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[–] 45 points 5 months ago (6 children)

I’m about halfway through my degree and haven’t used AI for any of it 🤷‍♂️ Including at least two 10 page papers and I don’t even know how many 3-5 page ones, lol. I have no intention of changing that either, why would I want to dilute my writing voice or my line of reasoning throughout the paper? Writing is thinking, there are so many things you think you understand well until you sit down and try to explain it. That’s the point, that’s the process of learning.

If it was up to me I would accept a student doing a presentation instead of a final paper if they really struggled with writing, because I’ve seen professors do that and I think it teaches just as much (also it’s fun to watch people give presentations they’re enthusiastic about). But it has to be equivalent to the amount of writing you’d be doing, like 20 minutes to present 3-4 pages. But either way, AI isn’t going to teach you anything for either of those compared to doing the work yourself.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago

    Oh man, I asked Claude to summarize my commits and changes today, using the voice and structure of my usual daily updates.

    It was fucking awful.

    Claude spent 5 minutes on this then I had to review and edit anyway. I ended up spending 10 minutes writing down the what+why in a bullet list from scratch and it’s 100x clearer and better.

    The AI neither did a better job nor saved me time.

    I think you’re doing the right thing.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I suspect in five years or so final exams will be a 1 on 1, face to face meeting with the teacher where they ask you some softball questions you should be able to answer easily if you did even some of the homework.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm in a field that decidedly does not value the written word beyond the minimum they need to understand and write emails, but I had to take a couple of writing classes in college.

    I had to write several 10+ page papers, including research papers (like actual research, not "do your own research" research) before LLMs existed and I'm so fucking thankful for it. Nearly every single day I have to read the shit my colleagues write, and it's like they've never read a book in their entire lives. It's honestly tragic.

    And this is a field full of ostensibly intelligent people.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I love this take. One suggestion I would make is also rake your knowledge and try to help someone earlier in their journey. Writing is great but you get no feedback immediately(you may get some later).

    When you explain something which you only have a surface knowledge of and the other person asks why... That's teaches both of you alot.

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    I'm not gonna feel any kind of sorry for an idiot that cannot imagine not needing a machine to do all of their thinking for them.

    That's a literal real world NPC right there.

    And shit, that's an insult to a fair number of NPCs, who have better writing, voice acting, and potentially GOAP driven tactics.

    Fuck, sometimes even better facial animations.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Watching so many functioning adults and people alike just lobotomize themselves immediately when AI became a thing is just so fucking tragic

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    The CEO of one of my companies clients literally said they couldn't do their job without Claude when we told him his PC was slowing down to the point of being unusable due to the desktop app and suggested he not use it

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It is the prophecy foretold by our entire 20th/21st century concept of Zombies.

    Its just that the vector for mind obliteration is primarily digital, not biological or supernatural.

    It is the endpoint result of our laziness and preference for convenience.

    When the rat in the skinner box gets a button wired to its brain that releases dopamine, the rat just hits the button untill it dehydrates/starves to death.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    As people here might notice over time, I write long comments on Lemmy without even noticing, all without AI. I feel like a mutant, though not so much in a good way.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    People used to call me the dictionary for having a ton of useless information, but now they call me chatgpt :(

    I genuinely worked hard on learning an encyclopedia worth of knowledge and fun facts and I get compared to a hallucinating predictive text model. SMHOAT

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    not that it can't be done,just you specifically couldn't do it 😂 (j/k)

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Have they ever heard of books? Whole volume with up to several thousand pages written by people.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Tbf, I'm old enough to have known the world before the world wide web, let alone ChatGPT, and I really don't understand how the hell anyone could write an internally consistent 1000+ page book/series.

    Writers are witches.

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  • Back before the internet became so addictive, I could write and write and write for long periods. Nowadays I have a really short attention span.

    I do try to write hand-written letters every year, but work and chores and everything keeps getting in the way.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I've written two books, both well over 100,000 words. While writing the books, I had to read, and re-read them several times, of course. I also spent quite a bit of time researching things, reading parts of other people's books.

    The first one I wrote before ChatGPT existed. I finished the second one last year, but I have no idea how to use ChatGPT to write a book, so I didn't try. Besides, writing is fun, why let a stupid machine do it?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    why let a stupid machine do it?

    From what I've seen, it's to make a knock off of established work and hope people buy it on Amazon thinking they are getting something from an actually good series.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    "There's no way you could write a 10 page paper without ChatGPT"

    Pulls out a novel

    Pulls out medical journal

    Pulls out documentation for home insurance

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    chatgpt please summarize all 3 of these

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Nah your lying. People back than had AI programmed directly inside there head. Nowadays kids have to use external AI models.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Back then, you'd find usable info on the web. Now everything is buried under centuries worth of AI slop read. Plus it was more accepted to have blind spots on your knowledge. Now everyone using AI raises some bars and the only sucker not using AI gets a worse grade.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Also most professors try offsetting the cheaters by increasing exam weights, meanwhile people using chatbots finish all their homeworks in like 5 minutes and spend rest of their time studying for the test specifically.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Remember ripping off a ten pager in college the night before because you worked all week and procrastinated? I do

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    Have these shitgurgling fuckwits ever heard of a goddamn book?

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    I've been seeing more and more tradies respond to customer enquiries with llm generated emails. AFAIC that instantly means you get shitlisted.

    If you can't even write a fucking email you are not working on my house. This is supposed to be your field of expertise and you outsourced even talking about it to something using fucking reddit and facebook as sources

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    This kid's going to lose their mind when they find out about books.

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    [–] 8 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Replace this with “without the Internet“, and I remember having this exact same conversation 25 years ago.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    The internet is completely different, it's not an LLM.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    I didn’t say that the internet and LLMs were the same, but that the above conversation and ones I’d had about the internet were.

    I think you misunderstood the context; this was about writing papers unassisted by technology, not about the specific technology involved.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    No, I understand it's not about the specific technology, but I thought you were trying to imply that they were similar and that they produce the same results in reference to writing papers. My apologies if that was incorrect.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    what I meant is that new technologies tend to make people forget how things were done before they existed.

    in the older example, my reply would be a sarcastic, "try a library!" Because that's how we did research before we could just look anything up on the internet.

    hell, there was a time when I wasn't allowed to hand in my homework typed, as my teachers didn't believe that I had completed the work myself unless they saw it in my own handwriting-- even though they were fully aware that was taking typing/computer classes. (elementary school in the 80s was... very different).

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, makes sense from that angle. Thanks.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago*

    Having to write a book report in fifth grade on an author of a book and a book itself with only a school library or a local library available to you was an entire journey, not an afternoon. It took, like, a week, and you had to learn how to write footnotes and end notes with complete references and formatting and everything.

    End during that journey, you had to learn a lot about how to do all of those things before you could even get at the information you wanted or needed.

    When people say “things were better then, a lot of times that may be what they were referring to, because if I wanted to write a book report about, “to kill a Mockingbird“, I had to learn a lot just to get to that information. And that was the point of it. The exercise itself taught us in ported skills we would need for similar tasks in the future.

    Now, with AI, I’ve put more effort into this comment then some kid does to produce a 10 page essay about that book and the author without even having to read the book.

    How far we have backslid

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago
    [–] 11 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Really? This shit made front page twice?

    You people do realize this is likely made-up ragebait, right? You really got energy for this?

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    You people do realize this is likely made-up ragebait, right?

    As someone currently in college (soon not to be as I am dumb), I believe it. This indeed is how many do assignments, and also study, thus fully trusting the correctness of the information.

    But it's coming from both sides.
    Lecturer on programming class told us we can ask questions if we have some. Cool, I did.
    So I asked, got "That's a good question, let's find out.", he typed out my question to Gemini, and read back the answer.
    This was an introductory class to C, and my question was if you can find how much memory was allocated with malloc. His answer was Gemini's answer which was a concrete no.
    Stackoverflow however provided me with better information on the matter: https://stackoverflow.com/a/1281720 (possibly yes)

    Also, I've seen him ask and copy paste a number from Gemini. I think it was what a max value is for uint32_t.
    Putting 2^32^-1 into a calculator? Nah, let's use an inefficient non-deterministic calculator instead.
    Lastly, he added "AI is your most patient teacher".

    He did the speaking part of lectures above average, but holy information sources...

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    I watched a TA (teaching assistant) pull up their chatbot history when I challenged my DSA exam grades. I got about 17 points back. My grade went from high 60s to middle 80s.

    Also anectode: I personally know of 2 people that sit in the back during 60+ people exams and simply use their phones.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    You can pick nits that OP's specific quote didn't happen if you want to bother checking. I don't care.

    UC San Diego freshmen not prepared for college-level math, writing classes: Report

    According to the report, the number of freshmen at UC San Diego who did not meet middle-school proficiency standards in mathematics increased nearly 30 times between 2020 and 2025, despite students having taken the required high school math classes.

    The report goes on to say that in 2024, two out of five students who needed to take remedial math classes also had to take remedial writing classes.

    Student prompted ChatGPT to write about "homeliness" and not "homelessness."

    Made my kids write an essay...the tears OMG the tears!

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I never learned to bullshit much, and my default behaviour when i don't know shit is doing nothing. Can anyone explain why i didn't get a degree?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I author those kinds of papers routinely for work unfortunately. Usually closer to 30-40 pages but there are graphs so I guess that takes a few pages off. But….yeah…

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Yup. This applies to every technology post-enlightenment technology. We didn't need cars, we didn't need the internet, we didn't need phones, we didn't need TV, we didn't need X-rays, we didn't need pharmaceuticals, we didn't need automated production and we certainly don't need anything to think for us.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It's strawman rage bait. You can say the same thing about sailing vs combustion engine shipping, programming via C on notepad vs modern development environments and languages, etc.

    The missing context is the time required when you know what you're doing. And yeah sometimes walking is still faster than driving a car. But let's not pretend we're not seeing a major shift like industrialization or the internet. Both of which have fucked up society and the world in countless ways as much as it has benefited us.

    I can write a solid 10 page well-researched paper out of a library in two weeks. With the internet, I can write that same paper with even better research in one week. With AI tools, I can write that same paper with better readability, conciseness, and overall editing in a couple days.

    What's the cost? Probably not pretty, but the deadline is a lot shorter than it used to be now. And that's the reality most people will find themselves in now.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I can write a solid 10 page well-researched paper out of a library in two weeks. With the internet, I can write that same paper with even better research in one week. With AI tools, I can write that same paper with better readability, conciseness, and overall editing in a couple days.

    The difference is that, despite you knowing how to reach the end goal, someone who doesn't understand any of what you do could match your output of "a couple days" in 3-4 days' time. It cheapens the value of actually understanding what you're talking about. Using LLMs might feel more immediately productive, but in the long term it's diluting the skill pool, making it harder to distinguish between deep and shallow knowledge, and allowing (the idea of) merit-based priority to land upon those who don't deserve it more often than it already does (not that I believe our society is largely merit-based anyways).

    Sure, the knowledgable can get a lot more done in less time, but the unknowledgable can more easily pretend to be knowledgable, and that technical debt will accumulate heavily over time.

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