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A man can dream (lemmy.world)
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[–] 4 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Realistically this wouldn't be possible, at least in the way most people assume. It's hard for people to just uproot their whole lives and move to another state (though it's easier these days), a partition like this would mean leaving behind a lot of liberal minded people, who are too poor or too rooted in a place.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    On a family zoom call we were comparing house moves. My bro had the record at like 51 times he moved his house. One year he moved to Manhattan, then to Harlem, then to London.

    It's not hard, but it can be complex.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I have a garage filled with large power tools, my family and friends are all here and I own the land I live on. It’s hard and expensive to just uproot all that. For someone living an austere lifestyle it would be easier but if you’ve put down roots it’s much harder.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    This is not just a simple house move, this is a whole on nation move, where you may never get to go back. There's will be massive paperwork, a lot of uncertainty, chaos and pain. From my anecdotal knowledge on what happened in countries like west/east germany, north/south korea, india/pak, I can say that this event will be very stressful for a lot of people.

    Especially if you have to move for your safety. You might have to sell your house for cheaper than what it's worth, you might not be able to buy new land or find good renting opportunities. You might have to sell your business or close down. You might have to find new jobs, new schools, new everything. And some people just don't want to leave their home, no matter how fucked things are, because there's a chance they'll never see it again.

    This isn't to mention, the pain that will come with such a divorce, the shame, and the lost hopes.

    It's definitely hard and complex. I think you are greatly underestimating how traumatic such a move would be for a lot of people (even if it maybe necessary).

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Moves are a pain, the biggest part is you lose circles of support as in friends, colleagues, community. But moving itself, while sucking badly is not terribly difficult. I have moved from UK, to Ontario, now to BC and its probably 12 houses I have lived in so far. You start to simplify your belongings as you go, but starting fresh friendship connections is the tricky part.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Moving from one state to another in the US costs about $10-20k if you hire a service. If you pack and move everything yourself and rent a truck you can take that down to around $6-7k, but the physical labor involved is strenuous. For people who don't have a lot of money or who are old or not physically strong, I think it's reasonable to describe it as difficult.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    I was talking about the divorce as a whole. It would have some very serious ramifications. Moving wouldn't be easy, because you'd be doing so under a whole different set of circumstances than moving abroad for studying or for a job. It's not just you, it's everyone who wants to live a "liberal democracy" who would want to move and it wouldn't be easy at all, imo.

    Historically mass exodus aren't fun.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Eggs and omelettes.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    So would the genocide be the eggs or the omelets?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Neither, but I suspect you know your argument is in bad faith.

    It's better to protect some people than none, and if that means balkanizing the US then that sucks for the blue islands in the Bible Belt but we are in crisis and that means triage.

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