Ashley MacIsaac, who is seeking $1.5m in civil lawsuit, says inaccurate information led to concert cancellation

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[–] 44 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

Ah, the ole' fiddler/diddler switcheroo.

The Diddler on the Roof does sound like it'd make for a captivating musical though. Shades of The Nightman Cometh.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    In British and Australian slang at the very least, "k*ddie fiddler" is a legitimate euphemism for, well, you know.

    Would not be surprised if that's somewhere at the root of the miscategorisation.

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  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago

    Google:

    "No need to sue us. Mr Maclsaac was listed in Google search as a sex offender, but wasn't actually on the sex offender registry. But no worry, we've fixed the problem! We have several government records contracts. Our LLM simply corrected the record and added Ashley to the sex offender registry. The error has been resolved."

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago

    Guitarists are often fingering a minor

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It's a common misconception about fiddlers. It's actually saxophonists.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Buttle, Tuttle. Fiddler, diddler.

    These things happen with AI.

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    [–] 100 points 6 months ago

    Google’s AI Overview about MacIsaac now includes the statement: “In late 2025 and 2026, he made headlines for taking legal action against Google.”

    lmao fuck off google.

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  • [–] 60 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Now they will accuse random people, to draw attention away from the pedo in chief.

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  • [–] 74 points 6 months ago (12 children)

    Got mixed up with his brother: Canadian Diddler

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Oh brother! I'm giving you the upvote, but I don't like it

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    is it only the uk that calls child abusers kiddy fiddlers hence the lingual confusion?

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Don't wanna be a Canadian diddler

    🎸🎶

    Mixed him up with his brother, the fiddler

    🎸🎶

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Cause one thing was just not his style

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    And that was being a pdf file

    🎸🎶

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Welcome to a new kind of tension

    All across the maple leaf nation

    Where musicians are slanderd by the claaaaankers

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    Diddler fiddler, what's the difference

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    Fiddler on the bench.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    Only $1.5 million? That's peanuts, especially to Google and especially for such heinous defamation. It should be for at least 100 million.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Internet companies have become way too used to hiding behind Section 230 of the Communications Act which allows them to say that anything on their sites was created by a user, not by them, and therefore they're not liable. This made sense when the Internet was just chronological forums and there was no way for the operator to know that something defamatory or illegal had been posted.

    They've managed to maintain that fiction, even when hand-picking content they want to show. Now they have algorithms that scan all the content people post, even videos, decide which content is going to generate the most views, clicks and engagement, and choose to prioritize that content, even if it is illegal.

    But, now, with AI, they're actually the ones generating that content. There's no user to hide behind anymore. Let's hope that the courts say that section 230 doesn't protect them here and that they're liable for all false claims made with AI, just as they'd be liable if it were an employee or the boss who posted it.

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  • [+] -22 points 6 months ago (10 children)
  • [–] 45 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Yeah, corpo AI error bullshit potentially ruining your life and livelihood, totally hilarious.

    /s

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

    Kinda reminds me of the fiasco with that Markiplier stream a few years ago.

    Something happened with some emoji iirc, where if you reacted to something in the stream chat with said emoji Google used to have some sort of hidden bullshit policy where you couldn't "spam" emojis in stream chats (and that's what Mark was using as a voting method during his stream), because it triggered something in Google's automation that would flag your Google account (the ENTIRE FUCKING THING) as going against TOS and deleted/suspended indefinitely the whole account. Like, thousands of people's personal email accounts were just locked down with no way for the users to get into it. Mark had to make an entire separate video calling out YouTube/Google for being such fucking idiots and taking their sweet goddamn time trying to fix it.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Do we know what the emoji was?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    From my googling, it wasn't a specific emoji, but the fact that people were posting multiple in a row in a single message

    Which is still utterly fucking stupid.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Yeah that’s dumb as hell, talk about disconnected. There are all kinds of slang and folks tend to emoji in response to emoji.

    When it’s not every third word I don’t find it as annoying, just string them all at the end or say something cryptic like 👴🏼🐌📸🌱♥️

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    [–] 45 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Sue for more than $1.5M bro

    Sue for $1T.

    Fuck em. Be as egregious as them.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    At least in the US, you file suit for the maximum damage for every claim you make. Awards can (and usually are) be reduced from that, but cannot be increased beyond that. It's unclear where he filed the lawsuit, so this may not apply here. I'm sure the $500k for each claim is the maximum allowed given the allegations.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Definitely top tier strategy going in and pissing off a judge for what amounts to be a simple lible case that would normally just get you a retraction. Top legal minds don't want you to know this one trick.

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Not sure if this is wider than the UK, but the word "fiddler" is often used here to describe someone who sexually assaults children. AI may well have decided this to be the case here.

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  • [–] 41 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    AI didn't decide squat, it's auto completing text which is what leads to these kinds of mix ups.

    Which is an argument to shut down chatbots down until they do an actual AI capable of understanding the semantics of the text.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I agree a AI Language model that cannot understand context, region or colloquialism is pretty low standard.

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago

    It bears repeating thatLLMs are unable to "understand" anything at all. They are not knowledge knoledge-based. Instead they auto complete based on the word probabilities that are found in the text they were trained with

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  • [+] -6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    It does. Just not regional shit it hasn't been trained on as much.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    It does not.

    It uses probability to predict words that belong near the other words in your prompt. It's a more powerful version of the suggested words at the top of your phone keyboard.

    You could write a sentence or two using that, but it will quickly descend into gibberish.

    It does not "understand" what you wrote in any way. It just has a heuristic that shows the word "Mom" comes after the word "Your" with a high frequency, so that's what it's going to output.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    This is way beyond a bit of regional language differences.

    Google’s AI Overview also wrongly stated that MacIsaac had been listed on the national sex offender registry for life, the lawsuit says.

    My guess is that someone with a similar name is on that list, and the LLM confidently presented them as the same person.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    Did the AI get the wrong end of the stick because of the word "fiddler"?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

    Mr MacIsaac had similar slander before, like 20 years ago. I would not be surprised to find that lie fed this one.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I'm not sure it was slander? I think he admitted to a relationship with a younger guy (like 20?) while Ashley was in his 30's. It was kinda scandalous at the time, but I think it was as much the surprise that he was gay.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Hell Canadian "scandals" back in the day were and still fairly tame.

    I remember when the fact the "Barenaked Ladies" simply being called "The Barenaked Ladies" was incredibly scandalous here in Canada. Or the fact Alanis Morrisette cussed on her ablum.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    He'll get a correction and maybe a few bucks. Shit happens all the fucking time with journalism.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (5 children)
    1. This wasn't journalism.

    2. This does not happen all the time with journalism.

    3. A correction doesn't fix this. Unlike with actual journalism, the problem is with the AI and not with a specific output.

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  • [+] -18 points 6 months ago (4 children)
    1. Doesn't matter. Same legal concept.
    2. 👌
    3. Yes, retaining and providing guided training data can absolutely reduce the problem to a trivial error rate that is just as bad as traditional search when dealing with a shitty input.

    You people say the dumbest shit just 'because ai'.

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    [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    So google misheard that he was a diddler… instead of a fiddler…

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    If you think Google's is bad, wait till you hear about the one the dbzer0 instance admins and mods are running on random people on the fediverse...

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    I mean, it's not like I trust Google, but I trust random "anarchists" even less.

    If you're cool with it, then you're cool with it.

    But it's relevant

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    "it's not like I trust a multi billion dollar corporation that's actively been busy enshittifying the whole internet first and now the whole world, but I trust a group of random people who run a Lemmy instance even less"

    that's either bait or stupid.

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    [–] 27 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I hope he wins the lawsuit and Google has to pay him millions in damages.

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    [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    Fiddler, Google. With an F.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Wrong Canadian musician, Google. You were thinking of Drake

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  • Lemme guess... They called him a diddler?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Wikipedia had to deal with this same sort of thing with the biography of living persons policy after vandalism of John Seigenthaler's article included defamatory material in 2005. With many people coming to rely on AI summaries at least for first impressions, AI companies need to lose some lawsuits until they fix their software.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    Bummer for them since it can't be fixed. "Hallucinations" aren't an anomaly for LLMs, it's how they function. The algorithm makes everything up, all the time. It's only called out when it's obvious. To stop one of these chatbots from giving made-up information would fundamentally disable it.

    That said, they should absolutely be held accountable. They're pushing this shit as if it's a thinking, speaking human mind. They shouldn't get to wipe their hands of it when it causes harm.

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