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[–] 87 points 5 months ago (4 children)

If there is a "Jewish day Parade" I'll be there, but specifically Israel is super problematic; don't know how any sane person can support anymore

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    This. "Hey, instead of parading for the ethnicity that has been victim of discrimination and genocide for millenia, let's parade for the white colonizers larping as said ethnicity to gain Victim Points™!"

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I am genuinely curious who you believe is ethnically Jewish if Israel is white colonizers pretending to be Jewish? I hear somewhat frequently that there aren't "real" Jews anymore because intermixing with Europeans (and other ethnicities) diluted their bloodline too much, and it feels not only doublethinky but almost eugenicist.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I think the bottom line is Israel is either a theocracy first or a eugenics project first.

    Stuff like this shows in the past, at least, it was leaning toward the latter: https://www.christiancentury.org/news/african-hebrew-israelites-finally-see-legal-victory-against-israel-s-deportation-threats

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Oh no doubt, it is both a theocracy and a racial supremacy, with lighter skinned Jewish supremacy to boot. My concern has been with the seeming erasure of Jewish ethnicity through conflation with White Supremacy as the big societal evil of our time.

    It just skeeves me out and feels basically racist when people call Israel white European settler colonialism. Like only the evil European White Man could be so evil, so they obviously aren't "real" Jews. It has the same energy as white supremacists not counting Jews as white, just flipped and repackaged. Maybe it's just racial purity testing in general not sitting right with me, I don't like it when either political side does it.

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  • [–] 150 points 5 months ago (1 child)
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    this will really piss off a bunch of white redneck evangelicals that use israel to validate their death wish on society

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  • [–] 50 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Who don't live in, have never been to, and are to scared to visit the city.

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  • [–] 137 points 5 months ago (86 children)

    I never knew of the existence of an "Isreal Day" parade. Is there any other country focused parades out there? I don't recall there being a British Day parade or Mexico day parade.

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  • [–] 49 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (15 children)

    NYC loves its parades. There's the Puerto Rican day parade for one, that one is pretty big. I wouldn't look too much into that aspect of it.

    Of course, fuck Israel nevertheless

    Edit: there's so many that Futurama made a joke about it

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Not sure that compares since Puerto Rico is an American territory.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    NYC has huge populations of both intermingled with just about every other cultural or ethnic group you can imagine

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    There’s also St Patrick’s for Irish, and some Italian festivals, lgbtq parades, police parades (actually I think that overlaps with St Patrick’s).

    When you live in tiny apartments, almost any excuse to be outside is welcome.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    So does New Orleans and we don't have an Israeli parade to my knowledge

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Sure, but does New Orleans have a large jewish population? NYC historically does, so it's no surprise there is influence. Israel can burn imo but I'm not shocked that somewhere with a high percentage of jewish people would have a parade in support of Israel, especially considering the work Israel does to push the connection between judaism and Israel.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Large enough that the lefties were split on Palestine and the local narrative was that wearing a Palestinian flag at a protest was tantamount to being anti semitic. But i doubt we have a huge population.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Apparently there are about 1.4 million Jewish people in NYC, or about 14% of the population, so yeah, it's sizeable. I'm not defending them at all, it just grates me that people just gloss over what I feel are important details.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    There are a ton of parades for one nationality or another in NYC. If you accept one's like St. Patrick's day, which are strongly associated with one country despite not being called the "X Nationality Day Parade," you have the Irish, Scottish, Germans, Dominicans, Panamanians, Japanese and Chinese covered, at least.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Mexico day parade

    Dude. May was Just Here

    British Day parade

    Um, hello-oo, 4th of July....

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago (61 children)

    St. Patrick's Day? Cinco de Mayo?

    I get it that the situation with Israel is different, because the Jewish diaspora ≠ Israeli diaspora, and the state of Israel has an undue and disproportionate influence over US politics due to AIPAC, lobbying, and dual citizens in Congress.

    And that's all without even mentioning the unmitigated war crimes of the settler-colonial project that is modern Israel.

    But let's not be ignorant. The US does celebrate other nations' and cultures' holidays, to an extent.

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  • [–] 35 points 5 months ago* (19 children)

    Cinco de mayo is purely a United Statesian holiday. Mexicans have no idea what it is. (I guess United Statesians dont either lol, but it is a US holiday.)

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Fun history lesson, Cinco de Mayo was first celebrated in the Mexican communities of California. It celebrates the Mexican victory over the French at the Battle of Puebla in 1862. It was widely popularized by the Chicano movement in the 1950s.

    Battle of Puebla Day was and sort of still is a holiday in Mexico, but it's not on any official observances list, but school children do get the day off nationwide, and there's reenactments and parades in Puebla. Widespread celebration fell off after the dictator who was fond of the holiday was deposed in 1911.

    More fun history, the French won the Second Battle of Puebla a year later and then occupied Mexico City in their attempt to found a new Empire out of Mexico, because Napoleon the 3rd wanted one, but was way too incompetent to war with the rest of Europe. (He did some fighting in the Crimean War, but forgot to bring the artillery, the first Napoleon was an Artillery commander)

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    And St Patrick's Day is more of an America and Ireland thing. It's certainly not British.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    I never said it was British. What the fuck?

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    Op said British Day or Mexican Day parade and you responded with St Patrick's Day and Cinco de Mayo.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (9 children)

    OP also asked if there were any other country-focused parades out there. That's the part I was responding to.

    Latching onto the wrong part of the comment to miscontextualize my response is a bad faith argument.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    It's not bad faith, you just made an unfortunate choice of example. It's ok you can just say that wasn't your intention and everyone moves on. Oops lol hehe etc.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    What? There have been a couple users who responded with good faith arguments, and I engaged with them in good faith.

    There were also some who didn't, and why would I waste my time trying with those?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

    It's good faith to notice you chose the same country for example A and two neighboring countries for example B, unless you're saying you chose the objectively two best possible examples or something.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

    I wouldn't call it the objectively best, just the first two fitting examples that came to mind.

    In fact, I'd phrase it more like this:

    OP also asked if there were any other country-focused parades out there. That's the part I was responding to.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Okay but a lot of people were confused meaning your comment was unclear, you can just admit that instead of doubling down because you feel you can't be criticized. Yes, they were the first two fitting examples in YOUR mind, that doesn't mean others can't reasonably in good faith decide they were poor examples.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I engaged in good faith with people who engaged in good faith. And I kicked back the comments that weren't in good faith.

    You're the one doubling down. I responded to a comment, and you took it out of context by cherry-picking the comment I responded to for the part that wasn't relevant to my response. In academia, that's called an uncharitable interpretation at best.

    Simply telling you which part I responded to, and restating the part that makes it obvious from context (which you ignored) is not the same thing as "doubling down because you feel you can't be criticized."

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child)

    In academia

    Lmao

    Anyway, people were confused by your comment and it wasn't in bad faith. You might think you pointed out the parts that made it obvious, but again obvious to you, not obvious to some other real human beings.

    You must be deep into your phd program or something to actually use "in academia" as some kind of relevant analogy to whatever this is, so some good advice is to really accept your advisors critiques as valid, even if it doesn't make sense to you. You can of course get a second opinion, but ultimately you want your work to be accessible to your intended audience, people like your advisor. Whether or not you think it's clear enough already, what matters is if in fact it is clear enough to your audience.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, it's not my intent to make what amounts to an ignorant comment. My thought has always been that Cinco de Mayo and St Patrick Day celebrates cultures - not blatently stating that it's a "country" celebration.. The title of this parade, from an outsider looking in, doesn't seem to emphasize the culture, but rather the country.

    Around my area, we have the Polish Day Parade. The point to celebrate the Polish culture. In this case, calling it an Isreal Day Parade seems to bring the country as the subject, not the culture and not the Jewish religion.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    No it’s true based on a comment above this appears to NOT commemorate any particular historical event but just a thing. https://zoa.org/events/parade/

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago (20 children)

    Neither of those are comparable if you look at the contents of the events...or how they started....or even just the names.

    IDO5 isn't a celebration of Israeli culture. Its purpose is to celebrate the country/government. The theme of this parade is "Proud Americans, Proud Zionists"

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)
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    Pretty weird, right? It's not about something commemorative, it's literally a propaganda parade.

    Imagine St. Patrick's Day parades where they push the idea that Ireland should conquer the British isles

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (16 children)

    I didn't say they were directly comparable or perfect analogues. I even pointed out some of the differences.

    I just said let's not make incorrect statements that we don't celebrate other nations' holidays. Not sure what the issue with trying to shore up our logic a little bit is, but if you want to go on with points that are easily debunked when a slight change of phrasing would make it more seaworthy, then go ahead, just don't be surprised when zionists start poking holes in your logic and dismissing your arguments.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    I just said let’s not make incorrect statements that we don’t celebrate other nations’ holidays.

    Which was not what OP said in the first place.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (6 children)

    What does this mean to you:

    Is there any other country focused parades out there? I don't recall there being a British Day parade or Mexico day parade.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    It means exactly what it says. Do you see the word holiday in that quote?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    What days do parades happen on?

    The two holidays I mentioned both involve parades.

    Are you this dense, or just being disingenuous?

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    A parade is a celebration. They can happen on holidays but that's not a requirement. For example, a jazz funeral often includes a parade.

    At this point, I have to assume you're either trolling or just kind of dumb. Either way, I'm done and I hope you eat something that gives you diarrhea.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, and I pointed out two parades that are on holidays. What's your point?

    At this rate it seems you're the one being either dumb or disingenuous. And I hope your ill-will turns around and bites you twice as hard as you wish it on me.

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  • [+] -8 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Take your bullshit Mossad Propaganda somewhere else.

    As far as I'm concerned, Israel is lucky they haven't been carpet bombed back into the Biblical days they want to live in.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    My bullshit Mossad propaganda:

    I get it that the situation with Israel is different, because the Jewish diaspora ≠ Israeli diaspora, and the state of Israel has an undue and disproportionate influence over US politics due to AIPAC, lobbying, and dual citizens in Congress.

    And that's all without even mentioning the unmitigated war crimes of the settler-colonial project that is modern Israel.

    Literally.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    Forget it, Jake. It’s Tankietown.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Ain't that just the truth. Can't have a serious discussion here.

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Have you tried NOT pimping for child-murdering zionists?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    But let’s not be ignorant.

    I think its igorant to celebrate a country engaged in war crimes that our government simply fails to acknowledge. How many medical staff have they killed this week alone? But we are having a parade for them? Thats the ignorant thing here.

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    Why is it we can never have a conversation about Israel without you fucking people lying about everything? It has to be deliberate.

    Cinco de Mayo celebrates a culture, not a country. St Patrick's Day celebrates a culture, not a country.

    What fucking culture are we celebrating with "Israel Day?"

    Israel isn't a culture. It's a goddamn country currently led by a fascist, genocidial government.

    These two things aren't related. And if you're not literally stupid, you KNOW that they're not the same thing...and you still insist on making the argument? Go spread that Mossad Propaganda somewhere the fuck else.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    I literally pointed out the differences and nuance and what the actual problem with the Israel Day parade is, but if you want to just ignore that like you didn't read it at all, that's fine, go ahead.

    Jackass.

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  • [+] -8 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Blah blah blah

    Fucking Mossad Propagandist.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)
  • [+] -9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Why do you think I care if you take me seriously?

    You're pimping for people who murder children. As far as I'm concerned, I hope you get what Trump deserves.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I don't care whether you care or not, that's the thing. Stop flattering yourself.

    This you:

    And you:

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Why is it we can never have a conversation about Israel without you fucking people lying about everything? It has to be deliberate.

    What conversation? It’s a river of hateorade as usual. Are you not Intertained? We hate Israel, end of story.

    Oh wait, someone’s not on board with “carpet bombing them back to the biblical days they want to live in”? Looks like it’s shivvin’ time! And while the curb stomping continues, you can tut-tut and opine: why can’t we just have a conversation?

    🎶🎵You know where you are? You’re in the Lefty Jungle, baby! You’re gonna diiiieeeee 🥁🎸🥁🎶🎵
    (That’s a reference to a rock song called “In the Jungle”, not any sort of threat, just to be clear for those who may be unaware. Relax, everybody’s fine.)

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Only in NYC or in the United States? Or globally celebrating internationally?

    In New Brunswick, NJ, there's a Hungarian Festival. It's not a parade, but it shuts down the street whose historical significance is being the first street lit by Edison's lamps.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    In the Boston area, yeah, we have a whole bunch of national cultural festivals and parades. St. Patrick's Day is the really big one because of all the Irish, but there's also a lot of Italian and Greek and others. Edit: and Chinese, that's a really big one too

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  • [–] 57 points 5 months ago

    Fuck isreal

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