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[–] 130 points 5 months ago (3 children)

this is how stupid, self centered, petty, controlling, and anti-consumer, anti-fan Nintendo is.

They'd rather incur the costs of running two assemblies side by side, than simply give everyone access to a means of easily repair their switch.

They'd rather spend tons of extra money, than do anything beneficial for someone they arent forced by law to give it to.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    This is far from a Nintendo exclusive problem.

    It is the way entire industries are going (and have been going for decades).

    It's only strong consumer protection laws that stand in their way.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    They’d rather incur the costs of running two assemblies side by side, than simply give everyone access to a means of easily repair their switch.

    I guarantee you they've made the calculation and found that the cost is well offset by the profits gained from the inability of other markets to repair their owned switches.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago*

    Yes. And it's extra dumb, because Nintendo is already the only ones not selling the console at close to cost in order to move more games.

    In hindsight, the breaking joycons look less like an accident and more like a plan.

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  • [–] 350 points 5 months ago (24 children)

    Maintaining two product lines simply out of spite really is just such a Nintendo thing to do.

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  • [–] 64 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Seriously, just do the right thing. Goddamn

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  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The right thing costs 1% more can't waste that

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    It's probably cheaper to do the right thing. It'd allow them to have a single product line, rather than two. However, it'd mean they can't screw over customers and sell them replacements, so it'd cost them in additional sales.

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  • [–] 124 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (9 children)

    I have never and will never pay for a Nintendo product because of shit like this. Doesn't mean you can't play Nintendo games though 🏴‍☠️

    Fuck Nintendo.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    yep.

    I've not given Nintendo money for a long ass time, because of their idiotic insistence on choosing the most selfish, customer hating path at every fork in the road they come to.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Likewise, Nintendo has now joined Sony for me in my Never Another Red Cent category. I've got an entire bookcase full of Nintendo games and systems ranging from the NES all the way up to the OG Switch but it ends there. It's guaranteed that they will never shape up, so I'll never give them any more money.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Sony was so close to me diving head first into their PC gaming ecosystem, cause there were a lot of games i really wanted to get into, when they pulled the "HAHA SURPRISE, ALL THOSE GAMES YOU'VE ALREADY BOUGHT AND PLAYED? NOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PLAYSTATION ACCOUNT FOR THEM BECAUSE WE SAID SO!" and basically guaranteed I'll never own another playstation product for the rest of my life.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    For me it was the music CD rootkit thing, and trying to sue people for watching a particular Youtube video. Sony has already been on my no fly list for a very long time.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I forgot about the rootkit thing.

    And wait, what? suing over watching a youtube video? I never heard about this

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    When Sony was suing George Hotz over his PS3 jailbreak video, they also tried to bully Youtube (or possibly Google, I forget if this was post-Google acquisition) into revealing the IPs and identities of everyone who watched the video so they could attempt to sue them for "piracy" also. Obviously they did not succeed, but the fact that they tried says a lot.

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    The midlife revision will probably just have a user-replaceable battery for all regions to simplify things.

    Then again, it’s Nintendo.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Nintendo makes the first version of all of their products deliberately mid just so the second version can be considered to be an upgrade, when everybody else would just consider the second version to be what they should have made from the beginning.

    It's like the OLED switch, why didn't they just make the first version OLED? There hasn't been a significant cost reduction in that area lately, so it's not as if it's suddenly cheaper to put one in.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Making a stock version followed by a premium version isn't that odd. There are plenty of things Nintendo does with their systems that I generally agree with you on, but OLED vs LCD is not it.

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    It's the Apple approach: Implement consumer-friendly policies only in regions that require it by law. Apple mostly do it with software though, for example only allowing third-party app stores in EU and Japan.

    Plenty of US companies do something similar with subscriptions too. California mandates that any subscription you create online must also be cancellable online, and so some companies (like New York Times, SiriusXM, gyms) only show their simple online cancelation flow to Californians. Everyone else must jump through hoops like use live chat, call them, cancel in person, etc.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago*

    Apple mostly do it with software though, for example only allowing third-party app stores in EU and Japan.

    While that’s not great, at least Apple’s software can be changed later. How do you retroactively add a battery to a console?

    When Apple was forced by the EU to use USB-C, they didn’t make a non-US and a US phone; everyone got the same port.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Being anti consumer is more profitable than making 2 product lines. Remember if you live in other countries not in EU you are inferior because Nintendo just told you so.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Well, Sega did the same with the Megadrive and the various shapes of the cartridges to prevent you from playing games that came from another country (but yes, Nintendo did the same with the Super Nintendo).

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Nintendo did that first. Not just with the Super Nintendo, but the original NES vs. the Famicom.

    There was kinda-sorta a justifiable reason for that in the sense that different countries at that time had different television standards with frame rates and vertical line counts which the systems of the era were inherently tied to, and sticking an NTSC game in a PAL system or vise-versa even if it fit and would play would not produce an optimal result. (Sometimes it still didn't — ask people about the Street Fighter games in PAL regions, for instance.)

    Now that the world is all on the same digital TV standards, region locking can be done in software.

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  • [–] 57 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Turns out companies would rather reverse planned obsolescence than lose access to an entire geographic market. I wonder what else we could get these capitalist fascists to do if we united and forced them into a corner?

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago

    It’s not user replaceable but it’s not actually that hard to replace it, so this basically just takes work away from all those little repair shops. Still good for customers but probably not much of a difference for Nintendo.

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  • [–] 44 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    How long do you think it'll take before Nintendo adds a software check so you can't have the European version outside of Europe beyond short term travel?

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Apple did this exact thing on iPhone and 3rd party stores so I would be surprised if this wasn't already baked into the firmware on the Switch.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    I was on holiday on Greece when they dropped the iOS update that opened up third party app stores, so installed it over shitty wifi to see what I could install.

    Nope, my account is British, so no go.

    Fuckers.

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  • [+] 71 points 5 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 67 points 5 months ago

    Ah, man. All the US got was a price increase! But, to be fair... Art of the Deal... /s

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  • [–] 126 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    For everyone who thought eu legislation would force corporations make better stuff globally, that's how much they care about you.

    And people still buying from nintendo is really disappointing

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  • [–] 35 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    It does it's just Nintendo going out of their way to be awkward even to their own detriment.

    Look at Apple, everyone gets USB-C iPhones now they could have made a USB-C version for the European market and a mag-safe port for other markets but that would have meant two different power boards and different body designs but each market which wasn't worth it. Nintendo however have decided to actually put the cost into making two different body moulds and two different circuit boards one for non-replaceable batteries and one for replaceable batteries.

    Nintendo have been anti-consumer for a long time but I'm surprised that they're willing to waste money on it.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago*

    I think this is giving Apple too much credit, they played the largest role in the development of USB-C’s design. Started putting it on their MacBooks and IPads pretty early. They were more likely just trying to avoid another bad press cycle like when they switched to lightning. As we can see with the App Store and browsers they absolutely will be anti-consumer when they don’t think their is any real risk to them.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    I mean the main point right now is to make stuff better for ourselves but there are examples of others benefitting from our legislation like the case of usb-c. Individual governments also help, like germany spending money on linux development and adopting it on government system in certain states.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    It's only making it more expensive for themselves. They want to have two production lines for two separate models... Well that effects their profit margin.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    See, it's worth so much to screw over consumers

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago*

    Is it though or is this just them being spiteful?

    How often do the batteries in the non-user replaceable version fail, they can't have the failure rate be too high or else word would get around. So they're doing this against the cost of some theoretical future benefit may very well not come to pass. I suspect this decision hasn't been properly costed out.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    It's quite obviously cheaper to not make it replaceable, otherwise they would do it globally. Companies are not that spiteful when it comes to money. The battery is probably already theoretically replaceable by repair shops with special tool or whatever, there was just an opening in the hull missing. So it's likely just one or two pieces that have to be manufactured differently, the rest can stay the same.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    The other two markets are too big to include and not profit from the resulting issues.
    You juat have to make it unprofitable enough for two models to coexist to make them just fold and only make one.

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    [–] 58 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Nintendo really dropping the ball at every opportunity. Life long Nintendo fan here and I'll never buy anything from them ever again.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    I love Nintendo. I've bought every single one of their consoles. I am skipping the Switch 2 though.

    I feel like giving someone a Switch 2 is a bit like a white elephant. I can't say that I'm a fan of what's happening lately. It's a shame because the industry is where it is because of them. It's a shame they can't treat their customers a little better.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Last Nintendo console I’ll ever buy is a used New Nintendo 3DS XL which I’ve modded with Homebrew and all that and loaded with emulators with tons of ROMs. It’s a fantastic piracy machine that runs NES, SNES, SMS, GEN/SMD, N64, PSX, GB, GBC, GBA, DS, DSi, and 3DS games!

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    A used n3ds xl costs close to a switch 2 these days lol

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Damn! I guess the word got out and collectors have taken over!

    If you don’t need to play DS/3DS games, the Chinese systems are very popular. These devices are much cheaper than used Nintendo kit. Some of them are much more powerful, with better screens and battery life. There’s a whole scene dedicated to developing custom OSes with really nice emulator frontends for them!

    I recommend TechDweeb on YouTube if you want to learn more about the scene. If I had to start over again today I’d get a Knulli-based device. I may still get one at some point.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (13 children)

    Good, if only they could ever drop prices I would maybe even buy one

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    The incentive to buy one comes from the expectation it‘ll be even more expensive this time next year. Not sure it‘s working, though.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Well if they had some games I was actually all that interested in it might be a compelling product. All it got is a Mario Kart game which looks ok but not enough for me to buy a console for it and another Zelda game.

    The big problem is that there isn't a reason for me to buy a switch 2 over the original switch, and there isn't a lot of reason me to buy a switch over a steam deck or another handheld. They've entered into a pretty saturated market with a niche product. Every other handheld can play wider selection of games.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

    They don't need to drop prices though - they sell plenty of them at the current prices.

    Also, all consumer electronics are going up in price due to the component (RAM, GPU, SSD) shortages, which are happening because the majority of new stock is being sold to AI companies.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago* (2 children)
    • They don't need to drop the price there are plenty of sales available

    • Everything is going up in price because of AI anyway

    So which one is it?

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    [–] 37 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    I used to be loyal to Nintendo

    No idea why anyone still supports them after the joycons were never really fixed on switch 1

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    The joycons are egregiously priced. Doing any sort of fix on them is a massive pain in the arse. I hadn't used my Switch in a while, it was packed away in its (official) carrying case, inside a box that's kept in a decent environment. The joysticks had melted.

    I bought replacement joysticks, with hall effect sensors, for €15. Two batteries for €10. Pain in the arse to replace, but it's possible. The new joysticks even have exchangeable caps so if they melt again for some reason, you can just pop them off.

    Nintendo intentionally designs things to be shit, so you can buy new joycons at insane prices. It's why they also offer them in limited collections and whatnot.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Honestly this only really started this with the Switch. Every Nintendo controller besides the N64’s have been pretty damn reliable and robustly built well. I never broke a Wiimote when I would drop them from time to time because of the motion controls.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    If I ever broke the main controller on my Wii U (which Nintendo shut off online services for now) you needed to buy an entire new console

    Another factor though was that I don't need to play yet another Mario sequel. As a character, he's actually not that interesting (and a bit of a cuck if we're being honest)

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    I'd also fuck Bowser rather than Mario so I get Peach.

    I only got the Switch because I was anticipating SMT:V, it getting an update and PC release a few years later came rather unexpected to me. Not really interested in ever buying a Nintendo console again.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    The only good things I have to say about the joycons are that they enable you to play a few 2 player games with only the base set (tablet + 2 joycons), and that I made some money shellswapping/repairing parts for people who didn't feel confident in messing with the very delicate ribbon cables.

    Other than that, they are uncomfortable, fragile, and prone to all sorts of failures. Thw inclusion of HD rumble was a waste of money, as well as the unused infrared sensor.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    The IR sensor is used in Ring Fit Adventure, heart rate measurement. That's about all I can think of.

    Honestly, for the price of one set of joycons I'd rather pick up two 8bit do ultimate controllers. That way both players get good controllers.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I think 1-2-Switch and Labo use it as well, but ultimately the IR sensors are basically unused.

    I wonder how much it cost them to include it in every set of joycons, compared to how much they made selling games that use it.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Most of my DnD table is a die hard Nintendo Fan. They shit on palworld saying its copying pokemon, they buy every console and pokemon game, it's kinda crazy to see. I feel like it's half nostalgia and half some sort of parasocial relationship where they see Nintendo as a friend.

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  • [–] 37 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Such a dick move keeping it EU only, and also not surprising... Nintendo is hostile towards its fanbase and always has been.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    How to motivate right to repair advocacy in other regions in one easy step....

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    It's because Nintendo executives don't really understand the Western world.

    Apparently Nintendo of Europe and Nintendo of America are constantly at loggerheads with Nintendo of Japan over their various brain dead, ultimately self-defeating, schemes.

    For starters I cannot imagine that having two product lines with minor differences can be economically viable, and secondly what's the point in pissing your customer base off? There is zero logic behind this decision.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    We need a right to repair...

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  • [–] 53 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I love that the overwhelming response to this is getting mad at Nintendo for complying with EU law instead of getting mad at the US Government for lagging severely behind on consumer rights. Small wonder things aren't getting better.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    EU be like: Feels good to be a gangsta.

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I was considering buying a switch 2 for a couple of the exclusives, despite my prior beliefs, but this confirms that I shouldn't have even considered it

    fuck you Nintendo, stop disrespecting me as a customer

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