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So easy to control (lemmy.world)
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[–] 23 points 5 months ago (2 children)

This, but it's raping children and bombing innocents

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    • [–] 14 points 5 months ago

    And even if we don't go to the puppet show, we still get pickpocketed.

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    [–] 28 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    And why am I getting pickpocketed half a world away... I don't even watch the puppet show...

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    That's something that yanks can't understand

    We despise them because they export their stupidity

    All their wars, military and cultural are inflicted on the rest of the world whether we like it or not

    Not to mention the fact that the cunts don't seem to understand there's an entire world outside of their little shithole

    My fiancée is American, and she can't stand the place

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    The amount of people aware enough to know and understand this is so small compared to the rest. The USA has been imperialist since its inception and has done atrocious things that the presidents at the time should have been in chains for green lighting.

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    [–] 14 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    You don't want to cheer harder? What are you trying to do? Hurt small businesses?

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    • [–] 91 points 5 months ago (29 children)

    Ah it's voter disenfranchisement season here comes the "don't vote" machine

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    How about we call it the do something real machine.

    Also vote, but please please please understand how little impact that has in most ridings compared to direct action.

    Do you know who your reps are now? Are you excited about them? At municipal, state, and federal levels? If not then you need to be making noise until you're provided with better choices.

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  • [+] [S] -14 points 5 months ago (22 children)

    You get what you vote for, and we are up to our ears in fascism, vote for fascism light, get fascism.

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  • [–] 30 points 5 months ago (19 children)

    So what's your plan buddy?

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  • [+] [S] -29 points 5 months ago (17 children)

    The plan is plain as day, stop supporting our common oppressors.

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  • [–] 34 points 5 months ago (16 children)

    Which will result in change... Somehow I guess???

    Oh right you don't actually care about improving things, you just want to burn things down.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Well tbf, if all the useless idiots supporting the dem party went elsewhere, say the greens or invent a new one and flock en masse, then that would at least help change things without burning things down. And it has happened before, used to be Rep V Whig, then it was Rep V Dem, then Reps and Dems switched en masse though kept the names when trading sides. Everyone insists it can't again due to vendor lock in that they perpetuate by saying it can't happen again due to vendor lock in, but it totally could if we just y'know stopped eating our own tail and actually tried something different for once.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Something else to add to what you're saying is that 36% of the electorate did not vote in 2024, which is par for the course for previous elections as well. Which means in theory a third party could take every vote from non-voters and win without ever "stealing" a Republican's or Democrat's vote.

    People just need to stop calling it a wasted vote and disenfranchising potential voters that for one reason or another refuse to vote for either major party.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    You'd need a hell of a platform to be a compelling option to all them non-voters

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Having a compelling platform isn't the difficult part. That's actually probably the easiest part of the whole affair.

    A real problem is exposure, and it has to be the right kind of exposure. On top of which a single president with absolutely no back up is just an ineffectual figurehead and target. So the third party would need to get out in all races, everywhere, preferably all at once. Oh and they have to fight uphill the whole way just for ballot access, which wraps us back around to exposure.

    I guess to me the real hard part is getting apathetic and tired people to fight real hard, for a long time, while also paying for the expenses of the party and their own lives. As it would have no funding from Billionaires, or other moneyed interests, and if it did people would start to suspect the party's motives. Compelling platform is easy by comparison.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I think you may have missed my point. I meant that non-voters are not a homogenous mass, and have different desires and prejudices and reasons not to vote. And not to put too fine a point on it, a fair few of them are cunts.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    When your political project goes genocidal - yes, you have a moral obligation to burn it down. Otherwise youre sending the victims down the river to buy yourself more time for pointless political waffling.

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  • [+] [S] -12 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Since you're not paying attention, your method is what's burning things down at an accelerated rate

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    You don't know anything about me or my method. You're advocating for people to stop voting, which has changed things exactly 0 times in American history. If you were talking about changing the Democrats from the inside or about building a new party you would be on the right track, but instead you just are parroting "bOTh SiDEs ACtuaLly" and throwing around insults

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Realistically it would take so much time, energy, effort, resources, dealing with trolls, probably way more i can't even think of. But it's so easy to just angrily post online. 100%. And even if a few of us tries to organize, it would be gatekept and fall to infighting. It's why there are no real libertarian candidates, they all gatekeep people "who arent REAL libertarians".

    It would take an unbelievable amount of resources and sacrifice to even come close to competing with either major party. Not to mention the probable assassination attempts. It's not that "both sides are the same", one is clearly worse than the other. But neither are what's best for the country moving forward.

    Which reminds me Andrew Yang tried creating the "Forward Party" but it never gained traction. And he spent more than all of the people in this comment section probably have combined to try it. Now I think he sells smartphones or something idk.

    People are stressed and depressed and yearn for something truly different. Which is understandable. There's just no action that follows and that's what makes it an "armchair revolution". People still don't want to die, deep down they hope some external thing will come to the rescue. Except there never will be.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Point to exactly where I said dont vote, go through all my post and comment history if you need to.

    There are no bOTh SiDEs if there is only one side that sides with capital

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    We, the rest of the world totally approve of that result.
    Would like nothing more than the cancer to eat itself.
    But I am not buying that puppet show for one second.
    'unhinged' Trump is an act.
    Controlled by the powers that own both sides of their uniparty. He can get away with a lot.
    In 2 years some Dem will be in charge and of course apologize to their vassal states but will be 'powerless' to reverse his actions.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago*

    I know it's a puppet show, and I ran for office.

    You should do so, too. Then... you'll learn it's a puppet show quickly, like I did.

    The plan? Do what you can. Don't expect anyone else to give you "a plan". That's what got you here.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Expect many similar responses from Americans who are somehow so astoundingly thick they can't comprehend that holding politicians accountable can be accomplished by means beyond simply not voting. The false dichotomy is blazingly obvious, but their indoctrination runs as deep as their defensiveness is strong so they default to this, their favorite straw man, lest their simplistic worldviews be challenged.

    This paucity of critical thought is a direct result of the compounding effects of decades of poor education. The US is cooked unless its citizens stop treating everyday politics like a cross between sports and religion.

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago

    I really prefer black text on white background studies show you absorb information better so not voting for fascism light is like endorsing misinformation do you want me to read something wrong and go to a concentration camp when its time for me to go to a death camp and waste a bunch of time and resources huh do you

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    • [–] 46 points 5 months ago (22 children)

    Is this more 'both sides the same' nonsense?

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (19 children)

    Do we think dems will save us? Let's say a huge blue wave happens. A Democrat wins every election for the next 2 years. What would they do?

    What have they done so far? Ofc I'll vote dem but thinking they will be the ones to save us will only lead to disappointment.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Nope, unless we get involved in the primaries and push for proper progressives like Mamdani. Candidates without AIPAC or super PAC money. unless we vote for them in the primaries, then dems will just keep screwing us.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I think it's not that "the dems" will save us, but that the structural flaws of our system mean that progressives getting into power at the federal level need to do so by winning democrat primaries.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    That's fair, probably the most effective course of action at the moment. That's how the Leaders We Deserve PAC is operating I believe. Still within the two party system getting people to vote and running as democrats.

    I guess when I say "dems" I mean "establishment democrats". Like Biden, Kamala, Clinton etc.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 5 months ago

    They will keep everything that Trump has implemented in place, the 1% will continue to get richer while we get poorer. We will still be at a constant state of war. Like Biden and politicians have said throughout time, nothing will fundamentally change

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    The ACA was better than nothing

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    I'll take that as a "yes". Thanks for your participation, in the discussion. @K1nsey6@lemmy.world & @AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world So what's your plan? Are you expecting to initiate change by whining on federated social media? Just askin'.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Theres an actual document called What Is To Be Done. You might want to check it out instead of asking for other people to do your work.

    Whenever a liberal asks, what is the plan? They do that as a thought terminating question because they don't want to hear what the plan is unless it involves their party

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Ah, and so you reference a PDF from 1902 (https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/download/what-itd.pdf) link not provided because you assume I won't bother to look for your reference. Lenin knew, given the magickal crystal ball he possessed, all the way back in 1902 what was going to happen 124 years later? smh. Who is trying to terminate discussion? It seems to be you.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    The basic principles have not changed and neither have the parties.

    And like I said we are not doing the work for you

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago

    You are not doing the work yourself. Referencing a document from 1902, not explaining how it is relevant 124 years later, and not describing anything actionable leads to an inevitable conclusion that you only express these things to feel better about yourself without making a material impact. You have had dozens of replies in this post to explain yourself and you haven't come close.

    It doesn't matter if you think you shouldn't do the work for other people. You can't even describe your own point of view.

    You can piss on other people, but after being prompted time and again to explain why your view is better you have not. Plain and simple.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    It's always the libs crying on social media suffering the consequences of their own inaction by voting for the lesser evil and attempting nothing.

    Maybe cut the snark, when the problem has already been accurately described in 1870 and you embarrassingly are still in that situation and continuing the clown show that is your 'politics'

    • Nowhere do "politicians" form a more separate, powerful section of the nation than in North America. There, each of the two great parties which alternately succeed each other in power is itself in turn controlled by people who make a business of politics, who speculate on seats in the legislative assemblies of the Union as well as of the separate states, or who make a living by carrying on agitation for their party and on its victory are rewarded with positions. It is well known that the Americans have been striving for 30 years to shake off this yoke, which has become intolerable, and that in spite of all they can do they continue to stink ever deeper in this swamp of corruption. It is precisely in America that we see best how there takes place this process of the state power making itself independent in relation to society, whose mere instrument it was originally intended to be. Here there exists no dynasty, no nobility, no standing army, beyond the few men keeping watch on the Indians, no bureaucracy with permanent posts or the right to pensions. and nevertheless we find here two great gangs of political speculators, who alternately take possession of the state power and exploit it by the most corrupt means and for the most corrupt ends -- and the nation is powerless against these two great cartels of politicians, who are ostensibly its servants, but in reality exploit and plunder it.*
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    • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    An elephant and a donkey fight in a puppet show and the crowd cheers for one or the other because one of them is going to decide how good your future is. And when people start to notice their life is getting harder for working people most of the time, they're told they can stop the decline by cheering louder for the puppet that's not currently in power.

    The reality today is one of those puppets is going to be in control. Would you like the one that tries to clean the wounds and put on bandaids or the one that keeps playing with knives?

    You can sit at the puppet show quietly, but whether or not you cheer, they're going to pick a winner. If you want to leave this circus you better hope the puppet that is open to the idea of changing how we pick a winner starts winning a lot.

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    If you are paying attention none of our lives are getting easier. The one you are trying to claim is applying bandaids and attending the wound are the ones that caused the cut.

    You don’t stick a knife in a man’s back 9 inches and pull it out 6 inches and say you are making progress. If you stick a knife in my back 9 inches and pull it out 6 inches, there’s no progress. If you pull it out all the way, then that’s still not progress. Progress is healing the wound that the blow made. And they haven’t pulled the knife out, much less healed the wound. They won’t even admit the knife is there

    Malcolm X

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago

    So would you rather the knife be pulled out or would you like to be stabbed 20 more times? This both sides nonsense fucking reeks of being planned opposition, especially with how you treat posting about it like it's your fucking job. Were it just a random account saying this, I wouldn't even think to make that assumption, but I see you here all the time beating the same shitty drum.

    Like, is your entire personality just stirring up shit with "edgy" takes on Western society. Wake up, have your coffee, and immediately flock to the keyboard to talk about how much imperialism sucks and how everyone that lives in it sucks (except of course for you, the special little boy)

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