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[–] 129 points 1 year ago (37 children)
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Hey take some cities as enclaves too. Blue cities in red states don't deserve that kind of punishment.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What about the liberals in conservative areas? We all gonna hold off because they're gonna get eaten by the dogs, too? What about liberal kids of conservative parents?

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Needs Colorado on there somewhere too. That place is a blue oasis surrounded by a sea of red bullshit states on all sides.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They elected Hoedirt Boebert... no entry.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You say "they" as if states don't have different districts. Boebert came from a right-leaning district, but was so toxic she couldn't get re-elected there. So she had to move to an even more right district in order to win.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Add to that she's actually a transplant from Florida, and it starts to make sense.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yeah. Her saying "don't you know who I am!?" and flipping off the workers after getting kicked out for refusing to stop vaping indoors and near pregnant women and performing public sexual acts at a musical where kids were in attendance... That's pure Florida.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Realistically this wouldn't be possible, at least in the way most people assume. It's hard for people to just uproot their whole lives and move to another state (though it's easier these days), a partition like this would mean leaving behind a lot of liberal minded people, who are too poor or too rooted in a place.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    On a family zoom call we were comparing house moves. My bro had the record at like 51 times he moved his house. One year he moved to Manhattan, then to Harlem, then to London.

    It's not hard, but it can be complex.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I have a garage filled with large power tools, my family and friends are all here and I own the land I live on. It’s hard and expensive to just uproot all that. For someone living an austere lifestyle it would be easier but if you’ve put down roots it’s much harder.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    This is not just a simple house move, this is a whole on nation move, where you may never get to go back. There's will be massive paperwork, a lot of uncertainty, chaos and pain. From my anecdotal knowledge on what happened in countries like west/east germany, north/south korea, india/pak, I can say that this event will be very stressful for a lot of people.

    Especially if you have to move for your safety. You might have to sell your house for cheaper than what it's worth, you might not be able to buy new land or find good renting opportunities. You might have to sell your business or close down. You might have to find new jobs, new schools, new everything. And some people just don't want to leave their home, no matter how fucked things are, because there's a chance they'll never see it again.

    This isn't to mention, the pain that will come with such a divorce, the shame, and the lost hopes.

    It's definitely hard and complex. I think you are greatly underestimating how traumatic such a move would be for a lot of people (even if it maybe necessary).

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Moves are a pain, the biggest part is you lose circles of support as in friends, colleagues, community. But moving itself, while sucking badly is not terribly difficult. I have moved from UK, to Ontario, now to BC and its probably 12 houses I have lived in so far. You start to simplify your belongings as you go, but starting fresh friendship connections is the tricky part.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Moving from one state to another in the US costs about $10-20k if you hire a service. If you pack and move everything yourself and rent a truck you can take that down to around $6-7k, but the physical labor involved is strenuous. For people who don't have a lot of money or who are old or not physically strong, I think it's reasonable to describe it as difficult.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    I was talking about the divorce as a whole. It would have some very serious ramifications. Moving wouldn't be easy, because you'd be doing so under a whole different set of circumstances than moving abroad for studying or for a job. It's not just you, it's everyone who wants to live a "liberal democracy" who would want to move and it wouldn't be easy at all, imo.

    Historically mass exodus aren't fun.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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    So would the genocide be the eggs or the omelets?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Neither, but I suspect you know your argument is in bad faith.

    It's better to protect some people than none, and if that means balkanizing the US then that sucks for the blue islands in the Bible Belt but we are in crisis and that means triage.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm sure the sane people in those new Canadian provinces would want universal healthcare, but would they be willing to give up their guns? I think most of Canada is appalled at the gun violence in the US and would make giving up guns an unconditional requirement of joining Canada.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Deaths by firearm, per 100,000 people, are about 1/7 the number in Canada as it is in America.

    America has over 200 school shootings a year. 2024 saw a near record with 330 school shootings.

    Canada? 6 in its entire history. To get to the grand total of 9, you would have to include post-secondary institutions.

    If you truly want to “think about the children”, firearm control comes wwwaaaaaaayyyyy before banning books and taking away lunches.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 84 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Imagine.

    Donald declares war on Canada.

    Straight away all those states secede from the union and declare independence (States rights!)

    Canada claims them all as allies.

    TACO bell end Trump backs down.

    States join Canada.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    ain't no fucking way your carving that out and leaving Minnesota behind, we've been basically Canada for hundreds of years

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  • [+] 72 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We've already petitioned Canada about adopting us since Trump was elected, and they responded positively! They consider us their favorite neighbor of all the border states. 🥰

    Granted, it was a joke in response to Trump's tariffs, but still... (Source)

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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    Do all the 19 year old Michiganders who drive to Toronto to drink mean nothing to you?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Feel real bad for Illinois, Virginia, Colorado and New Mexico citizens.

    And all the Democrats in the red states of course.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)
    [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Chicagoan here; can we be a Canadian exclave? Please?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There's a joke in there somewhere about "enclave" and The Bean... but I'm already imagining the band behind that name and what they play.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    I don't wanna be left behind in the failed states. But otherwise I approve of this message.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Listen, you just want to annex lake Michigan and take Chicago as a part of the bundle, I won't argue. Because at this point I'm begging

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    please take all of Michigan. Please please please.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In fairness there's a bunch of our homies left out. Maine, Vermont, Minnesota, NY, on and on. Leave America the scraps.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Maintenance Vermont and NY are all on the map as having been annexed. But also, I think realistically, California could probably sustain itself for a good long while. It might be better off as trade partners than as a province of Canada.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Don't forget Hawaii & Alaska & Puerto Rico & ...

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    eric andre grabbing at the fence shouting to be let in

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Except this is also how the "democracy" that is modern day Russia was created. Everything that's happened in the U.S. since ~2012 that has been driving us to the brink of collapse by furthering the divide between left and right has been eerily similar.

    Psychological Inoculation and Astroturfing: Preparing for exploitation of U.S. secession movements

    A lot of people don't know this, bc it's not exactly clear what they were doing there, but coincidentally the Heritage Foundation also seemed to play a role in the creation of the first free market in the earliest days of post-soviet Russia.

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  • [+] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    You know tbh I'm surprising TACO McDumbass hasn't thought about selling our country yet...

    Imagine the cash you'd get for this whole place, fuck!

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Minnesota is ready for you too

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    As a Canadian, no thank you. California and New York would swallow us and we'd become "liberal United States"

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    No, I dont like it .... my state should be Canadian as well.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I’m thankful they included my state of Nevada!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Can Illinois come with? Chicago is pretty cool and we have some nice state parks!

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Why do we need counties at all? Why do we even draw borders to begin with?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    United States of the Gulf of Mexico

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Please take NYC and Chicago as well

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