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[–] 38 points 5 months ago (1 child)

Linux's only objective is to get better.

Any commercial OS has the sole objective to make money for its owner.

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    [–] 38 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    Pros :

    • Reliable, I have nothing to fix and no unusual behaviors or settings on Cachyos. If I set something up the setting won't change on its own.
    • Private, no telemetry. No NVIDIA service sending all the apps I launch to HQ.
    • No forced software. I can choose to remove most components I dont like and replace them.
    • Gaming works as well or better than Windows once its setup.
    • I can revert to a previous image of my system right at boot. Very reassuring to know it's easy to revert to a previous state/version of my system.
    • More lightweight system, I use way less RAM on idle than on Windows. That's more RAM to use for actual useful stuff like gaming.
    • it's free. Doesn't require an account to use.
    • it's secure. Much less risk running a linux system than windows. You are a harder target and also a less attractive one for hackers.

    Cons :

    • I can't play games with kernel level anticheats.
    • I sometimes have to spend 10mn when installing a new game to set it up on proton.
    • You are still expected by most people to handle their proprietary files coming from Microslop. You have to be able to sign PDF files and return office files.
    • HDR support is not really good for games and it often is difficult to have working.

    Overall, having switched 4 months ago, I have no regrets and honestly it was a great upgrade for me. Beside the money lost on a game like BF6 I'm very happy to be on linux.

    I was really annoyed by my W10 setup anyway. I constantly had settings that would change on their own. I often had bad days where you feel the system struggling even though nothing changed. It was very frustrating. Linux solved that. I dont have bad days on my system. It runs exactly as I left it when it was shutdown. And this expected stability is very comfortable for users.

    Highly recommend the switch to cachyos for all Windows gamers. And even for non-gamers it's a very functional and reliable operating system.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Is cachyos much better than garuda? I've been on garuda for a few years now and dont know much about cachyos other than its another arch based distro.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I never tried Garuda so I can't help with the comparison.

    Is Garuda debian based ?

    Cachyos is the first time I touched an Arch based distro and I was very impressed by how stable and "fresh" it feels. I guess Arch deserves its good reputation.

    I have been updating my cachyos like two times each week which is a quite high update rate and the only problem I had was this :

    Steam stored his cache by default on my home partition and filled the disk completely. I then updated with pacman without noticing I had no space left and the process failed. The system wouldn't boot which was scary. I took a bit of time to think about it and remembered that I can revert the system with BTRFS snapshot. So I checked the cachyos wiki on how to revert and in 2mn i was back to the exact state before my failed update. It broke once because of Steam and the system was very easy to fix.

    A beginners could learn to use snapshots easily in the GUI for it and I think would succeed in restoring the system. Would the same be true if a Windows didn't boot ? Honestly I don't think so.

    I even was able to setup in the GUI for how many snapshots I want to keep so i constantly have around 30 snaps ready to recover my system up to a month and a half ago.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Garuda is another easy arch like endeavor/cachy. I believe they even both provide kernel images with the cachy patches. But they aren't the default. The really big negative with garuda is their default theme choice and setup. Endeavor/Cachy provide a much more vanilla setup out of the box. Making them a bit less problematic over all.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    No gaming distro outperforms any other distro by any measurable means a user would notice.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago

    Actually depending on tasks it can be up to a 25℅ boost. Though in gaming tasks it tends to be a 2 to 5% boost. Which while more moderate can still be felt. Where catchy excels is it's CPU optimization. So if you're CPU bottlenecked it can make a big difference. That said garuda and endeavor both give you the option of installing a cachy patched kernel.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Less mentioned downside - digital rights management is significantly degraded in linux. Most commercial streaming apps/sites will work but but only at SD or 720p.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    hdr really doesnt work on most desktop enviroments. have you tried using gamescope though? you can just install gamescope-session-cachyos that will make it so you can select it from the login manager. gamescope automatically does sdr to hdr conversion which looks really good in most games. what still doesnt really work (for me at least) is games that output native hdr. they look very washed out and way too bright. but imo sdr to hdr, which gets way brighter, is still a win

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I tried doing manually a gamescope command line arguments for Overwatch and it didn't work.

    I activated the necessary flags and took close attention to the resolution in game and of my display, made sur the game had HDR enabled etc and it never worked.

    So if I can't get HDR to work even with gamescope on a stable game like OW...

    But your tip to setup gamescope for the session is interesting. I might try that out sometimes.

    But honestly HDR is quite anecdotal for me. It's not that visible. I much prefer to focus on optimizing FPS and input delay than tweaking for HDR.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I switched to Catchy from Manjaro a few months ago, no regrets. Been using Linux for +10 years and it's the best distro so far.

    I'm not a gamer but installed steam and lutris since it's so easy to do and it was seamless, works out the box.

    But for me as a developer the real gain was their AMD support. I can confirm that my laptop is genuinely faster now. If you have have AMD processor, just look up CatchyOs enhancements.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago

    Linux is how home computing was supposed to be.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago

    Pro: You own your computer.

    Con: You own your computer (and you have to work on maintaining it).

    I'm mostly joking. Generally if you have a problem with Linux, you can get help on it. The myth that there are more Windows users, so therefore it's easier to get help with Windows is problematic for a few reasons. One, the number of Windows users who are actually passionate about it are comparable to the number of passionate Linux users, or Mac users. I'm not sure which one leads the others in power users who are happy to help, but I feel like it's Linux. Nobody has Linux because of the computer they bought (or, almost nobody). Windows and Mac have a lot of users who just use the computer they bought with the software that came with it. Virtually no one has Linux who didn't choose it, and they chose it for reason that are important to them, and it's in their best interests to help you learn it, too.

    The other myth is the command line. Windows, Mac, and Linux all have a command line/terminal. It's not needed on any of them, but on all of them, there are a couple things you can do that are not easy to do in the GUI.

    Honestly if you have Windows, get a live distro and run it. You can run it inside Windows. The performance won't be the same as running it on bare metal, but you can see how it handles your hardware. For most distros you shouldn't have a problem.

    (Disclosure: I'm a happy Mac user. I've used Linux off and on (mostly off though) for over 20 years. My favourites have been Red Hat (when it was a home OS; it's called Fedora now) and Ubuntu. I prefer the GNOME interface. I'm comfortable with the command line. I understand that macOS is UNIX, and I also understand that it's not and why it's not.)

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    A pro is that is not Windows 11

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago*

    Windows has better accessability features than linux does. Itsn ot talked about much but ive been in meetings with people with disabilities, survivors of accidents, etc... and Windows is the only real option. If you are blind there are standard programs that they use.

    Its the one area i think linux could use real work. A couple of places ive put in pull requests to help out from time to time.

    Otherwise linux is generally better ;)

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    No enshittification. You can trust it to get better in the long run.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    Pros:

    • I never have to worry that my OS is working for someone else by design.
    • Never surprised by ads.
    • Never surprised by updates that move/remove something in the UI.
    • Never have to be worried about some new feature that windows is forcing everyone to use that accesses all my data and might go rogue and delete it all or upload it somewhere.
    • BTRFS feels decades ahead of NTFS
    • package manager makes it easy to try new programs
    • I can try multiple desktop environments
    • I can write scripts to customize my experience

    Cons:

    • Occasionally there is a program that only officially supports windows and I have to figure out how to get it working in proton or a VM. This happens much less now than 10y ago.
    • A game might say it works on Linux, but I hit some issue that my friends on windows aren't hitting, and have to determine if I'm just unlucky or if it's something to do with proton/Linux.
    • there are still some remaining kinks being ironed out with the x11 to Wayland migration.
    • sometimes there's a bug in a package and I have to downgrade it. But that's not really even an option in windows.

    All in all, there is nothing from windows I would say I "miss". And it feels refreshing to know I'm out of the line of fire of msft.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    My favorite pro is league of legends support.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    That doesn't sound like a pro to me.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    Just pros, no one cons! Freedom is most important for me.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    I don't miss a single thing from Windows

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    Pros - My hardware is mine. If I don't like something that shipped with Debian or Mint, I can just remove it. If I'm on Mint but miss something from Debian, there's usually a one line command that will add it back.

    Also, most versions of Desktop Linux are free. I don't mind paying for software, but keeping track of Windows license keys was a pain in the ass.

    Cons - I mean, it's still a computer. Computers are dumb. Installing it - while way simpler than a Windows upgrade, still took me a few minutes of clicking "next".

    I intend for my next computer to ship with Linux Mint pre-installed, because I'm that lazy.

    What do I miss from Windows?

    Nothing.

    I used to dual boot Windows for gaming, but now there's only 5 games in my Steam Library that don't run on Linux.

    Five.

    I gave up five games, to kick Windows out of my life.

    I would tell you which ones, but I haven't actually run across which ones. I only know it's five because I can subtract the numbers before anand after I click the "only show me Linux compatible games" filter button.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    I only know it's five because I can subtract the numbers before anand after I click the "only show me Linux compatible games" filter button.

    Just a heads up, to add on to this, just because Steam has a game listed as "unknown" or "unsupported" doesn't actually necessarily mean that you can't get it to work. So it might actually be less than 5.

    For example, Steam says that the Dark Souls: Prepare to Die edition is "unsupported," but I got it working, including DSFix, just fine (and very easily).

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I can't think of a single thing I miss. I use Windows for work and it's a relief every evening when I can switch to my Linux desktop.

    Linux Cons:

    • there is always some minor thing that doesn't work quite right, or it takes a lot of searching to find a fix. However this is true on Windows too
    • on a fast moving distro things can randomly break here and there, but usually are fixed fast
    • some games and apps won't work. Usually when they're trying to do something invasive. Be prepared to find an alternative (or dual boot)
    • some hardware doesn't work because the vendor doesn't provide drivers and no open source version exists. If they are actively blocking foss versions, they're a good candidate for the never buy list
    • no Copilot (/s)
    • if you want things to "just work" and you don't care about personalizing anything and you don't care about your privacy, you may happier on Windows or Mac because you can just take it to a shop and have them fix it. There are just more resources for an OS that commands 80% of the desktop market

    Linux Pros:

    • my computer is mine and I can control everything
    • I can customize things much more than on Windows
    • I can upgrade when I'm ready and opt out of any shenanigans
    • Everything I care about works. I switched to open source for photo editing. There was a learning curve, though
    • software development, even with Microsoft tools (!), is just much nicer on Linux. You don't need WSL when it's already your OS

    Workarounds:

    • I choose to not buy unsupported hardware
    • I choose to not buy unsupported software and games
    • I put vendors hostile to freedom on my never buy list (e.g. Adobe)
    • I have access to a Windows PC if I need it. But I have not needed it in the last year or so I've been full time on Linux

    Not saying going full time Linux was necessarily easy (I gave up Adobe Lightroom and I can't play some AAA games) but I have no regrets. It was actually easier than I had feared.

    It's like diet and exercise: it's not easy to change but you'll feel a lot better in the end.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I use Windows for work and it’s a relief every evening when I can switch to my Linux desktop.

    I can relate to that. Its always like I will do mundane crap in a haphazard and poor workflow way for money dealing with windows.

    Then I use Linux and realize I actually like computers and can be productive.

    Working remote has been great though. I do all my windows work via remote desktop in Linux. Somehow that helps a bit.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    Pros: it doesn't do anything you don't make it do.

    Cons: it doesn't do anything you don't make it do.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Unlike windows or mac with their expensive licenses , once installed, Linux is yours

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

    You can just pirate windoes very easily, easier than typing in your credit card number.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    As someone who uses Windows for work and Linux for pleasure: one of the cons of Linux is the lack of integrated ubiquitous file sharing via SMB and UNC paths. Being able to “cd \\server\c$” and expect that to work with 99% of programs made in the last two decades, is pretty great.

    “Hardcode a few pre-selected paths and their credentials in /etc/fstab” just doesn’t cut it. Neither does autofs.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    I use windows at work, I have local admin which removed a lot of friction for a more technical user.

    But the difference between my home machines (18 years Linux) and my work machine is friction. Windows makes things hard, it is always a few extra clicks or a stupid reg key change.

    E.g. recently wanted my full right click menu back on win11, no nice setting option. Go edit this unnamed registry key, it seemed so janky in a modern os.

    I'm a long time Mint user, jumped around a fair few distros but mint works well for me. It is so polished compared to windows, it seems crazy it is the free one.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    Tips:

    • You will, at some point, fuck something up. Resist the urge to type in whatever console command comes from a Stack Overflow problem that's similar, though not exact, to your issue.
    • Keep a log of changes you make so you can identify what change may have made things worse or not done what you wanted.
    • Have a data backup off the machine of anything you can't bare to lose. Keep it for at least a year in case you lose the original data.
    • Be patient with yourself and expect to feel like a noob at computers again.
    • Don't try to make your DE like Windows, embrace the changes and discover better or new ways to set up your desktop.
    • Again, be patient and take your time. It's like riding a bike for the first time.
    • Ask Linux communities for help if you have a good, positive source of helpful individuals.
    • Have fun!
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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    I think the only thing anyone ever misses is the driver and software support. Love wine but some programs will never have full capabilities.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    Pros:

    • Trustable.
    • Free.
    • The user is in control.
    • has many UI.

    Cons:

    • Still has a bad error message style. I blame GNOME for this. If GNOME follow macOS's error message style, we won't have this problem.
    • Still has an annoying app installation way. This is why I use AppImage.

    I am sorry if my English is bad.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Nothing missing from windows. From Mac though? Being able to text from your Mac, easily airdrop, easier network shares, support for Lightroom, fusion 360, most cad and photo software really.

    But it’s an immediate replacement for windows. Zero reason not to switch. Even if you love games that don’t work on Linux, you should switch just to force those makers to support Linux

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    Being as this is a Linux community, there's definitely going to be more insight into the pros of Linux from responses here. My professional background is as a systems engineer in Windows from xp, vista, 7, 8, 10, 11 and windows servers 2003-present as well as centOS, RHEL, Ubuntu, Debian, and Kali Linux. I've also supported Mac OS X and OS X (currently macOS) server in a more limited capacity and have used laptops of all 3 operating systems.

    Windows benefits: I'd say Windows still holds the crown for corporate use. I know this probably isn't what most care about but integration with intune (microsoft mobile device management) and security features such as bitlocker, tpm integrations, FIDO2 passkey support, and directory managed (Entra ID) policies and controls are much stronger under Windows. Windows generally does a good job with backwards compatibility and gaming.

    Linux benefits: free as in beer (usually) and FOSS is pretty huge. For the average user its entirely serviceable for web browsing etc. With recent advancements in Proton id say 95+% of gaming requirements are met. More control and much less bloat. You're much more in control of your system but it requires a level of technical proficiency to leverage that control. It's not spying on you. Personally I like Linux permissions system over Windows too for file administration, etc. They tend to have their package management systems be more established too.

    Mac benefits: some people enjoy a walled garden. Turn your brain off and go all in on apple products and services. Terrifying to many here but that's a benefit to some. Because everything is so tightly integrated I notice things tend to break less frequently. Great for the technically illiterate and performance is still really good for those who do need video editing, etc. It's surprisingly good for power users too with the BSD underpinning. Better privacy than windows imo.

    What I miss? When using Linux and mac i miss the windows familiarity since it was my first OS. But IMO vanilla Debian is a very enjoyable daily driver. I just occasionally break something that takes me an hour to fix. When using windows I get frustrated by how it hamstrings everything and tries to half ass some features (looking at you settings app). Search breaks all the time. More hanging. Performance dips that make no sense. Windows is easily the least stable in my experience. When using macs I feel the end user experience is quite fun. Snappy. More intuitive. But sometimes I want to do something advanced and itll get in its way reminding me that im a power user and it was seemingly not built with that in mind. A bit too glossy, if that makes sense.

    Sorry for the messy formatting. Sending from my phone.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Its so funny that windows enables work places to use their resources so poorly. All those security measures and policies simply to be able to waste compute by putting desktops in front of people. When instead it should all be thin client or bring your own device and server side applications.

    But here we are.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    My main gripe with linux is still game and other software support.

    Other than that everything I can think of is so much better than windows for me.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    90% of games run on Linux. If you are talking about League and Roblox u are better off not being able to run them. It saves your soul lol.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    My experience with older Windows games, as well, has been that they just work with Proton (often when people trying to run it on Windows need to download an obscure dll from a stranger's google drive just to get it to launch).

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I'm kinda annoyed by people who just put down my personal opinion about the state of gaming on Linux or anything by using their own experience.

    I agree most of my games run fine on Linux, but I would like to try out valorant but it doesn't work. The force feedback for the steering wheel I use with beamng requires a lot of extra setup which I haven't gotten around to (on windows it just works). I don't play many games but these are just some of my experiences.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Pros:

    • Easy to manage firewall rules (UFW)
    • Different distros based on need
    • in conjunction with the above, it's also easier to customize the os (I would say this is depending on the distro) to do exactly what you need and nothing else.
    • Terminal usage to handle certain tasks can be much quicker than using the GUI under some circumstances.
    • Choice of DE (KDE, Gnome, etc)
    • Way less resource intensive with a stock build than a generic windows build (sans maybe an enterprise build but even then those still use more resources on average than most distros).

    Cons:

    • Distro hopping for new users can be confusing due to different package managers and just overall differences in them. Pick one and stick with it for a little bit to get a feel for how Linux works (unless it is just absolutely not your thing) so you aren't getting confused/overwhelmed by how different they can be.
    • Certain tasks can be a bit more complicated for new users (mounting drives on boot, file shares over network)
    • Solidworks. I know there is freecad and blender and openscad and onshape, and they do work. But swapping over is painful. Onshape is super similar and browser based but you're also limited by their terms for free use.
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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Pros: Freedom

    Cons: Needs to be creative to use favorite apps which don’t have Linux version.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Pro: It just works and does what its told. Cons: I am concerned that long term viability of open source software in an AI and profit driven via job cuts world.

    Miss from windows? Absolutely nothing. It just pisses me off. I have to manage Azure, Windows Server, Deployments, and other microsoft crap. It always just sucks.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Windows? lol no.

    The only thing I miss is GarageBand on Mac. It's always been my fave DAW. I haven't found a decent substitute.

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  • If you have bleeding edge hardware then Linux driver support is usually a pain in the ass. On windows there’s one, maybe 2 Windows versions. And manufacturers typically make drivers for windows first.

    Got older hardware? It’s probably gonna work great on Linux.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Pros it's not windows.

    Cons its Linux.

    You will curse it and praise it in the same breath for the rest of your life.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago*

    Pros: You have the freedom to do almost anything on it

    Cons: ...including fucking everything up

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago*

    For me the Cons are:

    • No support to enable Full-Disk Encryption after the System install: This is something baked into Windows Bitlocker. You might say "But you can set it up during installation by just checking th checkbox!". Yes, you are right. But why can't I check this checkbox after installation? I know why a lot of people will say "this is not necessary or possible". In the end the only real reason is "nobody bothered implementing this propperly yet". But that's the problem.
    • Secure Boot support is still rough arround the edges: I don't know if LVFS is now able to update the keys for booting shim. But this would help improve the situation. Users should not be bothered with "checking this on their own". Nobody is talking about "Will my Windows machine be able to boot after this?". Everyone is just expecting it to work out just fine. Which it proppably will. I would expect it to be the same on Linux.
    • Proprietary Software for managing/configuring hardware: I am looking at PC-Peripheral Manufacturers like Logitech, Corsair (Keyboards), etc. Why do I need to use your Software to change Key-Bindings? I know there is VIA/QMK. But not everyone supports it and it is very bothersome to check for everything "Will I be able to use their Software for the product I bought?". And especially fingerprint readers and IR cameras.... Why do they need to be soooo complicated....
    • No easy way to synchronize account settings between machines: Say about MacOS what you want..but switching between one machine and another is pretty easy if you are willig to use iCloud. And it is baked into a lot of applications like Safari. There doe snot exist something on Linux that has the same level of integration and is as polished as iCloud.
    • NVidia Drivers: Situation has improved. But if you want to still use and old but working Card (1060 for example) on a new Kernel it will get problematic to find the right package to install to get the correct driver. This took my a whole day on OpenSuse Tumbleweed... A lot easier on the AMD side, but they have problems too.
    • AMD Hardware acceleration: Whose idea was it to not include the VCE drivers in the open source driver? Shame on you! Why do I need to install the proprietary driver (which will replace the opensource driver) to use this? But then this proprietary driver has its own limitations. So I can't use my device to the fullest. This situation does not exist on Windows. Are you kidding me?
    • Propper systemwide logging for all Apps: Nobody system has this solved. But I would like it so much! It would be so easy when helping people to say "Go to the Logging system, hit clear, do the thing that is broken on your system and send me the logs afterwards". This could help so much if you are helping multiple people using different systems with different applications. Why no SysLog integration everywhere?

    But on the other hand why I am using Linux:

    It still best fits my needs. It does what I want when I want. I don't need to navigate through 3 Menus and multiple selection to store MY FILES on MY SYSTEM. You shall be damned OneDrive! A system update happens when I say so, and no sooner. You can download everything in the background, I am cool with that. But if you dare to restart my system during my workday...then you are part of the problem(s), not the solution!

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I think one of the main hurdles for Linux is having to break habits and do things differently, and occasionally just accepting that there are some things you can't do (like playing games that have certain anti-cheat things enabled etc.) As well as the occasional "well I could probably make this work eventually, but is it worth the effort?" kind of situation.

    There's nothing especially I miss from Windows, although I've been mostly Linux for 15+ years now so Windows is the other, weird OS to me these days lol

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Pros:

    • I have the source. I don't have to wait for fixes or features. I just do it myself and send a patch or PR upstream.
    • I can run it on just about anything, and well.
    • Sane defaults and handling of user permissions - by design
    • Modern filesystems that don't silently rot your data
    • Full control
    • No forced updates
    • No telemetry

    Cons:

    • Not a priority for pro applications
    • Not fully POSIX compliant

    I haven't used windows in almost 30 years, but.. I probably missed some games at first that DOSBox couldn't run well (yet). Not a problem any more.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child)

    not fully POSIX compliant

    that's the first time i heard about that one. in what way?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Linux has extended quite a few system calls. Not really a problem as they mostly support the POSIX ways.

    But there are a few corner cases around threading and file locks that do break on mainline Linux.

    Not too big to overcome, as there are exceptions like EulerOS that are both compliant and certified.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Pros: OS doesn't spy on you, better privacy, freedom, the OS will not tell you what you have to do. Just do whatever you want to do, change whatever you want to change.

    Cons: Maybe gaming support, this is what I see people complaining. I don't game myself, so can't say much here. After using Linux for 20+ years, I personally don't have any cons. The OS works perfectly fine for both professional and personal life.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Disclaimer: This is obviously subjective. YMMV.

    Pros:

    • It's open source.
    • It is not actively spying on me.
    • Downloading software from a package repository is so much better than grabbing the install file through your favorite internet browser.
    • The OS does what I want. And does not do anything I don't want.
    • Freedom to do whatever you want with your OS. For example, yesterday I literally swapped out my desktop environment for another. M$ doesn't offer this freedom.
    • On that note, the workflows that WMs allow are absolutely chef's kiss. Also a boon to your productivity. They look gorgeous as well.
    • I don't have to deal with criminally long updates anymore. No multiple reboots for updates either.
    • It has made me love the terminal.
    • Software development is so much better on Linux.
    • I don't know why..., but it feels like I got more time 😅. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if my mental health has also improved since I've started using Linux.

    Cons:

    • No Windows Defender. Yes I said it. Even if it hoards/saps a lot of resources. While it is a retrofit solution to combat how easy it is to get malware on M$, I can't deny how much I'd have loved something similar on Linux. ClamAV simply can't compare.
    • Some software regard Linux-users as second-class citizens. Anecdotally, Davinci Resolve worked pretty nice on Windows. On Linux, it didn't. Instead, it has brought me sorrow and agony 😭.
    • Some hardware regard Linux-users as second-class citizens. For example, the ThinkPad I bought last year has worked absolutely lovely on Linux. But my previous laptop, a HP Pavilion, had some glaring issues that got never fixed...

    what if any do you miss from windows?

    Windows Defender.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Pro: I can update when I want. Updates don't have me guessing every single time if they're going to completely override my configurations. The updates themselves aren't bug riddled AI garbage installing yet another electron app. My Linux mint uses about half the RAM a Windows 11 install used on the exact same PC and doesn't constantly thrash my SSD or spike my CPU. Every issue I've run into has just been a lack of knowledge on my part, and easily fixed by guides online. Last time I had to help someone with an issue on their Windows 11 it took more time sifting through guides trying to find where the hell they'd moved settings and failed to document something than I ever want to spend again.

    Cons: I genuinely have not found one yet personally. I'm not saying Linux is perfect, just I've had zero real issues myself.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Pros: Customization, privacy, ease of use (And yes, it's much easier to use than Windows when you are fully aware of its "ins and outs".)

    Cons: None.

    Then again, if I -REALLY- had to use Windows, I'd use it on another PC (preferably w/o internet) while leaving my "main" PC for Linux only. Scary, I know.

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    Pro: It does what I need an OS to do. Mostly, I need it to manage my hardware devices and staying out of my way.
    Con: It's a pain in the ass when it occasionally decides to stop managing my hardware devices and gets in my way.

    What do I miss from Windows: Nothing. I've been using Linux since 1997. Back then Win95 was absolute shitshow. Idk what it is now. I don't much care.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Pros:

    • Better UX for system. On Windows and Mac you're stuck with the old-style window movement desktops which suck and are chaos with lots of effort to maintain when trying to do anything productive. Even with third-party tools it's nothing like being able to have something like Niri. It's just better on the Linux world.
    • It actually meets your needs instead of making your change your needs. The customization is insane, but usually you don't even have to go very far to be happy.
    • No bloat, no forced features like AI (tho you can get your own AI stuff if you want), less privacy concerns, better tools generally

    Microsoft Windows is actually a complete piece of crap

    Unfortunately, cons of switching:

    • Have to use non-standard apps for certain things like office files or DAWs for audio production
      • Tho, these are less bad these days. In fact, some are better like I'll take Blender over Maya any day, and I use OnlyOffice even on Windows, bc why pay for the "Copilot App" (formerly MS Office) when OnlyOffice is just as good and is fully compatible?
    • Some games don't work (esp multiplayer), and sometimes for no good reason other than the devs don't like Linux users, e.g. Bungie.
      • Also far better than it used to be. Very few things I miss out on
    • MacOS clearly has the better app distribution system. A single folder with all necessary deps save a couple core libraries. Simple, effective, can still be put in a store. Instead we have an obsession with sandboxing or overcomplicated packages. AppImages were so close to being right. But nope. We can't have nice things sometimes

    I've been using Linux-only since around 2019 (having used it alongside Windows for gaming before then) when Proton finally started getting good. I'm also an engineer, artist, writer, gamer, musician, maker, and more, so I feel like I have touched a lot of the different ways in which computers are used. I've used several distros for extended periods, and my fav is Arch (tho Nix is a close second; it's just not quite ready for primetime)

    Linux is absolutely a viable alternative, but you have to know what you want from your PC. How do you want it to function? Pick that choice. It's not ice-cream flavors where all are equal and you have to decide; form follows function here. Decide what you need and then build your own system from that - bc Linux is yours. Refuse to be spoonfed slop no matter if the slop is from Microsoft or from a Linux distro. Slop is slop. Cook your own meal. It tastes better. If you don't like mushrooms, don't get mushrooms.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Pros

    I get to own my system. I get to do what I want, if something is not to my liking there's likely a way to make it work like how I want.

    Cons

    I have to own my system. If something breaks I have to fix it, if something doesn't work I need to figure it out.

    and what if any do you miss from windows?

    Expect things to work. Linux is a minority of users, any manufacturer or dev HAS to make their products work for Windows, so much so that Windows users don't even consider the possibility that something is not made for Windows.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    This is both a pro and con vs Windows, but definitely something to be aware of. There is a ton of information/documentation available. However, because of how flexible Linux is and the sheet number of distros, you may have to sift through a ton of information to find the solution relevant to your issue. This gets easier over time as you settle on the distro(s) and features you like. Filtering out irrelevant information will almost become a sixth sense.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    After working with it for a bit the only con I have at this point is my drafting program isn't supported so I run it within a virtual machine on a second monitor. It's hard to even tell it's running in a vm but it's kind of annoying. So far drafting and robust PDF editors have been the only weak area. That's not even Linux though, it's a lack of support from software vendors.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Fedora 44 Cinnamon user.

    My last "computer" was an Android tablet with a physical keyboard and trackball so I can't really answer your second question.

    As for the pros. Free, runs great on old used hardware, updates don't really bugger the system, super easy on system resources, my used computer has 8 gb of ddr4 and that is plenty for my usage.

    Con. Doesn't play all video formats. When I first switched to Fedora 42 I tried for a week to get videos to play. Every "tutorial" and forum gave the same ineffective answer. Now I just copy any video to my old Android tablet and watch them that way. Please, no advise on this, I'm happy with my solution, thanks.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Just missing codecs right? OOTB OpenSUSE is like that, but you switch repos to one that has the non free codecs etc

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    So, there is some aggravation (not really a con) in terms of package management systems.

    You have MANY options not limited to your standard repo tools like yum, pacman, apt, etc. You also have 3rd party ones like flatpak and snap. You could also throw in the AppImage format to that. Arch has the AUR on top of that which usually means you're running paru or yay. And then you have things like brew and crates which you might run into.

    Working in any of these is straightforward, the problem comes from having to manage them all independently of one another at the same time. Pacman will update standard repo, but not AUR. Paru will update standard repo and AUR, but that doesn't help with flatpak/snap. Then docker/pods/lxc are in their own little world while you get those handled.

    In the end, the more complex you build a system the more complex it is to manage, but it still is an aggravation. I'd still take it over the one-size fits all approach Microsoft has, though.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    might I recommend topgrade to you in these trying times?

    https://github.com/topgrade-rs/topgrade

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    Linux Pros - I don't even notice anymore after decades of use. I think it's great. I guess i could say that it's nice that it won't try very hard to protect you from yourself.

    Linux's Cons - CAD software still sucks which means i'm never going into a career based on design, engineering, or 3d printing. Also, I guess I could say it won't try very hard to protect you from yourself.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    3d printing is fine. It's the designing which is a PITA. On the other hand, kiCAD is thriving so that's one thing a maker doesn't need to worry about

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    True, but 3d printing get's boring real fast when a person can't design their own custom models. -I tend to forget that kiCAD even qualifies as CAD but I also never got far enough into the hobby of electrical engineering to design my own PCB's, so that's my fault for leaving it out.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Depends what you do on Windows. As someone who never really got into gaming and who loved programming it was the obvious choice.

    Windows singularly fails in some of the most basic operations you could want from an OS. It makes me so angry the way it takes so long to copy a bunch of files, for example. Or if it won't delete some files because one 'is still in use' but it won't tell me which one or which program is using it! Why? Its infuriating.

    Linux has none of these issues. And with a enough time, native ports of some of the games I used to play became available. I would never go back to Windows now.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    In my experience, the main cons are overall support from some 3rd party applications. I can't as easily access some software as I can on Windows, such as a digital certificate software that's required for my job, for example, which requires me to have Windows on a VM just to upload some files on a specific system. In this case, Wine/Bottles unfortunately does not work.

    And, for gaming, sometimes modding is not as simple as it might be on Windows, requiring some extra tinkering to make things run on a same prefix, which is generally not very intuitive.

    But the gap is definitely way narrower nowadays. Running games, without mods, is super easy with Steam or Heroic. And software support is also huge nowadays! Even Nvidia driver support is getting much better - I usually have zero issues running (stock) games on CachyOS with Proton.

    My Windows usage nowadays is very minimal. And even then, I don't really support Microsoft anymore... I don't pay for a Win11 license, I don't use Windows Office, I don't use Xbox app, and I definitely don't use OneDrive. And I also cleaned lots of telemetry and other bullshit with WinUtil.

    And regarding the pros: Full control over my device (never again locked by the system to access a path even with admin rights, for example) is the big one.

    No telemetry, no ads, no one trying to force me to use software I don't want, and ZERO dark patterns. No more having intrusive notifications asking me if I want to use software X when I said I didn't numerous times, while also offering me just "maybe later" as an option. No software being intrusively installed on my system without my consent. No setting options being silently re-enabled without my consent after an update.

    And, as a nice extra, Linux distro's are generally way cleaner and lighter than Windows, with much better performance all around, since they're not filled with clutter and a bunch of shady processes running in background.

    I despise using Windows nowadays. I don't want to use a product or a service that does not respect me as a consumer.

    I have it on my desktop just as a remote server for gaming with Moonlight/Sunshine, and as a VM on my laptop exclusively to digitally sign some documents as I mentioned earlier. Other than that, everything else I do, I do with Linux. I don't miss Windows at all, and that has been the case for some years now.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    The pros are that it cannot be used as leverage against your interests by the vendor, and it's basically UNIX. But I mean, by that criteria, one should run BSD.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Pros: it's Linux :D

    Cons: it's Linux ;(

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