Damn that's quite an upgrade in such a short period of time.
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What irks me so much about electric cars is that, while their energy density is much better than that of ICE cars, and they have the potential to increase it further as battery technology advances, when you compare them to even the most modest form of public transport, public transport wins by such a landslide that it's laughable.
I wish the "old" picture didn't look like it was from the 1940s instead of literally the year 2000.
Seems like the photo was taken with a really crappy camera. Or someone just put a yellow filter over it.
Funny thing: tech in China was actually behind by 10+ years compared to western standards. Look at an episode from the 1985 edition of Journey to the West, the special effects look like a Doctor Who episode from the Tom Baker Era.
I still remember getting our first color TV in 2002, and that involved moving our old BW TV to the Master Bedroom. Dial-up Internet was also being used in 2007. Both of these examples were in metro Shanghai, which was the hub of development during these times.
A picture from 1940s would most likely be BW (as is the case with 60s era pictures of my great grandparents). While what you see is considered "90s-2000s" era for China.
The train doesn't go choo choo anymore 😔
I actually got to ride one of the steam locomotives in a heritage railway in Connecticut. The Essex Steam Train uses a China Railways SY class 2-8-2. There's another one in New Jersey as well. The stuff made by Tangshan Locomotive and Rolling Stock Works is interesting because it produced the last steam trains in the world that were built for non-tourist purposes. Hopefully China sees the historic value in preserving them and keeps some in a functional state for the long term. They apparently have one heritage railway, the Tiefa Coal Mine System, with a couple of the steam trains still running for tourists.
It's absolutely hilarious to me how people in the west are genuinely surprised that people in China overwhelmingly support their system and government. Just imagine what it must be like to live in a country where you see this sort of progress happening all around you in a single generation. You see a clear and tangible demonstration of the government working to improve your life everywhere you look.
It's also quite amusing to see the cognitive dissonance when you point out that the Chinese system (classified as communist by many here in the U.S.) was the one that has pulled off the greatest improvement in living conditions in human history, pulling hundreds of millions of people out of poverty in basically a generation.
"But muh capitalism!" (Don't worry, capitalism is proceeding to do the opposite.)
A lot of people don't understand the historical context of the US having sat out WW2. The whole myth of capitalism being a superior system was built on the fact that the US got to develop its industries while the rest of the world burned. So, naturally, the NATO bloc that it formed was far ahead economically. And the west has been riding that advantage ever since.
Oh, I believe it. I got a degree in environmental sciences, and in the course of my studies, learned the historical context that goes way back earlier than WW2, even: The United States initially became an economic superpower, and built its industries, on the sheer bounty of natural resources that it extracted from North America and the Caribbean. Nothing much to do with the economic system, except to concentrate the gains to a lucky, elite few.
I could be wrong as I know little about the topic but I should imagine people like this train driver has seen, in a single lifetime, such drastic change. Kind of like saying "I remember how bad things were compared to now".
In fairness, when my mom was a kid phone and fridges were new here in the US.
China’s railway infrastructure improvement is so sick.
I wish it would spark similar in the US 🥲
I first read; "Same train, 26 years apart." I bubbled; "You be lyin'." And then my eyes was like; "Oh they be talkin' about the driver."
How come he was able to grow so much taller as an adult??!??!
It's a shame china is still so full of cars and massive roads, and they don't seem to be placing too much of a priority on avoiding cars and creating walk-able cities.
Not to excuse them, but they do have an absolutely fucking absurd population and population density, so it should be noted that they're doing hilariously better than much of the world, proportionately.
I'd say they're a lot like japan: Very good in some ways, still quite amazingly shitty in other ways, and they've ended up like that because they're fairly non-corrupt (at least on a local level, in the case of china) and actually prioritize genuine economic growth (as in: having industry) rather than making people happy or jerking off the friends of politicians.
There's room for critique.
When I was visiting China, I asked what's up with the prevalence of consumer vehicles getting larger like SUVs (similar to US but I didn't mention that).
The common answer I received was, "I feel safer driving in them."
I think they have a long way to go wean off that sentiment.
Much like japan, except completely different in almost every way.
Japan has had completely stagnent ecenomic growth for the last 30 years, china tho...

Were they still rocking steam engine trains in the 90s?
The top image literally only exists in this context combined with the bottom image lol
https://tineye.com/search/7777615014d53bcce72888927f25c51729e67149?sort=score&order=desc&page=1
Ah google finds some more stuff:
https://xcancel.com/globaltimesnews/status/1069894122373296129
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:SY1721_at_Tangshan_Works.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Railways_SY
Definitely a chinese locomotive and it was built up until 1999
the driver's name is Han Junjia. here is an interview with him: https://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202012/28/WS5fe93034a31024ad0ba9ed9b.html
there are more photos of him in other trains here: http://en.people.cn/n3/2018/1205/c90000-9525433.html
This reminds me of my trip to northern Honshu in Japan. I took the Shinkansen (bullet train) which was so smooth and quiet you literally had to look out the window to even realize you were moving. But then we switched to an old clunker that was shaking around and belching smoke and working so hard just to pull out of the station.
And the on-board experience was a huge contrast as well. The Shinkansen was full of people in suits minding their own business and it was clean and space-age-looking. The other train had a lived-in look and was full of chatty country folk who started asking me all sorts of questions and laughing because we could barely understand each other. My Japanese is a little iffy and they had this country drawl that wasn't helping. But I enjoyed both trains for different reasons.
Ah, is the above picture misinformation?
I was kinda thinking the top photo looks like it's from the 1800s, not 26 years ago. Am I on the right track? (Pun intended)
no, i think it is real and the person who made this report just assumed that it wasn't.
my cross-post of it includes additional information i found while looking in to it.
There's probably examples with much less of a time difference too - there were (and as far as I am aware, still are) fueled steam locomotives in use at several facilities in china as recently as 3 4 2? years ago.
The last ones withdrawn in 2022
Dear god, is it truly 2026 already?
(That was regular service lines yeah - there's still sporadic service for fueled steam locomotives, and some industrial campuses like iron foundries are still using them as yard engines)
2022 was the end of industrial use. Main line use ended in 2005.
JS-class steam locomotives were used in active service at a rural coal mine in western China until 15 January 2024. Railfan & Railroad stated in 2022 that "the only places on earth to see steam locomotives in revenue freight service are small switching operations in China, North Korea and Bosnia," but that these were "sporadic at best."
As far as I am aware they are still in sporadic use; while I have seen no journalistic reporting that gives confirmation either way, I have seen numerous videos from rail fans in recent years happily sperging about their use.
While it's documented that China ended steam locomotive operations by 2024, and thus making it possible for a train driver to have worked steam and then later a modern high-speed electric train set, I cannot find any separate references for SY-2425 (pictured) being worked by the driver in question.
That doesn't mean it isn't him, but simply that this specific photo is uncited and undated. The timeline could still make sense -- if perhaps incredible that steam made it into the 21 Century -- but I have to always be weary of photo comparisons that seem to show up more on Facebook than they do in news articles.

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