Whatever the last one in the room said to this clown is what sticks in his addled mush brain. Of course he's all about how "great Xi is and how tall".
A few days with his flock of asslickers and he will be back to China Bad. Just watch.
Whatever the last one in the room said to this clown is what sticks in his addled mush brain. Of course he's all about how "great Xi is and how tall".
A few days with his flock of asslickers and he will be back to China Bad. Just watch.
What a fucking pussy
He then goes for a meeting in Taiwan and after receiving a golden Big Mac declares Taiwan should be sovereign
Nah, a cheque or large buy of trump/melania coin or a tacky 'gold' trophy would do it too.
Simply being the most recent person to talk to Trump is enough. Maybe tomorrow Trump will talk with the president of Taiwan and have the opposite opinion afterward.
Have you seen him after the talks? He looked completely defeated. They have something on him. Probably pedo stuff.
No Chinese on the Epstein list, they probably don't have it, unlike Putin. What they do have however, is a blank cheque.
probably don’t have it
Putin would give it to Xi for a bottle of Grange and an oil contract
[Trump] added: "I'm going to say I have to speak to the person that right now is, you know, you know who he is, that's running Taiwan."
How is he so completely unprepared?
What the advantage of Taiwan declating official independence? On the ground it is already.
This is literally the most popular position of the people of Taiwan. Despite what western media tries to portray, Taiwan doesn't want to become the next Ukraine. The overwhelming majority of Taiwanese people are not looking to make their home into an aircraft carrier for American fighter jets. Or become the ground for the next world powers proxy war.
Trump isn't "warning" them. He's literally just stating the obvious. Taiwan wants to remain in its current position and not escalate any conflict. Staying with the status quo is what has been the majority position of Taiwanese people for decades.
relevant domestic opinion polls: https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7801&id=6963
Thank you. This is the data my brain was remembering. Appreciate the source comrade.
So, the polls say move towards independence, or at least keep status quo
33.5 + 26.3 + 6.1 + 1.1 = 67.0
I know math is hard. But this is basic arithmetic. 67% of the population responded with no interest in independence at all. Since my original comment was about "independence vs. status quo" that means (excluding the non response data of 6.6%) you have 67% favoring status quo over the data even leaning towards independence at 21.9 + 4.4 = 26.3%.
Now I grouped "status quo and decide at a later date" with status quo. So, I'll argue for your case. So for your own arguments sake I'll steelman you as that data being "unknown". It's the middleground take. I think that's the only fair steelman. Since they already responded with "status quo". But, let's say that's just "undecided" people. For the sake of your argument.
That still leaves 67.0% - 26.3% = 40.7% of Taiwanese people preferring status quo OR unification. With only 26.3% preferring status quo OR independence.
I know it's hard to read graphs. But, wtf mate, how do you fuck that up so badly? It's just HARD status quo. You pretending that there is a large independence portion is just showing your own bias.
Again, my original comment wasn't about unification. It was about maintaining the status quo. Which the vast majority of Taiwanese people are in favor of in some form. 67% as of latest polls to be exact.
Edit: all my numbers are taken from the last part of the graph. Just to clarify.

Then that graph doesn't make sense or do we see different data?
Edit: so the top 3 want status quo, either indefinitely, decide later, or towards independence.
Moving towards unification is pretty much one of the lowest ones
yeah their point is that, as seen in the 2022 changes, the invasion of ukraine has made “maintain status quo forever” the most popular option—and made “status quo first and move towards independence” and “decide later” (which is leaving open the possibility of moving towards independence) trend downwards. nobody is disagreeing that unification has always been unpopular
it’s worthy of note that 33.5% against 23% means the latter (status quo and move towards independence) is still a substantially popular opinion, but the person you’re replying to is correct that maintain status quo indefinitely has an incredible plurality
Thanks. I'm glad someone can read a graph. It's amazing to me how much American idiots become "war with China" if suddenly the other team (party) says we shouldn't.
I swear liberals would say the Korean, Vietnam, of Iraq invasions were justified if Trump suddenly said they were bad.
They have no actual moral compass or understanding of history that guides them. They are reacting to shapes and colors and can't even remove their bias when reading a graph.
They just don’t want to die. They’ll go with whatever that will mean.
Donnie bends the knee.
Good news Taiwan wasn't planning that. Seriously current mood is maintaining the defacto independence.
Shh you'll ruin the entire neoliberal western narrative that has caused the populations of the US and Europe to constantly disparage the single most advanced form of government proven so far. If they cannot fear monger about China being evil bloodthristy imperialists wanting to take Taiwan or propagandize Taiwan as being brave independent freedom fighters then all the other hundreds of billions of dollars in propaganda through hundreds of outlets in more than two dozen countries including extensive terror campaigns, the wholesale creation of several cults, and the world's most extensive propaganda NGO in world history would all be for nothing.
They really don't understand they're the bad guys and not China, and it'd break their little hearts to find out China got that big without doing all the evil shit they did.
Cool cool, Tibet and forced sterilisations.
You do realize that China literally considers Taiwan a province in rebellion right? Or did you think that the mainland actually was giving formal recognition to it's independence this whole time.
Cool so how about closing all those bases in Asia because you don’t need them now.
America helps russia... now cossies up to china. What on earth is happening.
The capitalists have no loyalists to any nation. They will betray and strip the US of all of its natural resources to sell to China if it meant more profit (as they've done to every other nation)
Why would they declare independence
They are already a globally recognized independent country
Because Trump finished high school before the Chinese Cultural Revolution, and has been called by one of his college professors the dumbest student be has ever taught.
Add in dementia and I really believe Trump has no idea what Taiwan is apart from a word he recognizes and, with preparation, can barely distinguish from Thailand.
Unfortunately not. More countries recognize Palestine than Taiwan, even though Taiwan more clearly is an actual country.
I think almost all countries recognize Taiwan including the US
Sadly no. There are only 11 countries that have official relations with Taiwan. Almost all other countries either clearly think it's a part of China, or have an ambiguous position towards it. Most western countries are in that last group.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Taiwan
And as comparison:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Palestine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Israel
Taiwan says is an 'independent' nation, after Trump's warning
Looking at their post history, OP is what is called a 'ziganwu', right?
The separation was encouraged and kept by the Burgers ("unsinkable carrier" as MacArthur said) but the times are changing.
Trump would be an idiot not to defend Taiwan. Ok, realistically we already know that he is one and it wouldn't be a surprise if he decided not to, but his whole obsession with AI would be immediately contradicted by his unwillingness to defend the people making the hardware for it.
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