Their crime: handing out copies of an editorial, published in the journal Diabetes Care on April 29, sharply criticizing the Trump administration’s ongoing attacks on scientific research

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[–] 84 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Some questioned how handing out reprints of an editorial published in the ADA’s own journal, at the ADA’s own annual conference, could be construed as a violation of that code. The scientists were not disruptive or disorderly in their conduct, based on the videos posted by MedPage Today, although the fact that they were handing out reprints just before an NIH representative was scheduled to speak might be construed as a form of protest. But it could just as easily be argued that such actions fall under valid scientific dissemination and discussion, the conference’s stated objective.

This doesn't make the ADA look good. I don't know enough about them to understand their reasoning though.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    All you need to know is that if something is called the American [doctor stuff] Association it means that it’s an out-in-the-open cartel that exists to limit the supply of and increase the profit margins of whatever the word in the middle of their name is.

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago

    As someone who's 42 and has been a type 1 diabetic since I was 9. Fuck the ADA. When I was diagnosed my parents donated a lot to them. Then they both lost their jobs and insurance when I was 12, they asked the ADA for help with supplies like test strips and such, they didn't even reply.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    I don’t know enough about them to understand their reasoning though.

    Spoiler: Guaranteed they're a bunch of ultra privileged, ultra worthless "scientists" (mostly bros) who would rather support fascism than risk the slightest threat to their comfort. That's just capitalism everywhere.

    Do these people actually give a shit about fascism? Nope.

    https://mma.prnewswire.com/media/2600121/BOD_ADA_2025.jpg?w=800

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    More like they are censoring to protect funding. Still cunts for doing so, that funding will die with this administration first chance it gets, all funding of anything good will.

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    [–] 30 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I hope when trump is gone these leaders who have cowered down to him are ejected... In to space.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    I’m keeping my own shit list, because I anticipate a lot of hand wringing and ghost-written sob stories from leaders and elites describing their inner turmoil and why they had no choice but to kiss the ring in this era of open fascism in the US.

    And I’ve already committed to hear them out and be even-handed. Some of our most inspirational stories are of covert resistance and sabotage by elites in fascist regimes risking it all. But I suspect most are simply cowards at best and collaborative ghouls at worst.

    Either way, taking their public actions at face value is the correct choice for the time being.

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Wow the headline completely misses the point. They weren't ejected for distributing a journal. They were ejected for criticizing the pedo prez.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    It's amazing how fascism spreads into all facets of society.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Pissing off Elsevier and being political? They must be tenured.

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  • [+] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)
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    [–] 131 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Headline buried the lede:

    Police escort Dr. Steven Kahn out of a medical conference in New Orleans for handling out copies of an editorial critical of the Trump administration

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  • [–] 65 points 5 months ago

    "Trump administration’s ongoing attacks on scientific research" is the rest of the quote ur missing here that I feel adds context. I feel like it's fair to call out Trump for attacking the scientific community at a scientific conference, which his goons then gave him the boot for being critical of the regime. What times we live in...

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  • [–] 52 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Fuck me. And people wonder why I have headaches all the time.

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  • [+] -22 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Maybe you should stop inviting people to do the nasty to you?

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  • [–] 40 points 5 months ago*

    Five leading scientists were ousted from the annual meeting of the American Diabetes Association (ADA) in New Orleans on Friday. Their crime: handing out copies of an editorial, published in the journal Diabetes Care on April 29, sharply criticizing the Trump administration’s ongoing attacks on scientific research.

    The ADA confirmed to MedPage Today that five registered scientists had been removed from the meeting, claiming the scientists had violated the organization’s code of conduct for conferences. “These attendees were escorted out by our onsite event security because they demonstrated behavior not consistent with this code of conduct,” the ADA media team said in a statement. “They were respectfully given the opportunity to cease this behavior and chose not to which is why they were escorted out.”

    “All attendees will conduct themselves in a professional and respectful manner, free from any form of discrimination, harassment, or intimidation,” the code of conduct states. “Inappropriate conduct, including but not limited to harassment; threatening or unwelcome physical or verbal actions; or disorderly or disruptive conduct such as protesting, will not be tolerated.”

    Sounds like they are interpreting the rules in an unnatural way and saying that handing out articles is "protesting" simply because they are political. Are the event organizers "obeying in advance"? That is difficult to believe, since it is not a huge event.

    As it sounds like these people continued to hand out the articles after being asked to stop, I suspect it is more likely that the organizers are simply MAGA, and we know that MAGA will do anything and break any rules themselves to silence dissent.

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  • [–] 33 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    If they all started cancelling their ADA memberships, the association would immediately back down.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    No, it’s a cartel. You don’t get to just not participate in a cartel. If you split off, you will be attacked and defamed until you submit or perish.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago

    Gutenberg’s Revolution continues

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    “All attendees will conduct themselves in a professional and respectful manner, free from any form of discrimination, harassment, or intimidation,”

    I guess Trump adminstration did not get this memo

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    Shouldn't all the diabetic MAGAs be seeing a Christian chiropractor and knocking back ivermectin for that there dyubeetuz? Science is communism!!1!11!!1

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  • [+] -22 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Like it or not, they did violate their code of conduct.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Ahh, the decorum argument, used often by fascists.

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago

    Hmmm. NO.

    It's often used by people that would like to keep order in their meetings.

    I have no doubt that the guy was 💯 % right in his position and paper. I also have no doubt that the board has a 💯 % interest in keeping their meeting on topic. He is more than welcome to bring the topic up during an open topic discussion and/or to pass his info out, outside of the confines of the building that the group rented.

    If I (Barney Rubble) want to call a meeting of the Water Buffalos and Joe Dirt wants to pass out his literature about how over-fishing is killing the buffalo industry, we, the Water Buffalo board (Fred Flintstone, Barney Rubble and Pebbles) have every right to ask you to stop. If you don't stop, we have every right to have you removed.

    That's not fascism, that's order. You're more than welcome to call your own meeting of the over-fisher's complaint group on your own dime.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    Distributing Political and Critical Material: The attendees were handing out copies of an editorial article previously published in the American Diabetes Association's own journal. The text criticized the current government administration for drastically cutting scientific and research funding.Protesting Near Scheduled Speakers: The leafleting took place right before the Director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) was scheduled to speak at the conference.Breaching the Attendee Guidelines: The ADA strictly prohibits unapproved leafleting, demonstrations, or political protesting under its Attendee Code of Conduct. The policy states that all participants must act in a professional and respectful manner, keeping the conference "centered on advancing diabetes science".

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    [–] 23 points 5 months ago

    Ejected for “disruptive conduct” - Perhaps disruption is the only ethical action. It baffles me how doctors can support this preposterous MAHA agenda. Aren’t they supposed to do no harm?

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    [–] 20 points 5 months ago

    You can’t science here! This is a science conference!

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    Man, I hope those who ousted them suffer serious blowback via the Streisand Effect.

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    [–] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    IIRC there's a not insignificant number of researchers who upload their own stuff on places like SciHub, which could literally get them sued if it gets traced to them because they don't have rights to their own damn science that they themselves did. Anyone closer to the science publication scene can verify or debunk this?

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