not great. I'm not rich but I can make rent and have some left over for savings working only 40 hours a week. Really that's all I ever wanted! I'm still working on my career but I'm happy I don't have to do it while killing myself to not starve anymore!
This answers the question I had, about what happens if a worker does in fact work longer than that.
Employees can work overtime during the workweek, but no more than 12 hours total, with a maximum of four hours on any given day and no more than four overtime days per week.
I wonder what the rules are around having a second job?
In most countries a second job is just not really allowed without your primary employer's approval. Which they are very unlikely to give. It's more a US thing for people who have problems making ends meet.
In Australia you can have as many jobs as you want, zero issues. id be appalled if I needed my employers permission, like a little kid asking their dad for permission.
It depends on the nature of the job.
If you are a educated professional, then companies get pissy about how your second job might interfere with your primary work and erode some competitive advantage.
If you are working hours in a fast food place, they don't give a shit unless you fail to cover your shifts and never are available to pick up a shift for someone who can't cover theirs.
Many countries, sure. It would not be true for most countries. Not to mention freelance work, consulting gigs, or general self employment on the side.
How common it is may be different than whether or not it is allowed.
The rules are as long as the schedules don't overlap, you can get as many jobs as you like, really. The overtime thing is per job, not in total.
There probably aren't any, but it would likely show up in your performance.
If you and your team mates all work 40 hours a week, but one of them spends an additional 20 hours at some other job you would see it in their performance.
This is how serious countrys operate.
"The reform does not mandate two rest days per week. [...] create the conditions under which a four-day working week becomes practically achievable for the first time for a significant portion of the Mexican workforce."
Mexico is one of the few countries with only a 1-day weekend, along with:
- Colombia, Bolivia, Equatorial Guinea, Honduras, Hong Kong, North Korea, Pakistan, Philippines, Uganda, and India (Sundays);
- Djibouti (only 40h/w tho), Palestine, Iran, and Somalia (Fridays); and
- Nepal (only 42h/w tho) (Saturdays).
I had to execute a contract with a supplier in Mexico recently and they have a law (REPSE) that means you cannot engage a sub contractor when instead there's a reasonable argument that you could employ them instead.
It's to protect an empire being manipulated and not receive benefits. They really do look out for their employee rights which is great to see
Hopefully, Mexico will actually achieve the American Dream, rather than being dragged into a nightmare by their capitalists.
Can't wait for American illegal immigrants to get deported from Mexico
That's already a problem in Mexico. American immigrants have been moving to the nice parts of Mexico, and they have been inflating the ever living fuck out of the prices there. American money is unmatched, and no Mexican business is going to dumb enough to let it slip by. They've been increasing prices and catering to Americans to the point where Mexicans are being squeezed out entirely from the equation.
There are parts of Mexico city where Mexicans are completely priced out. People with houses in the nice parts try to sell them to Americans to get more money. Developers are building condo buildings that cater to American styles, and they're entirely branded and marketed in English. Businesses in the area notice the increase in Americans walking around and jack up their prices to get a share of the pie themselves, which leads Americans to get another part of the city that's still cheap to get the most out of their money repeating the cycle. Americans have already been doing this to countries like Spain, Portugal, and Italy, but now they're doing it to Mexico too.
That's the beauty of the Mexican project. They're going to accommodate the refugees in a way Americans refused to do. And they're going to become a better country for it
Who cares about productivity? Can't people just enjoy life at the level our resources allow? Why people need to work most of the week anymore is a mystery to me. Or past the age of 45-50. I'm so god damn tired of the endless repetitive grind of meaningless work to create next year's landfill...
Don't let perfect be enemy of the good.
Maximum working hours* which is not the same.
Americans sign up for jobs at 40 and if they're salaried they almost all work at least 45, and are then expected to be contacted out of work.
Be honest, that's not where millions of Americans are. 3 jobs, no overtime, ludicrous living costs is where many Americans are.
It's worse than that. They're reducing 2 hours per year until they reach 40, but they're keeping six work days per week.
Can she somehow come to the UK
Just look at the awful things a woman president will do.
Let's pretend the Queen of England didn't just finally fuck off or all the other female authoritarians/war criminals, let's remove her agency and attribute any good she does to being a woman.
It's more sexist than the implication itself.
Margaret Thatcher was UK's Reagan. Everything she didn't ruin herself; she readied to be ruined later.
It wasn't because she was a woman. It was because she was a freaking neoliberal.
It's also just really fucking annoying that this platitude comes up every time a headline is posted about a woman doing good, as if people are just incapable of thinking it through.
Neither Clinton nor Harris would have supported this, and in fact, they'd have told their rotating villains to oppose it and claimed powerlessness, as Dems always do. (Which is, in part, why they lost their elections.)
We have similar laws here in Spain but it is a bit annoying, my employer is making me 'clock in clock out' now all the time. So they can comply with this stuff.
Previously I just worked when I needed to, I work in IT and I was often flexible, hopping out to the shop or the doctor during the day and in the evening I'd hop on a call with someone in Australia. But now everything has to be formalised and officially requested which is honestly annoying. So I tend to just report bullshit hours and do whatever I did before, there's just another bullshit bureaucracy load on me. I was not being exploited and probably worked less than my requisite hours. Just saying these things can backfire as well.
Meanwhile the Indian guy in the mini market downstairs still works 12 hours a day because they only look at large corporations when they enforce this. Which weren't the ones where the problem was in the first place. Because nobody bothers to check the little businesses.
I'm not against laws preventing the abuse of employees, but I mean it just feels I got the short end of the stick, again. The company just shifted their responsibility onto me. People just report fantasy hours, the company is happy because they 'comply' and nothing actually changed.
Alright but surely you understand that a lot of people were being exploited and this is a good change for them?
Yes but they still are, that's the thing. The big corporations just added another layer of pretend compliance and the rest is not policed.
I think the politicians came off with a publicity win but nothing was actually changed in practice.
Yes I do understand I'm just a capitalist so I'll pretend it affects me negatively. Think about my strawman instead
hint: you’re not a capitalist, you’re a piece of capital in a system that requires you to sell yourself to the owners so you can afford to live. you’re a “resource.”
I'm not a capitalist, but I do hate bureaucracy. Especially when it's just a fantasy for the sake of compliance. Because nobody I know actually reports their real hours. The company just tells the employees they are responsible for timekeeping. If you don't report the exact number of official hours every day you get penalised. Besides that the pressure on employees (not on me like I said but on some others in the same company yes) is still as hard as ever. I have no ambitition to rise in my career so for me it's a bit different.
What I object to is this law not actually improving things but companies weaseling out of it as usual.
Because it's another hassle in my work day. Like I said I hate bureaucracies, especially unnecessary ones.
This doesn't mean anything because a lot of work in Mexico is informal and done in cash, and so these changes won't have an effect on the people who need them the most.
Besides, the country is going through an existential crises right now with the cartels ripping the country apart. A lot of people are already criticizing her for not focusing on the most pressing problems, and they're right. This is nice in theory, but things like crime and violence have gotten so out of hand that parts of the country are unlivable for the average folk. She's being increasingly regarded by Mexicans as another cartel stooge in office.
You can't have this all or nothing approach. You'll never get anything done. This should be celebrated as a step in the right direction and further actions be encouraged.
This the problem with the more radical leftists on here. They want these massive sweeping changes to happen or nothing at all. And that's just not going to happen. Change is incremental. So they never get what they want because they never show up to vote.
It's not all or nothing. This law is fine in of itself, but in the context that it's in, it comes off as tone deaf from the president. This would be like Putin legalizing recreational marijuana while their invasion of Ukraine is still ravaging the Russian economy. In a vacuum such a law is fine, but in the real world there's a giant elephant in the room that waiting to be addressed.
The only way to address systemic problems like crime and violence in any meaningful way is addressing the underline problem that pushed people to commit crimes. That underline problem is quality of life which is directly related to income.
Taking people out of the informal job market is another problem to tackle that can be helped with having better work laws. Having good working laws stimulate people to get jobs in the formal market and avoid offers for informal work even if with better pay. That is not a problem that would be solved in the short term but this laws will help with that. The same approach was used in other countries and together with more government enforcement and fiscalizaton of the companies you see great improvement over the years and decades migrating people to the formal job market and reduction in crimes and violence.
You would be right if we were talking about normal crime and violence, but we're not. The cartels aren't made up of poor people who are committing crimes out of desperation. The people who are in the cartels do the most horrific things just to join, and once they join, they're in for life. They have very organized hierarchies that keep a strict order, that's why they're massive crime syndicates.
They abduct people from their houses, they assassinate politicians, they hold public executions, burn down businesses who don't pay extortion fees, they torture people they kidnap, they rig elections, they put their corrupted judges and politicians in power, and the list goes on and on. They're even starting to control the country's biggest industries. For example, there's a good chance that the avocadoes you buy from the store came from a cartel controlled farm. Things were bad before, but they're especially bad now with the Sinaloa cartel being fractured. There's a lot of cartels competing for the top spot and things are ugly, really ugly. Some of the cartels are especially brutal just for the sake of it like Jalisco New Generation.
Mexico is a very unequal country. The nice areas are very nice. They're safe, peaceful, have tourists, and are relatively wealthy. But the bad areas? They're not even controlled by the government, they're ruled by the cartels. They have so much violence that Mexico as a whole is considered a major war zone by the ACLED. You would think that president would prioritize something this pressing, but she gets offended at the very thought of her doing something about the cartels. Her predecessor, AMLO, did the same thing and he is widely regarded as a cartel stooge. She's now being increasingly viewed in the same light.
Someone always thinks something else is more important. Doing that and making (wishfully) perfect the enemy of good are solid recipes for no progress.
In the abstract sure, but in reality context is everything. Would you celebrate countries like Israel or Russia passing similar labor reforms? Probably not, and rightfully so, because those countries clearly have much bigger, more pressing problems going on... like active wars and genocides. Mexico is not that far off, the cartel situation is truly something that is that disproportionate and bleak.
Yes. Improvement no matter how small is still improvement. More importantly, improving conditions can have sideways impacts on those big problems. Cartels (and Putin, using your Russia example) feed off desperation. Improving material conditions tends to make things harder for the bad guys, which is why the bad guys work so hard to make materials conditions worse (/wave MAGA). In reality, most problems are multi-faceted so we'd be fools not to see the big picture and do what we can where we can. The alternative, hyper focusing on the big problems, lets other problems grow which ultimately ends up feeding the big problem.
I don't think we necessarily disagree on principle, we just disagree in our conclusions. I don't think what I'm calling for is hyper fixation. The cartel issue by far the biggest and most pressing issue in the country to the point where it's existential threat, and yet it is completely neglected at the cost of the common people. Again, I don't have an issue with laws like this, you're right that any improvement is better than nothing. However, it does highlight the fact the president is tone deaf. She's been in office for 2 years now, and she has largely followed in the footsteps of her predecessor, AMLO, in going soft of cartels, which is a mistake costing the country dearly.
You talk about improving material conditions makes things for the bad guys, but the bad guys here are not the government. Cartels directly worsen material conditions with their operations, they obviously don't follow labor laws, and there's nothing to counter their influence in the country. There's shootouts in the streets that are akin to active warzones. The people who are saying I'm letting perfect be the enemy of good are delusional. This is like having a bear chewing on your leg in a national park while you scream in agony for a park ranger to help you, only for one to arrive and tell the good news that he's revoking your parking ticket before leaving.
I mean… I get your sentiment (and admittedly, I’m not really knowledgeable about the situation over there), but if the cartels’ influence is really as pervasive as you say… is there even anything that can be realistically done to address the problem directly? Has any candidate (even minor ones) proposed a plan to deal with them and they got messed with? Or is everyone just too disillusioned to even try?
Genuinely asking, because the way you described it, it sounds even worse than the Mafia situation in the nineties in Italy, and that was really bleak.

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