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30 MILLION gallons??? Jesus fuck! Burn every one of them!!!
Please don’t burn them. Firefighters will then spend good amount of time, water, and foam to put out the fire.
Defund them, ban them, discourage companies from building them, turn off the existing ones. But do not burn them.
Can we like collectively burn one for fun? We've got to have enough other pyros to make it worth it
One of the more "out there" arguments I've read in recent times was a guy arguing basically that data centers don't make water go away because of the water cycle. That water can't really be destroyed. It made me feel the same way as when people respond to the killing of the earth with "The earth isn't going anywhere. It'll still be here and in a couple million years it will be fine." Fucking psychos.
I hate to tell you, but he was right. That's what closed loop systems do. IDK about this particular story, it sounds like they were open loop. But you should be able to recycle water indefinitely once it's filled and working.
Yeah the thing about the closed loop systems is that they pump a shit ton of chems to kill anything in the water. However no matter what shit grows in the loop. So they end up flushing the loop and dumping the water and chems into the sewer, before repeating the process.
So no, closes loop DCs aren't great.
And i literally work in one. Just the other week the DC manager told me they had a leak. A stupid amount of water was lost.
But because water is so cheap for commercial metro users it was more a oops then a wake up. Bare min repairs and bam, back up and running.
The point is these "closed" systems aren't perfect and shit happens. Especially as they age out.
That's only if the system doesn't use evaporative cooling, which most of them do since it requires a lot more cooling infrastructure to not rely on evaporation. Instead of the water evaporating in the cooling tower it'd have to sit for much longer in a cooling tank to allow the heat to radiate away, and that's a very slow process.
Are you a bot? Or just a paid shill? You can just do a miniscule amount of searching to find closed loop systems are extremely rare in America due to the costs. Its much easier to just steal and polute potable water
Le sigh.
Large data centers can consume up to 5 million gallons per day, equivalent to the water use of a town populated by 10,000 to 50,000 people. -source
Sorry we're all so much stupider than you and that no other systems exist to cool datacenters than the one you happen to have read about that time.
Oh so you are just doing propaganda while being a smug prick. Correct. You are much stupider. Just because technologies EXIST doesn't mean they are widely in use. Its obvious you're pushing an agenda, one that will poison drinking water for humans, so I'm guessing you're just a bot
They should have had their permits revoked and been forced to shut down.
Personally, I would have just "fixed" the problem by turning it off without notice. Then arrest whoever comes to turn it back on.
so... it wasn't "unnoticed"....
I hate these shitty headlines, like
"Chemical X - (Perfectly Safe) - Kills 5,000 Daily!"
same thing here. the press lies to push the same bullshit
We need to get rid of all of the data centers to save humanity. Who woulda thunk?
The thing is, we could harvest the heat and use it to generate energy instead of burning thru a natural resource were short of. (Edit: talking about potable water, not resources for energy generation)
It would just be expensive, and capitalism always takes the cheapest route regardless of anything else.
Obviously it's not going to be much energy generation, but "waste heat" is only a thing if you're wasting it. And at this scale it's not insignificant, we shouldn't be wasting it.
Not really. Despite the CPU running super hot, the water in a water cooling loop is a couple degrees C above ambient. Carnot's law, which provides the theoretical maximum energy extraction not accounting for any real world loss, means you can't get significant energy from a couple of degrees C temp difference.
You can get just enough energy for a science fair demonstration. Which scaled up to a data center size is a lot of energy. What the science fair misses is how much energy goes into making the system - You can generate what looks like a lot of power until you realize that the generators and such needed more energy to make than you will get back.
How do heat pumps work if this is true?
Heat pumps work by using a high power pump to compress the working fluid from its gas state to liquid. This compression heats the gas to 30 C over ambient. That high temp is then cooled through coils to air temp (30C on a hot day). In the winter it runs in reverse. It takes expands gas which in the case of a heat pump fluid like R-410a boils at -48C, runs that -48C gas through the coils which picks up heat from the outside at -1C (48C hotter than the gas). It then compresses that fluid to 20C which is then released into the house. That's why heat pumps can freeze up in the winter. The cold cycle is so far below freezing that ice will form on the coils. So heat pumps switch to AC mode every now and then in the winter to warm up their coils to melt the ice off (while turning off the fan in the house). The need for a large temperature difference is why heat pumps don't work if it gets below -20C.
So a heat pump moves heat but requires a large temp difference which comes from the electric compressor. You also can't extract significant work from that heat difference once you factor the energy input of the compressor. Otherwise heat pumps would have a device to power part of itself from the heat that it is moving.
So couldn’t we use a heat pump on the few degree above ambient waste heat to then do real work with it?
Carnot is 1 - T(coldside)/T(hotside) in Kelvin.
For a heat pump dumping heat a couple C above ambient (typical of heat pumps which is why people coming from furnaces complain that the air coming out isnt hot) that's n = 1 - 298/300 = 1-0.9933 = 0.67%
That means you'd need a machine that is more than 99.33% efficient to get any work out of that heat difference. For comparison, an engine losses 15-30% of energy just from the friction of polished metal cylinders and cams gliding close to another polished metal wall with a layer of oil in-between. The metal isn't even touching.
Actionlab just did a video on Carnot a few days ago.
For those wondering how TF a data center that is not even online yet could be using so much water:
- Soil compaction
- Dust suppression
That's it. For the scale of that project, that's all it would take to use 30 million gallons.
When they're done, they also need to flush miles of pipes which could also use a few million gallons but I don't think they're at that phase yet.
This amount of water would be used no matter what buildings they were constructing in that amount of space. Meaning: This article is pretty misleading clickbait (because a lot of people hate data centers lately, the headline will generate clicks).
The alternative is to have loads of data centers instead of one big one. That's more expensive, so they build a single big one.
If you don't like data centers, it makes sense to build a few really, really big ones like this rather than lots of smaller ones. Because data centers are necessary and important aspects of modern living. They're not going to just go away. There's nothing that could replace them.
Outrage started bubbling up last year when residents of an affluent subdivision named Annelise Park in Fayetteville, Georgia, noticed their water pressure was unusually low.
When the county utility investigated, officials discovered two industrial-scale water hookups feeding a data center campus located 20 miles south of downtown Atlanta. One water connection had been installed without the utility’s knowledge, and the other was not linked to the company’s account and therefore wasn’t being billed.
All told, the developer, Quality Technology Services, owed nearly $150,000 for using more than 29 million gallons of unaccounted-for water. That is equivalent to 44 Olympic-size swimming pools and far exceeds the peak limit agreed to during the data center planning process.
If s person stole 150k on valuable items goes straight to jail. A corporation, they just let it do it.
It really depends on if that person could afford a good lawyer or an exit plan to somewhere without an extradition treaty.
No way that corporation install a main line hookup without the water department knowing. Should know work in that field. Either city lying and the purposely allowed them to do this, or the workers for the water department were bribed and help do this.
certainly all capitalist states are
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