I would also like "turn" please
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Hitting the gas in an EV is like filming with a digital camera.
no telemetry
In 2026?

On a broader note, this is a failure of capitalism in which products can never be perfected.
There are sooo many technologies that we fully figured out years ago but they can’t just make it optimal and move on.
This is why we have washing machines using internet for whatever reason.
The flip side is the kind of stagnation where you get a soviet-era hunk of junk that's still in operation, but horribly inefficient.
Associating the soviet union, which before china was the fastest country to ever industrialize, modernize, and innovate past its competition, with stagnation is kinda wild.
They won the space race with 1/10th the budget and more efficient rocket motors. If they saw computers for what the actual potential was like Chile did with project cybersyn, the wall wouldn't have fallen and a lot of countries would be speaking Russian right now.
I wouldn't really take the soviet union as example for the flip side tbh
I bought the Kona (2024) and it's the best car I could ask for. It has some smart things of course, but I have no subscriptions, no phone requirement, I mostly just listen to FM radio. It's been the best car I've ever owned.
Features look nice. I guess I'm just gonna have to get over my "crossover" hate and buy a car that looks like a low-top roller skate lol. Was hoping the industry would have moved on from that unfortunate design by now.
We tried to find a small EV everywhere. Bolt was sluggish and had weird controls, leat just hasn't been updated in 10 years, and so we landed on the kona. Definitely larger than we wanted, but batteries are big. At least worth a test drive I'd suggest
I had the opposite experience between the bolt and the Kona! The smaller bolt is a bit faster and I found drove more on the car side of the car/SUV split than the kona, and while the button placement took getting used to it has one for almost everything. We also bought while the tax credits were in effect so it was $10k cheaper for 4 miles less range.
Yup, pretty much. Those were the only three "small" versions, everything else was giant SUV sized.
leat just hasn't been updated in 10 years
I thought I read the Leaf got a fairly big update recently. I'll have to check on that when I have some time.
I think that was this year, so in 2024 it was super outdated but it's better now. I think it's also a crossover now unfortunately
I was searching a few years ago, so makes sense they'd update it right after I got mine
makes sense they'd update it right after I got mine
That's how my life works too haha.
And also why I'm so hesitant to settle for a body style I dislike (seriously, crossovers: be a sedan, be an SUV, or be a station wagon; trying to be all 3 is just failing at everything...but I digress lol). As soon as I settle and buy one, I just know they'll bring back sedans.
I would have loved a sedan, but none exist here. I figured that hopefully by buying a Kona it would show that at least one american is buying the smallest car he apparently can. It was a good tradeoff.
As for sedans making a comeback, I doubt it. Sadly, I think the industry has firmly moved away from them.
There have been three generations of leaf, updated 2017 and 2025. Now 225 miles range with active temp control for battery.
Nissan has sold over 650,000 leaves.
The leaf JUST got updated finally after they made the Ariya (much bigger, already discontinued because it wasn’t profitable enough.)
But yeah I think if anyone wants ANY new car without any of those features, good luck. You’re required to have a screen for a backup camera for anything since I think 2012? So there’s gonna at minimum be something.
I like my Kia EV6. We were in the market for an EV and test drove all of the ones we could try. I liked the KIA because it had a lot of physical buttons for my regular things. There's no real subscriptions except for things we don't use. There's a touchscreen for a lot but I can get by without using it mostly
Yeah, I've been watching that. It is supposed to start fulfilling orders this year (last I read anyway), but it'll be at least next year before I can probably look into one. And even then, I'd want to let some other/braver people test them out for reliability and repair-ability.
Backed by amazon? LOL if you think it won't still have a cellular radio and full tracking suite installed.
Slate has stated that they will not have a cellular or other type of connection. It does need some type of connection to do software updates, and that will be from your phone using their app to the truck via USB.
They've also stated they won't track your driving data. You can opt in to share data about the truck's health through the app for servicing purposes, but that's all. They've also promised not to sell any kind of data to third parties.
That could always change, but I'm on the wait list for one and there are people on the slate forums who are serious about privacy and are watching this and seem pretty happy for now.
Software updates via the phone app 😒
That's better than ICE cars having to go to the dealer to update their software, which is the current industry standard.
I don't recall the last time my Saturn Ion needed a software update
Given they stopped making them before smart phones were a thing I imagine not, but that's also why your SiriusXM no longer works if you're not a brokie and got a level 3 trim.
There's a reason I said 'current industry standard,' things from almost the last century barely qualify as vehicles by modern standards, and your car couldn't pass a safety inspect for sale in almost any country today.
Think I'd be driving a car that's old enough to smoke if I wasn't a brokie?
I was more poking fun at the idea of a car needing software updates in general. It's like a toaster or a television needing an update. It's a machine that should be able to perform its functions entirely offline
Pretending that any software is 100% accurate in a capitalist setting is a ridiculous thing to do; and every television and car since the 1970s has some software involved.
With cars it generally works well enough long enough in enough cases that that direct ECU or other computer patching isn't needed, because who cares if you have a misfire in every 100,000 cycles as long as the car still runs.
I was originally referring to the same thing in ICE cars that are in EVs, i.e. the infotainment and gauge display systems which are the majority of software updates in either case study, but let's not pretend this is the 1950s for ICE cars; yes your ECU on your shitbox probably does legitimately have a software update that has better tuning, especially if the same engine was used in two separate production years. Guess what they updated to get more performance despite it having the same engine in order to justify the next year release? The fucking software. Also many recalls are software based these days for all the things that aren't directly mechanical, like airbag, or lane assist, or backup cameras, or fuel systems, or the ABS controller. All of those things will inevitably have a software flaw. All of those things can be updated, and are updated at least once during the production cycle if only to add additional hardware support when new hardware is swapped into the same model.
EVs, because they are so much more simple than ICE cars in every single possible way, lean harder on software since that's the only thing that can really be effectively separated into distinct packages and models until solid state batteries come about.
Slate is the 2nd best choice rn.
First best is buying an older car for cheap and spending some money to repair/upgrade
I'm quite excited for the Slate to be released. Electric truck, optional SUV conversion, decent price, minimum frills, customize it yourself if that's your thing. That sounds so much better than wheeled tank with built-in privacy concerns.
Cars also need to be smaller for the sustainable transition. We need to disconnect ego from car. Consider it's spending about 95% of its life parked.
I don't like the idea of not having a decent screen for Carplay but I think the upside of this one compared to many other vehicles is that it won't depreciate as badly. No infotainment to go out of date, etc.
And it's only $20,000...$25000...$30000. soon I'll have one parked next to my Aptera, and Tesla Roadster.
One of the most appealing things about Slate motors is that they seem to lack all the telemetry bullshit.
The least appealing thing about them is that Jeff Bezos is a primary investor.
I'm skeptical they'll actually come with no telemetry or other forms of anti-features. The investors, like Bezos, will likely push for it. They have a new CEO, who comes from Amazon. There is a federal mandate for all US vehicles to come with driver monitoring technology starting in 2027.
Yeah, I am skeptical about it too. We will have to wait and see I guess.
I'm also wondering how they are going to deal with the requirement for all new cars after 2018 to have a backup camera/screen. Maybe it will just go through the tiny little screen behind the steering wheel?
Edit: I just looked it up. Seems the backup camera will go through the instrument panel screen.
Gas?
Accelerator!
From my point of view the steering wheel and brake pedal are accelerators as well.
Steering. You also want steering.
Heated seats are a must if you drive anywhere that gets cold. Saves you a lot of miles. Backup cams are mandated on cars in the US now, and if you're gonna have a screen, you should probably include some navigation so the car can pre-condition the battery before you get to a charger.
Well, if you're gonna do those (pretty necessary IMHO) QoL concessions, you might as well give the user the option to integrate it with their phone, so they don't have to wonder if the car got enough charge, or if some asshole yanked out the plug. If you're reporting that info to the phone, you can include some controls to start/stop charging or set certian charging targets for certain charging stations. If you're including controls, you might as well piggyback some basic lock, unlock, pop trunk features to the phone, and if you're already letting the phone unlock the car, you can pretty easily include proximity unlocking. Since you've got a data connection to the phone, you can stream music and data from the car to the phone and vis-versa. You could put in another screen and physical controls for managing the music, but you already have one in the car for the rear cameras anyway, so why not just integrate the whole damn thing and now we're at most modern features of EVs, minus the goofy handles and driver automation.
Manual Gears (5 speed)!
Do EVs even have transmissions? I ask this legitimately, I know shit for dick about cars beyond how to change oil
They have one drive reduction gear, just one speed, no shifting.
I'm gonna have to ask what that means. Cars are just something my autism just does not comprehend
Internal combustion engines are very picky about how fast they spin, since they get their power from burning fuel the rate at which fuel enters the cylinders to burn correlates strongly to the power they have available. And since each cycle of a cylinder burns about the same amount of fuel the faster the engine spins the more power it generates.
This is why internal combustion engine vehicles have gearboxes (transmission in the US?) to ensure that you can spin the engine fast even while the wheels are slow) or stopped) so you have enough power to start the car.
Electric motors by contrast generate power through the strength of their electromagnetic fields, which is just how much current gets pushed through the electromagnets. How fast the motor spins just changes how fast the electronics have to "move" the generated field without changing the strength, so you get similar power even at slow speeds.
So electric motors have enough torque at low speed that you can start your car without needing a gearbox.
Note: this post is a gross simplification and probably mis-uses some terminology but it should give a general understanding of why the transmissions are different.
I’d honestly love this. I don’t even care if the stick doesn’t actually switch gears and it can just give me fake engine rev sounds. I just miss driving manual and paddle shifters just aren’t the same.
The Hyundai Ioniq 5 N wowed the cartubers crowd back in 2024/25 because it simulated a lot of the driving feel of gas cars.
Maybe keep an eye on Hyundai.
Edit: although I don't think they have simulated stick shifting
They were doing paddle shifters in the Ioniq. Toyota was working on a car with a six speed shifter and a clutch. I don’t even care if it’s simulated shifting, I’d still get one.
This article is from 2023, but it has more info on it. The manual transmission from Toyota is expected to go to production this year I think.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a45754176/toyota-manual-ev-prototype-drive/
I don't know why they turned their station wagon into a sports EV, and then waited like 3 years to do it with their sedan.
There are no gears on an EV. They just go.
And a cool loud exhaust to attract women.
No f off with manual gears. They are unnecessary and make driving complicated. I hat that in my country manual gear cars are the norm, especially for compact cars. That limits massively the options I have if I'm looking to change my car and also makes me comparatively pay more. Prolly one of the very few things the US has done right, namely the proliferation of cars with automatic gears. It is just so freakin more comfortable to drive an automatic than it is a manual, especially for driving within cities.
Gas, you say? Are you sure?
How do they generate electricity where you come from?
Mostly coal in the US
Is that where they come from? Because anyone with a wrinkly organ in their skull knows that EV is just gas with extra st3ps
The amount of electricity generated by renewables an ICE car can use is always 0%. That is not true for EVs.
But like a lot more efficient to burn it in a power plant than millions/billions car engines that don't capture the energy well anyways. And then at least renewables can be used in the power grid as well.
Ok. How well does that work with aging electrical infrastructure in places like Boston or Milan?
I mean, like, I totally get you vibing.




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