Probably easier way of defeating pick pockets is to carry a decoy or purse wallet with a painful surprise in it.
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My wife and I were Honeymooning in Paris, purchasing subway passes from an automated kiosk, when a guy who was pretending to be really interested in his phone started getting uncomfortably close to her. She felt him touch her, so she elbowed him real hard, knocking the phone out of his hand, and yelling, "Oh no, are you OK, I'm so sorry, I broke your phone!" real loud (which was true, she cracked his screen). I don't think he was expecting a 5'2" woman to assault him, because he grabbed his broken phone and started booking it before I could react.
A very nice Parisian came over and told us we needed to be more careful and watch ouf for thieves. We thanked him, but my wife was laughing a few moments later because she just assumed he was a pervert. I thought maybe the phone screen had already been broken, and he was trying to run some sort of, "Hey, you broke my phone, give me money!" scam but chickened out when he saw how aggressively my wife reacted. We live in a major American city, so we've experienced crime before, but it never occurred to us that he was trying to pick her pocket. Felt almost quaint, like a Dickens novel.
I live in a tourist trap area of the US and got pick pocketed once shortly after moving here. So I am real cautious of strangers getting close. After doing the Pokemon go rounds one night some dude started following me, and the girl I was dating at the time, from the gas station. I come from a much more densely populated area of the US so I immediately recognized it as a threat, and told her to keep walking and I would catch up. I'll admit I was a little too aggressive given the situation, cause I saw a "come to jesus" moment in homie's eyes when he realized how big the dude he was stalking was(I'm easily two standard deviations to the right of bell curve in terms of largeness, but I'm also proportional so most don't realize it on sight).
I would say I felt bad, but after getting my walker taken and having to go through the bullshit involved, I wasn't about to take a chance. Funny thing is, the girl actually broke up with me cause of that incident and immediately got with a meth head who took her and her family for what they could.
This story, much like life, has no point other than keep your wallet in a very noticable area.
Edit: Walker=wallet, though i'm not far from a reliance on either.
It's weird moving to places where the relative danger of different crimes vary.
I grew up in a place where I was mugged at knife point a couple of times. It was a pretty socioeconomically deprived area where this wasn't normal, but it wasn't super abnormal either. One of the times I was mugged, I was in a pretty bad place with my mental health, and I said "if you want my phone, then just fucking stab me for it, because I don't give a fuck anymore". The guy mugging me seemed to recognise me as someone going through some shit, and became super sympathetic. He even asked me if there was anything he could do to help. A friend who was mugged (at knifepoint) in the same rough area one responded by saying "oh come off it, mate" and continuing walking. It's like there was a weird sense of solidarity, because we all knew we lived in a shit hole place with no prospects.
I later moved to a much safer city, where being out at night felt tremendously safe. Now, I live in a larger city, and none of my previously cultivated instincts for safety are the right fit. I know that I must be more cautious here than I was in the small, posh city I lived in, but also I feel that the kind of caution I need here is quite different to what was necessary in my home town. Without a calibrated sense of risk in this new city, I often find myself being overly cautious. I suppose that's a safer side of caution to err on.
You know what's funny? I got robbed at gunpoint in front of my house. I was wearing a knock off Ulysse Nardin watch, and they didn't even touch it. They got about $30 from the wallet before being arrested. And no, the cops never gave me my $30.
If I had my wallet stolen, the worst part of it would be having to renew id and stuff. It's a lot of faff
How do Europeans react to pickpockets?
I caught a pickpocket in Madrid with his hand in my girlfriend’s purse. He was directly behind us on the escalator. We just kind of were like “hey not cool,” then had an awkward escalator ride. We were late for a flight, so didn’t really have time to do much anyway.
I have had stuff stolen in Paris. Mostly, you have no idea it happened until they’re long gone.
You caught a man with his hand in your girlfriend's purse, and his punishment was a "hey, not cool" and 15 seconds of awkward escalator?
No fucking wonder that happens CONSTANTLY when an awkward 15 second escalator ride is the punishment for getting caught.
What do you suggest they should've done instead in that situation? Assault him and get arrested? Report him to the police or airport security and miss the flight while getting the bureaucratic run-around?
Cause a scene. Be obnoxious and in their face. You don't have to throw a punch to be scary.
Nah, I suggest they should try aggressively shitting their pants, synchronized with their girlfriend.
Surely the sound + smell will attract the authority figure they so need, and the situation will resolve itself quickly. Much more effective than a stern look!
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't average American scared to walk to church without a gun of there are 80 year old homeless people on the way?
I haven’t even seen a gun in years. You’re out of touch with reality.
I'm an American and I see guns literally every day. Are you not counting cops, security guards, and soldiers?
I have no reason to come into contact with cops, security guards, or soldiers on a regular basis. I can only assume your “literally” is facetious as well because literally every day is absurd.
And in the context of replying to someone making claims against the “average American” carrying guns, I think it’s appropriate to omit people carrying for work, yes.
Do you not see the guns on people carrying for work? I do in fact literally see guns every single day.
Do you not see the guns on people carrying for work?
I didn’t say I don’t see them, I said I would omit them. As in not count them. In direct response to your question.
I do in fact literally see guns every single day.
Literally every day? Literally every. Single. Day?
Even if there’s a cop on every street corner waving his gun in the air, you’ve never stayed home on a saturday? You’ve never gone camping? Never spent the day anywhere where there weren’t guns?
Ok so have you literally not seen a gun in years? Counting carrying for work?
I never dropped a literally.
I have no memory of seeing a gun in the last three years, but I make no claim to a perfect memory. Surely there were guns at the airport, but I didn’t particularly look at them or notice them.
But again, I am omitting people carrying for work, so I’m not sure why you are bringing it up a third time.
I've been in a situation like that. Street perfomance, many a people. Some guy bumped behind me. I somehow quickly noticed a lack of phone. I told my dad, soon as I realised. He went up to the guy, the guy was all like "eh, he dropped it" or whatever. Feels like they just be awkward
It usually isn't worth the time to call the police and wait for them while trying to retain the person(s). If the stolen value is under 400 euros they can only get a fine.
warn other people of their presence, publicly shame them
Not too surprised. Living in the US, giving a shit about the safety of owned property is pretty much the only thing you can count on.
Because replacing said property costs money, money they generally don’t have. Being poor in the US is a cruel hell and they don’t seem to plan on fixing it any time soon so violence it is.
Yep. Don't ever bother with de-escalation when you know no safety net will save you. You have to go all in, or you are left behind, or dead.
Not the world I like living in, but that's the world I'm currently living in. Hell, my father was robbed several times growing up, so he made sure to teach my sibling and I how to be wary and catch people in the act.
Yep. Don’t ever bother with de-escalation when you know no safety net will save you. You have to go all in, or you are left behind, or dead.
I love love love how everyone just assumes they will win these fights and they won't end up dead anyway trying to protect their pittance of property. What a fucking unhinged way to live.
Guess what, you don't always win just because you're in the right.
I certainly don't like the situation, but the amount of people who are chomping at the bit to attack others are far greater than those who don't want to. I would likely have to hand over everything if I had a gun pointed at me, but usually the best way to avoid that risk is to avoid being there. Staying away from crowds, either trying to bluff/strike/capitulate with those who try to attack you, or just not trusting anyone.
This is why bystander effect is a real issue when it comes to situations in the US where people are injured or need help - the risk of being robbed, defrauded, or sued means it's a far easier choice to keep moving and not think about those around you.
Property is more important than lives. Where else would people literally say they’d shoot someone for going on “their” land.
In the US, we have a phrase for the mindset you're describing:
"Fuck you, I got mine."
Not necessarily, but it's an easy way to describe our view of others in our society in general. Not much faith in our fellow humans.
Classic American, extending their personhood to the items they own. Get a grip, your wallet is not you and you're not defending yourself if it's stolen.
In another comment you talk about fascists taking over the world, yet here you are, spouting what a fascist would say in regards to private property, while a socialist would understand the difference between personal property and private property and understands the dangers of the latter. Get educated, schlub. You're spouting the kind of idiocy that enabled the fascists to take over.
Also I'm in my forties living with cancer in the USA where the treatments cost $18k a month without insurance. Dear god I only wish I had mommy and daddy taking care of me.
I don't know about you, but my wallet only holds plastic cards... All of which can be cancelled, replaced, and any money spent by the thief returned and restored. The only thing it takes up is a small amount of my personal time. So I really haven't lost anything at all. I don't know why you're so geared up to fuck someone up over such a small inconvenience.
sidenote, the reading of a thread on twitter is hellish. Top to bottom be damned, it's like 3 different UIs in one.
Especially if there's a little addon from Tumblr at the end of something.
why isnt the reddit type formatting good enough?!
As we say in the USA:
"The police don't protect us, we protect us"
There are 7 police officers in my town of 13k. We say "Sometimes there's justice and sometimes there's just us"
I mean sure, it do be like that but also my old roommate, who never locked his car and kept weed and his work tools in it overnight, every night, walked around our neighborhood with a pistol "looking" for the guys who stole the aforementioned tools and weed.
It happened 3 times....there's something wrong with alot of us
Did he think that gave him a legal precedent? Like isn't owning weed and a gun a felony in and of itself?
Edit: currently depends which federal court circuit's jurisdiction you fall under. Might get brought to the supreme court at some point? Either way there's legal precedent that makes that iffy. Which is fair. Weed should be legal, and despite this asshole, I trust stoners more than habitual drinkers or the GOP and their constituents.
Either way the guy was obviously a fuckin' issue, and was committing several other federal offenses lol.
Lol no he was just mad. And weed is legal in Cali. Guns are too but I'd be willing to be that one was street bought
In my jurisdiction, yes. Any drug offense combined with possessing a firearm is an automatic felony. Even if the drug offense by itself would have been a misdemeanor. It is a very bad idea, legally speaking.
I often find Americans abroad to be quite charming in how American they are. Certainly, there are some that are obnoxious (and even their friendliness can be obnoxiousness in a way), but it can be quite endearing; Americans (especially the ones you meet while travelling) are so outgoing, and they're so keen to make connections with people. Like, is it cringe when an American says "oh my great great grandfather was Scottish", as if makes any difference at all that they are 1/16 Scottish? Yeah, somewhat. But after a friend explained to me that she sees it as coming from a deep desire to connect with other people, I began to see it as quite sweet.
It's part of why I grieve for what's going on in America right now. "American-ness" is a messy, mixed concept, and it would be unreasonable to ignore how much of that concept is deeply problematic. However, I feel that there is goodness within that concept, and the people in power at the moment seem hell bent on destroying or undermining what goodness exists there.
Plenty of us are just entitled psychopaths who ate too much lead paint as children, but I think you are correct that the rest of us are looking for connections. We come from a place where our traditions are shallow and our heritage is mostly just awful. We are not only looking to connect, but we are also essentially a bunch of orphans trying to desperately figure out who we are and where we belong.
I know most other people find it obnoxious, so I never really bring it up, but I do, it's also an invitation to tell me more about who you are and where you come from.
As an (expat) American I have always felt a desire to connect with my heritage and experience the old world, despite never having the chance to. It feels crazy to me that people are overseas living where so much history played out, walking old streets past ancient walls and buildings, and often within a short journey to Neolithic sites and old ruins. There are quiet men herding sheep in a windswept field with mossy rock formations just chilling over there beside their prized lamb, Ollie. Americans removed themselves from all of that and over a couple of centuries it became something mythical and out of reach. We are essentially cut off from our own heritage, and are strangers to our own people, but we've been brought up in a culture that makes us quite alien to them when we do make the pilgrimage.
It's kind of a sad thing, but I've been away from America long enough to understand why Europeans are so put off. Even the most left-leaning Americans need a lot of de-programming. I know I did. Now when my mother visits I am hyper-aware of how different we have become.
There's no pickpocketing in the US because thieves will shoot you before taking your wallet. At that point it's murder with a motive
I was thinking it was because, in many places people are carrying in public, and if you steal from the wrong person, you're dead.
Yeah that's why crime has plummeted /s
Well, I imagine this culture change happened a long time ago, and it never came back because of... well the implication.
Change happened alright. The murder rate in my city rose 20% after the outgoing republican governor permitted conceal and carry by executive order on his way out the door after losing reelection (2007)
No, it is because pickpocketing can be argued as being an assault in the US. If you catch someone pickpocketing you it is legal to defend yourself and your property.
That is entirely dependent on the state you live in, and not all states have the same kind of interpretation.
Definitely. My city has a huge yearly street festival and the police stand on the roofs of buildings to watch for pickpockets. Each year we will see a few getting caught by the "victims", most of the time there will be four or five people beating on the thief by the time the police get there. All the police do is haul the pickpocket away. So it seems like a legal "gray area" where I am from.
...and that's why they start with maximum violence out of the bat. If for you as a criminal the outcome is the same, why risk it and start with random pickpocket, when you will be tried as if you assaulted a person, start with an assault, safer for you, same risk.
I am flabbergasted you think that a petty assault charge for pickpocketing is even in the same building as pre meditated murder with a lethal weapon.
The us is bad sure, but not the only nation with a similar system (I know here someone will take a swing at a pickpocketer) and yet the murder rate is not higher then average in the world.
Are you kidding me? US with has the worst rate of intentional homicide per capita in all the developed world by far. It has alsmost the same level as Russia, country actively waging a war with a neighbor, it's on par with Yemen for fucks sake. And that's just intentional, it doesn't even takes into account self-defense killing, negligent homicide, or assault with no intention to murder.
I was thinking the same thing. Try and pickpocket someone and get caught/punched and the thief might get a few months in jail. Going straight to assault/murder over a wallet is straight up crackhead mentality.
That's deep meth territory. Most around here doing crime to feed a habit most certainly stick to methods of theft that don't come with over 10 year sentences. Its been an increasing issue here the last decade but assaults have actually gone down in the same time period. Drugs smuggled up from the nation south of us has created more addicts but that does not make them murderers.
There is no pickpocket in america, people rather smash car windows.
If anyone deserves a good beating it's pickpockets.
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