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[+] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

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[–] Denjin@lemmings.world 12 points 1 year ago

This comment can see you arrested for expressing support of a proscribed terrorist organisation. This could have you jailed for up to 6 months and/or a fine of up to £5,000

And that fact is fucking stupid.

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[–] leraje@piefed.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago (8 children)

They did wrong by breaking into an RAF base though

Hardly a terrorist action though is it? Breaking in to throw around some red paint.

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[–] Denjin@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago

It does fall under the (completely bullshit) definition of an act of terrorism though.

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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

Come on, "throwing around red paint" is quite misleading, no?

They poured it into the engines of multiple RAF jets, destroying those engines. That's several million in damages, and a lot of downtime.

And legally speaking, it absolutely was a terrorist act.

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[–] scratchee@feddit.uk 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I really think we need to distinguish between terrorism in the sense of “are they going to keep blowing people up?” and “terrorism” in the sense of “are my taxes going to go up because of this?” I feel like the word is being stretched for the second example…

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

Yeah what they did was excessive vandalism. Not terrorism not unless it's the first move in a long strategy although if it is, it's a pretty dumb one since they've all been arrested.

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[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago*

I would imagine that an incompetent barrister wouldn't have much difficulty arguing that actively sabotaging military equipment is, and has been for centuries, treason against the crown.

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[–] leraje@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It is now - but yeah my heart bleeds for those poor RAF jets, they're definitely what's important here, not making the word 'terrorist' a meaningless empty word that can be used to justify anything at all.

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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Of course defence is important. How separated from reality are you for you to think it isn't?

Sabotaging UK defence is obviously a bad thing, and it shouldn't be taken lightly.

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[–] leraje@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago

You might personally think defence trumps all other things - I don't. Its clearly not unimportant (and I never suggested it was) but defence is, we're told, something we use to protect our way of life and our way of life includes not being called a terrorist for doing something which very obviously is not an act of terrorism.

All forms of protest are under a sustained attack in the UK right now and this is just another extension of that. Sabotaging reality to exert control over a populace is obviously a very much worse thing.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 0 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

They absolutely did, but the problem is that what they did in order to protest was a crime. A pretty big crime too, frankly they're lucky they didn't get shot.

I have absolutely no idea how those geniuses thought that this would be a good tactic.

I fully support their objectives, and I think it's ridiculous to call them terrorists, but what they did was beyond moronic.

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[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 point 1 year ago

Their organisiation’s US leader is fond of spouting pro-Kremlin anti-Ukrainian nonsense. Maybe they were used as useful idiots by Putin.

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[–] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

Well, sometimes you have to commit a crime to protest an even bigger crime - warcrimes like genocide. The UK already is a surveillance police state. If they declare even protesting against genocide a crime, then so be it!

In that light, the removal of my comment appears unwarranted. For anyone curious (or whoever reported it), if I recall correctly, it expressed support for PA.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago*

The problem is what they did didn't really have any meaning. They haven't really roused the public with their action, in fact their subsequent arrest has been more impactful for their cause than the actual action, and I can't imagine that was envisioned as a predicted outcome.

What they did was actually unhelpful because it allowed the government to label them as terrorists and therefore ignore them. Sticking to protests and writing to MPs and just making a general stink about things would, in the long run, have been more helpful because it would have never given them something that they could use as a stick to beat people with when they complained.

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

Saboteurs of the Holocaust were criminals. Nazis were following the law.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 point 1 year ago

I cannot see how you could ever have a situation where deliberately damaging military aircraft would be legal. I'm not sure what you're advocating for, changing of the law so that they're allowed to commit acts of extreme vandalism because they feel rightfully justified? How would that work?

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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Classic UK. Always trying to one up even the US in its dystopian fascism slide.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Who do you think the US learned dystopia and imperialism from? We were part of the kingdom before we were a nation afterall.

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[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Now, now. We might have learned the first inklings of it from our national ancestor, but the US has crafted its own awful brand of fascism all on its own. The blame is ours for that, and we must own it.

If anything, the British wealth class is taking notes from the US oligarchs, and these are the results.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Oh for sure, I'm just saying that one should never be surprised that the UK is trying compete in the fascist olympics given that they held the title of grand champion for so long.

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[–] raman_klogius@ani.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

It's home to Airstrip One after all

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[–] Sideshow_B00b@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

Back to work Winston, or I’ll call Ministry of Love

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[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 year ago*

This is why, as a legal principle, freedom of speech can't be contingent on things like the subjective definition of terrorism. Governments must be prohibited from shutting up protestors.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 year ago

I support palestinian action in minecraft.

Hatsune Miku supports the freedom of the people off Gaza.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Last week, our home secretary joined other female Labour MPs in a photoshoot celebrating the suffragettes, who planted bombs, burned down private homes and smashed up art galleries. They then voted to classify a movement which positions itself as opposing violence against people as a terrorist organisation.

Spot on.