Spent lots of time with Gnome 2.

In Dec 2024 I got hooked in Hyprland on Arch and have a cool rice for it. But I've tried KDE on desktop now with Parrot OS since Plasma is popular. Still need to find some cool dot files or rice it myself.

I've noticed SwayFX getting lots of love lately. I might use that as an option with Plasma but am afraid of conflicts. I'm excited about it since Linux has now officially replaced windows on my gaming rig, which is the very last MS computer left in my house.

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[–] 44 points 5 months ago

KDE. I don't even do much to customize it. I think it looks pretty good out of the box.

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Niri + Noctalia shell. I find the scrolling tiles to be excellent for my workflow, and the desktop shell feels nice and polished. Plus, Niri supports the Wayland zwlr_layer_shell, which means I can finally use Wallpaper Engine; there's even a Noctalia plugin for it.

    Niri has been great for gaming and streaming, so be sure to check it out if you haven't.

    I would be hesitant to use anything but KWin with Plasma. They were designed together as a set (like Mutter and Gnome), and I suspect replacing the WM would be no small task.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Do you mind elaborating on that Wallpaper Engine thing and also Natalia shell. What are they? I’m familiar with Niri, but never used it myself. (Not sure I like scrolling logic, I use barebones Sway.)

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Noctalia is a fork of Quickshell, and it provides a bar, dock, background handling, plugins store, and easy settings menus to adjust everything. It feels nice and polished, and it's got a lot of "nice to haves" covered. It also works with Sway! The scrolling logic is a Niri thing, so no need to worry about that.

    Wallpaper Engine is a tool hosted through Steam that allows people to have animated desktops, sometimes ones that have sound and even interactivity. The problem is that it's 100% built to work with Windows only. Because it's changing something on your system and not just drawing things on screen like a game, there's really no way for Proton or Wine to help.

    And that's what Linux Wallpaper Engine is for! It can take the wallpaper resources and apply them to window managers that support the zwlr_layer_shell protocol, which allows a z-positioning order for the background for Wayland clients. Noctalia has a plugin that makes that integration much easier to manage, so it feels like it's part of the system rather than a hacky workaround.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    So Hyprland with Plasma would be no bueno? Honestly, if I can get my dots right, tile some windows, and get the hotkeys set up similarly, it might be just as good.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    It might not work, yeah. KDE has integrated KWin and Plasma very purposely that I would be impressed if you could implement the one without the other. Not saying it can't be done, because this is Linux after all, but KDE didn't design Plasma to be modular software, so I would imagine you'd experience broken integrations and such that "just work" with KWin.

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  • [–] 49 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    KDE Plasma because I'm basic and I wanna get stuff done 👍

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago

    KDE Plasma. It's clean, fast, and just works.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago

    I use KDE. I like how easy it is to customize pretty much everything. Like, if I want everything to be green, I can make everything green and no one can stop me.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago

    KDE Plasma all the way, on the desktop, the laptops and the two set top boxes.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    KDE Plasma, as it’s most Windows-like and it has lots of cool widgets to add to your desktop Windows 7-style.

    I’ve also tried Gnome, but I found it confusing and honestly a bit annoying. Not being able to properly minimise like I’m used to just really throws me off. I do think the visual style is well-designed, though.

    I’ve tried Cinnamon as well. I thought it looked a bit too cheap for my taste, at least by default on Mint.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    Xfce, specifically because I like the Chicago95 theme.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I use Cinnamon, it’s not much, but it just works.

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    For me: Gnome + extensions.

    The default Gnome feels way too locked down to me, and I don't like some of the choices. But, with the right extensions "locked down" becomes "simplified enough to get out of your way".

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Yeah, I’ve got a couple extensions as well. I tried out Bazzite and liked some of the changes they made, but wanted something closer to stock Gnome. Ended up just installing Silverblue and adding a few of those extensions back, to taste.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    How do you fare with the restrictions of immutable distro? That's feels scary to me, but I'm a control freak.

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    I actually like the assurance of immutability. The main downside is that there’s just less documentation on how to do things, since it’s a very non-standard configuration for a distro.

    It’s also annoying having to reboot every time I layer a new package into the system image, but I try to avoid that as much as possible and haven’t had to do it recently.

    Adjusting to Flatpaks has also presented some challenges. In theory, I really like what Flatpaks offer in terms of app-level isolation, but some things are still rough around the edges. I’ve encountered at least one app that didn’t obey the system’s dark mode theming… Also, they still haven’t quite figured out a good way to handle GPU drivers, so you can run into compatibility issues between the usage driver in the runtime and the kernel driver in the system image.

    In my case, I’ve just had to update and restart the application when this happens, but it might cause problems if you try to roll back the OS image after already updating all your runtimes (resulting in a newer userspace driver trying to talk to an outdated kernel driver).

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    I'm on Mango, and it's amazing for me. It's well documented, as well as extremely flexible. I love it.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    i3

    With alacritty, qutebrowser, neovim and LibreWolf. I use my custom dmenu-based utilities for things like launching apps, locking (with slock), controlling (ie. postponing :D) redshift and music player and opening bookmarks, links and searches. Thunar is the most DE-like app I use but being comfortable with Bash i use Thunar just for certain tasks like organizing files like photos. For quick text edits, I sometimes prefer Mousepad. For screenshots it's slop+maim.

    I don't "rice", I just set some color schemes years ago and use simple wallpaper (which I rarely see.) And keep everything as minimal and out of way as possible.

    (I don't care about Wayland unless I'm somehow forced to. I mean, some of my utils depend on X11 for things like clipboard access but I suppose it could be fixed easily nowadays. However X11 works fine for me so if it ain't broken...)

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    KDE (on CachyOS)

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    Lightly customized KDE plasma, it truly is just the best de out there. However when I'm feeling a bit playful and not looking to do actual work or using my laptop without a mouse I do switch over to hyprland sometimes.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    sway. I tried hyprland, but it was unable to switch between different maximized windows (monocle layout). There was a way, but it triggered a resize on every window switch, which was slow and annoying. I don't know if it's perhaps been fixed since then.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Sway, it's fast, pretty, easy to customize, and can do headless displays to stream with Sunshine.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    What does headless display mean to stream?

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    It means that the display I stream doesn't show on a physical stream. When the stream start, it can automatically be set to the resolution and framerate of the client.

    This is especially useful when the client has a resolution and/or refresh rate not supported by a connected physical screen. For example, I always used to have vertical black bars on my phone because it is so wide, and horizontal ones on my Surface because it is so square, but not anymore.

    It also means I coult setup multi-seat stuff and keep using my pc while someone else is streaming.

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    Stock GNOME. No extensions.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    KDE + Wayland, only changes I made were moving the bar to the left side, changing the applications menue icon, and changing the color of breeze dark to pink

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago*

    Been on i3wm for 3 4 years now I guess. Also work with sway on some systems.

    you can actually see and use my config

    https://codeberg.org/alirezaalavi/dotfiles

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    Very underrated IMO. It has been a while since I last used it but I recall it was super light and snappy - even compared to other more well-known lightweight alternatives. It was definitely a pleasant experience. Happy to see it still going strong.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    kde + wayland on tumbleweed. Wanted to try other things, went for swaywm. NowI found out that krunner and kdeconnect are like 90% of what i need an OS (DE) to do.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

    KDE, but only with an extension called kröhnkite for auto tiling. To me a manual stacked window management system is almost unusable. As someone who used tiling window managers for years and lots of KDE based applications, and as KDE was one of the first who worked well in Wayland, I thought to give it a shot. I like it and since then (years by now) stayed on KDE.

    For reference, I used Gnome 2 on Ubuntu, made the switch to Unity desktop, then Gnome 3 (and I think Gnome 4 too?, don't remember). Then started experimenting with Regolith, auto tiling for Gnome, and tried out real tiling window managers, until I landed on qtile. Then experimented with Xfce, before finally making the switch to KDE (because of Wayland). Rest is history.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Oh my god, Krohnkite was so unbelievably buggy for me, it kept fully crashing KDE. I tried to get it to work for like a week, but eventually I just had to give up.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Its different now, and I mean it. I used Krohnkite in Plasma 5 when it worked well, but later it started to be buggy. Its a fork from the original BTW and the main thing that is worked on at https://codeberg.org/anametologin/Krohnkite . I think reason it was buggy is, caused by Wayland or when transitioning to Plasma 6, forgot. Then I switched to Polonium (kwin script) and it worked but wasn't great. But Polonium started to be buggy too,... then Krohnkite was reworked, even the Kwin developers made adjustments so that Krohnkite works well.

    I am using it again since Plasma 6 launch period and it works well. Krohnkite is not buggy and it even got some cool features, where you can dock any window to the side or top or bottom side in a smaller area, that will not interfere with the other windows for tiling in example. So all in all, if you think about using it, then I can highly recommend Krohnkite.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    i don't like tiling wm, and can't stand seemingly random placement a linux d.e. usually gives (if not just centering everything every time).

    i use the kwin script for 'remember window positions' to get behaviour similar to windows. gnome has something similar, too ('smart auto move ng'). so now a window for a program will open right back up the same size and in the same spot next time you run it.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    There are multiple different logic how new windows are placed and the existing one re-ordered (or not re-ordered). Some have a logic that make look it random, if you don't know whats going on. Sometimes these behavior can be configured, or even choose from many "layouts" (these behavior and logic are often called layouts) that suits your needs. I actually use different layouts and switch between them depending on what I need. Below is a bit description of different ways how these layouts could function:

    A predictable layout is the one that cuts the view in half, uses the first window opened up on the left, and then just tiles the right side, while adding new windows on the right bottom side only. This can be configured in a way that every new open window will replace the right big view, and push all other window one below to the left bottom stack in example. Another predictable one is that it cuts the view in 4 parts, left-top to right-bottom. And if all are filled and you open more windows, then the others are cut in half again when needed. Or if you want, use a spiral, that looks random at first and in my opinion was never useful anyway. And there are more ways how a layout logic could function. Not knowing how looks sometimes random.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Sway and Gnome

    The latter is mostly for other family members. But I like both.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    I'm using gnome.

    Really enjoyed sway but lacked the integration I wanted, KDE before plasma 6 would break all the time and I liked but again lacked integration niri (a scrolling window manager)

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    WM: i3, sway, also playing around with dwm

    DE: Xfce

    I just need basic functionality, and most tiling WMs are fairly similar. i3 vs. Sway is basically the Xorg vs. Wayland question. I like dwm for its absolute minimalism and the fact that you configure it by editing or patching C and recompiling.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Gnome with the Forge extension for window tiling

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Running mangowm on AerynOS.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    KDE Plasma with default settings as well.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Cosmic.

    Openbox was my favourite, but there's not a really good Wayland alternative yet so I've stuck with KDE for years.

    I wanted to try Cosmic so I went to the source with popos and it's really a good time. I haven't used a Deb/Ubuntu base since the Crunchbang days but this is good and it seems there is a Cosmic update pushed through every week.

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    Sway, me like simple.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    People tend to dislike this, but I LOVE gnome. It runs a lil heavy, but damn it's clean, smooth, fast, easy & decluttered.

    No dot files, no config, and it's intuitive

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    Using kde rn because its easy to use.

    I will spend some time to get a tiling wm eventually. Minimal resource efficiency as well as brain efficiency is very apealing to me.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Arch linux + niti + dms, amazing!

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I've been a GNOME user ever since I made the switch to Linux. Though, like literally over the last couple of days, I've been DE/WM-hopping.

    The first address was Sway, but it felt (kinda) archaic... And while I'm positive that I'd be able to make it work, I wasn't entirely sure if it was worth the effort 😅.

    So, not long after, I couldn't bear it anymore and switched to COSMIC. So far, I'm pretty content with it. GNOME required about half a dozen extensions to properly bend to my will. With COSMIC, it pretty much gets there without any external add-ons.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Hyprland, specifically with the end4 illogical impulse desktop.

    It's pretty and I really like how functional it is, but some recent updates have changed how some of the config files work requiring changes. It's an inconvenience I'm willing to put up with though.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    For fun? Niri + Noctalia.

    For actually using the computer efficiently? KDE Plasma.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I've actually gotten so used to the workflow I think I'm more productive on Niri+Nocalia now (especially on my laptop with a smaller screen). That said, when I'm using programs which assume I'm using a traditional window manager (usually games tbh, but sometimes electron apps as well), I do consider that it may be easier to just give in an use Plasma.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago*

    Vanilla KDE on desktop, Niri WM+Noctalia shell on laptop. Firstly, because for some reason I cannot get any touchpad gestures to work on KDE, and secondly because the niri paradigm of horizontal tiling is just perfect for a laptop. I tried to use Gnome for a while before landing on Niri, but the lack of configurability and the reliance on extensions for basic functionality drove me nuts.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I have KDE Plasma, Hyprland, and Mango (WM) installed.

    Of the three, I use Mango most of the time, and KDE Plasma sometimes. Hyprland, I've kept because most of my config was for it, and I'm still currently porting them to Mango. Most of the dotfiles are in their own areas, though I've mostly piggybacked on Plasma components. One area that I've got some trouble with is program theming. KDE Plasma has its own, Qt has its own (which is different from the KDE Plasma one), and GTK is yet another. I've decided that the best way to deal with it is to make them look as similar as I can, so that whether I'm on Mango, Hyprland, or KDE Plasma, my programs will look the same--except for the presence of window titlebars, which Mango doesn't show, Hyprland shows via a plugin, but KDE Plasma does show.

    I used Ubuntu's implementation of Gnome back when I started dabbling with Linux some time ago. I didn't bother theming it. And then I moved to XFCE when that underpowered machine I was using couldn't handle Ubuntu's Gnome without feeling like it's swimming in molasses. XFCE is nice and configurable in contrast, and I didn't have much to complain about. However, I found its configuration back then to be quite troublesome, especially as I tried tweaking my own bars and panels.

    I then moved to KDE Plasma when I got my current machine. It was pretty okay out of the box, but coming from a tweaked XFCE, I couldn't stop myself from theming it to my liking. Hyprland was introduced to me mid-2024, and I was thrust head-first into configuring it from scratch, no dotfiles to copy from, or pre-made shells to make my experience easier.

    At present, Mango won me over by having a decent vertical scrolling layout, as well as the flexibilty of using other layouts on the fly. While I like Hyprland's level of polish and customizability, and recently have implemented scrolling (both vertical and horizontal), I am staying with Mango if only because I've already done the work porting most of my stuff there.

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    Used it for years back in 2012-2014. Was writing my Master's thesis in LaTeX. Simple and absolutely no issues. It certainly wasn't eye candy back then though.

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    It still isn't. It doesn't even have fractional scaling

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Cosmic. It's still a little buggy but getting better.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Cinnamon. It's like a combination of kde and gnome.

    I am sorry if my English is bad.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Cinnamon. Desktop UI peaked in the Gnome 2/Windows XP era and anything after that is bloat for the sake of bloat.

    Might try kde plasma though, if I can make it behave the same.

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    I'd think you'd use MATE if you love the Gnome 2 era. May I ask why not?

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    Cinnamon does everything I need it to and I've got it customised to the way I like it so I've not felt a need to switch. MATE's status as a fork of an old version of Gnome (at least at the time I was looking) worries me a bit as well because the legacy codebase may get left behind.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    If i have to pick one i'd say River. I have a bunch of tiling compositors configured but find myself coming back to River the most. It feels stable, it's minimal, but still supports the wayland protocols you'd want to be there, and is fairly simple to configure with its shell script config file.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    running plain gnome on my main machine and xfce on my older one, but might try singularity or cosmic when I get some time

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I use the pop!_os customized version of GNOME currently. I used hyprland for a while until I lost my dots for it due to some PC issues, and I didn't bother setting it back up. I do plan to switch to COSMIC which I quite enjoy, but it's also still missing a lot of stuff I need, so im waiting for that to be fully rolled out

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (9 children)

    Still on Openbox/Xorg. Inevitable is the switch to wayland, what is the closest equivalent? And if you use it, how is it?

    edit: for me, OB's greates strength is having tons of options for manual tiling while still being a stacking window manager. Plus tons of keyboard shortcuts and inbuilt menus.

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    I'm aware of labwc.

    I wonder if people have experience with it, and would like to share it.

    It uses OB's theme spec and all other familiar config files afaics, that's good. Almost (? again, asking for experience) a drop-in replacement.

    I seem to remember there were one or two other candidates though.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    I've been using openbox for more than a decade and a half and 3 years ago I moved to wayland with labwc. The theme is compatible and the config syntax similar but you can't just copy the openbox config and load it into labwc. The experience is VERY similar to openbox...but better. I'm not going back.

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    Thanks, sounds good. No paper cuts at all? (Not that openbox doesn't have any)

    config syntax similar but you can’t just copy the openbox config and load it

    Sure; I'm not opposed to a migration process, it's just that I have so much muscle memory with all my key- and mousebinds. But would you like to expand on this a little? I guess at the very least
    <openbox_config xmlns="http://openbox.org/3.4/rc">
    will be replaced with
    <labwc_config xmlns="http://labwc.org/x.x/rc">
    or some such?

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    A little from my config:

    
    <?xml version="1.0"?>
    ...
    <core>
        <decoration>server</decoration>
        <gap>0</gap>
        <adaptiveSync>no</adaptiveSync>
        <reuseOutputMode>no</reuseOutputMode>
    	<primarySelection>no</primarySelection>
    	<allowTearing>no</allowTearing>
    	<autoEnableOutputs>yes</autoEnableOutputs>
    	<xwaylandPersistence>no</xwaylandPersistence>
      </core>
    ...
     <keybind key="A-Tab"><action name="NextWindow" /></keybind>
    ...
     <mousebind button="Right" action="Drag"><action name="Resize" /></mousebind>
    ...
    <windowRule identifier="xfce4-appfinder" matchOnce="false" fixedPosition="yes" serverDecoration="no">
          <skipTaskbar>yes</skipTaskbar>
    	  <skipWindowSwitcher>yes</skipWindowSwitcher>
    	  <ignoreConfigureRequest>yes</ignoreConfigureRequest>
    	  <fixedPosition>yes</fixedPosition>
          <action name="ToggleAlwaysOnTop"/>
          <action name="MoveToEdge" direction="up" snapwindows="false" />
          <action name="MoveToEdge" direction="right" snapwindows="false" />
        </windowRule>
    
    

    ...etc etc.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I hear that river wants to try to sort of become the Xorg of wayland (in the sense of providing a simpler interface to build a window manager upon, without needing the whole compositor)

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    No, I do want a compositor that would be like Openbox, on wayland.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    I think what he's saying is that there might be more options coming for stacking compositors (if they haven't been created already) since the new River framework makes it easier to create them

    Instead of downvoting me, maybe you could be more clear about what you want, and not take it out on the messenger if it turns out the exact thing you want doesn't exist lol. Build it yourself i guess.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    KDE Plasma but mainly I use sway.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    XFCE with Compiz with all the 3D effects enabled lol.

    If you want wayland then wayfire is supposed to be the spiritual successor, but it's still technically beta software.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    TDE. Solid, familiar, stays out of my way.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    I’m a simple man. Default Gnome on my desktop, i3 on my low end laptop. I don’t even really use the DE-ness of Gnome, I’m just too lazy to bother switching. On my laptop I also don’t even really need i3. kmscon + tmux would probably be fine except for those few times when I have to use a full browser for some stupid logon permissions or QR code jank.

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